RE: Uncertainty over EU ICE ban resolved
Discussion
Wab1974uk said:
It's coming. See the WEF Agenda 2030. There will be no meat. Not for us plebs anyway. Holland is trying to close down 3000 food producing farms. All in the name of climate change. They have been protesting in Holland for months.
New UK subsidies to farms will pay them `NOT` to produce food. They are trying to create food shortages. But worry not. Bill Gates is heavily invested in lab produced meat. Tasty.
https://tvpworld.com/64801898/netherlands-to-buy-u...
Who are They?New UK subsidies to farms will pay them `NOT` to produce food. They are trying to create food shortages. But worry not. Bill Gates is heavily invested in lab produced meat. Tasty.
https://tvpworld.com/64801898/netherlands-to-buy-u...
Nickbrapp said:
Japan
This I could give some thoughtwe are banning "ICE only" in 2035, but as far as I know, no plan of banning hybrid
Toyota have been lobbying our government for a long time in Hydrogen tech
Our grid are ancient that west and east run at different frequency
We are on earthquake zone, many critical service building have their own power generator
Nomme de Plum said:
Wab1974uk said:
It's coming. See the WEF Agenda 2030. There will be no meat. Not for us plebs anyway. Holland is trying to close down 3000 food producing farms. All in the name of climate change. They have been protesting in Holland for months.
New UK subsidies to farms will pay them `NOT` to produce food. They are trying to create food shortages. But worry not. Bill Gates is heavily invested in lab produced meat. Tasty.
https://tvpworld.com/64801898/netherlands-to-buy-u...
Who are They?New UK subsidies to farms will pay them `NOT` to produce food. They are trying to create food shortages. But worry not. Bill Gates is heavily invested in lab produced meat. Tasty.
https://tvpworld.com/64801898/netherlands-to-buy-u...
ATG said:
Time to get it out in the open. It's me and a few mates. We're lizards from the Planet Thraahhhggg. We got stranded here after a stag do went wrong, so, to kill time until the taxi turns up, we decided to screw with your monkey brains and play a few practical jokes.
You might think it's just a practical joke what you do with your probes, they really bloody hurt you know.DriveSnowdonia said:
You claimed that eating meat causes a multitude of diseases. But there is no strong evidence to support that. Quite the opposite in fact where things like grass fed beef, venison, etc. are packed with the nutrients and complex proteins so vital for life. There is a good reason why vegetarians and vegans normally need to supplement heavily if they are to avoid certain health issues.
Consumption of red meat is linked to an increased risk of bowel cancerDriveSnowdonia said:
starsky67 said:
DriveSnowdonia said:
You claimed that eating meat causes a multitude of diseases. But there is no strong evidence to support that. Quite the opposite in fact where things like grass fed beef, venison, etc. are packed with the nutrients and complex proteins so vital for life. There is a good reason why vegetarians and vegans normally need to supplement heavily if they are to avoid certain health issues.
Consumption of red meat is linked to an increased risk of bowel cancerWab1974uk said:
It's coming. See the WEF Agenda 2030. There will be no meat. Not for us plebs anyway. Holland is trying to close down 3000 food producing farms. All in the name of climate change. They have been protesting in Holland for months.
New UK subsidies to farms will pay them `NOT` to produce food. They are trying to create food shortages. But worry not. Bill Gates is heavily invested in lab produced meat. Tasty.
https://tvpworld.com/64801898/netherlands-to-buy-u...
Could you do us all a favour and pNew UK subsidies to farms will pay them `NOT` to produce food. They are trying to create food shortages. But worry not. Bill Gates is heavily invested in lab produced meat. Tasty.
https://tvpworld.com/64801898/netherlands-to-buy-u...
s off to the "Conspiracy theorists are a bit thick" thread, please?DriveSnowdonia said:
You claimed that eating meat causes a multitude of diseases. But there is no strong evidence to support that. Quite the opposite in fact where things like grass fed beef, venison, etc. are packed with the nutrients and complex proteins so vital for life. There is a good reason why vegetarians and vegans normally need to supplement heavily if they are to avoid certain health issues.
I did not say eat no meat protein did I. I said I eat much less now.https://www.thehealthy.com/food/things-could-happe...
If you are completely healthy and fit and wish to continue eating a lot of meat that is entirely your choice.
DriveSnowdonia said:
starsky67 said:
DriveSnowdonia said:
starsky67 said:
DriveSnowdonia said:
You claimed that eating meat causes a multitude of diseases. But there is no strong evidence to support that. Quite the opposite in fact where things like grass fed beef, venison, etc. are packed with the nutrients and complex proteins so vital for life. There is a good reason why vegetarians and vegans normally need to supplement heavily if they are to avoid certain health issues.
Consumption of red meat is linked to an increased risk of bowel cancerhttps://health.clevelandclinic.org/link-red-meat-c...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/17/ev...
https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answer...
DriveSnowdonia said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Who are They?
They as you call them are the globalists. Globalists seeking to push through their favored agenda whilst circumventing national democracies in the process. Always under the guise of a 'crisis' that needs solving for the good of mankind. But somehow that 'crisis' always involves increasing surveillance, more restrictions and a loss of freedoms/democratic representation for the common man, whilst simultaneously driving profit and influence for corporate entities.You can see this all kicking off at present with Macron in France. Not that we hear much about it in the UK media of course, lest us UK trouble makers get the same ideas and start to stand up for ourselves. Here's a link to what is seemingly going on behind the scenes.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/why-is-macron-...
Read the comments and make your own mind up. Enlightening which ever side of the fence you sit on.
Can you see it yet?
It could be argued that Macron imposing a new retirement age is anti democratic but the same people that protest will not accept that the money to fund state pensions come from the tax payer. So that is just the French being French.
So we started with They now we have Globalists. So what or who are Globalists?
DriveSnowdonia said:
No you claimed that eating meat caused a multitude of diseases and implied that therefore it was somehow selfish. That is factually incorrect. Time to set the record straight perhaps?
I started with this:"Personally i think we should all eat less meat. I eat little meat these days."
I will say no more on the subject as it has no relevance to the thread.
DriveSnowdonia said:
starsky67 said:
DriveSnowdonia said:
starsky67 said:
DriveSnowdonia said:
starsky67 said:
DriveSnowdonia said:
You claimed that eating meat causes a multitude of diseases. But there is no strong evidence to support that. Quite the opposite in fact where things like grass fed beef, venison, etc. are packed with the nutrients and complex proteins so vital for life. There is a good reason why vegetarians and vegans normally need to supplement heavily if they are to avoid certain health issues.
Consumption of red meat is linked to an increased risk of bowel cancerhttps://health.clevelandclinic.org/link-red-meat-c...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/17/ev...
https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answer...
I asked for good quality evidence. You seemingly have none. Nice try but best you get back on Google eh? I give up.
Where do you get your health advice from? (Obviously not your GP or specialist as they would get theirs from the same sorts of sources.)
DriveSnowdonia said:
starsky67 said:
DriveSnowdonia said:
starsky67 said:
DriveSnowdonia said:
You claimed that eating meat causes a multitude of diseases. But there is no strong evidence to support that. Quite the opposite in fact where things like grass fed beef, venison, etc. are packed with the nutrients and complex proteins so vital for life. There is a good reason why vegetarians and vegans normally need to supplement heavily if they are to avoid certain health issues.
Consumption of red meat is linked to an increased risk of bowel cancerKaren on Facebook has done WAY more research into this stuff. It's 5G and gay marriage that are to blame.
Nomme de Plum said:
It really isn't is it. The driving part is not productive is it? It maybe necessary but some of those roles are better done remotely now.
Not everything needs to be productive. We do some things just for fun.GT9 said:
Excellent, that's why I posted it, to prompt a discussion as to what we might expect this means for the average PHer.
If it doesn't mean anything for us, what are we getting so animated about?
The only ones who seem to have left the door open are Mercedes, BMW, Porsche and maybe some of the other VW brands.
Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati are obvious candidates.
Audi, MINI, RR, Bentley, Alfa, Fiat, Vauxhall, Renault, Citroen, Peugeot, Volvo have all said 100% electric though.
Ford and JLR have been a bot coy but looked like they were saying all-electric.
I'm asking other for their opinions as to who will roll back and what brands/models of ICE cars will be sold?
Outside the really high-end stuff, I would say that BMW and Mercedes is quite significant, as they are both popular brands. If it meant we got new M3s or C63s with petrol engines (even hybrid), that would be good news for a lot of PHers.If it doesn't mean anything for us, what are we getting so animated about?
The only ones who seem to have left the door open are Mercedes, BMW, Porsche and maybe some of the other VW brands.
Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati are obvious candidates.
Audi, MINI, RR, Bentley, Alfa, Fiat, Vauxhall, Renault, Citroen, Peugeot, Volvo have all said 100% electric though.
Ford and JLR have been a bot coy but looked like they were saying all-electric.
I'm asking other for their opinions as to who will roll back and what brands/models of ICE cars will be sold?
In terms of the other, cheaper brands, it will be interesting to see what happens. It's no surprise that they were saying their future was 100% electric, given that it looked as though legislation in Europe would prevent them selling anything else. Now that's potentially changing, I suspect they will all be furiously assessing whether they should modify their strategies, especially if they have a reasonable market presence outside of Europe.
I don't think this is likely to change things for the majority of cars, so I imagine most will still end up electric. However, it does allow a little room for them to make interesting ICE cars around the electric stuff, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the performance sub-brands doing some ICE stuff, even if it's hybrid. It might not even be the European brands as much, but companies like Toyota and Hyundai might take a broader approach, especially as they have such a big global footprint compared to the European brands.
Regardless, I hope it will allow us to still enjoy ICE cars, even if it isn't on the scale it is now.
starsky67 said:
Then correct term is 'meta analysis' not 'meta study' and it's a well accepted study technique, but that aside you don't consider the Cleveland Clinic and WHO to be reliable sources of high quality information?
Where do you get your health advice from? (Obviously not your GP or specialist as they would get theirs from the same sorts of sources.)
It's standard l00n behaviour; ask for evidence, then quibble about what is offered.Where do you get your health advice from? (Obviously not your GP or specialist as they would get theirs from the same sorts of sources.)
Mind you, I'm still grinning about the idea of trying to do a double-blind trial of meat eaters vs. veggies over, say, 20 years.
That and one of the co-authors of Reference #1 in the NIH paper you cite; "Diks
t, R."Nomme de Plum said:
It was confirmed this morning that to comply with the zero pollutant zero CO2 requirement end to end that e-fuels with be very expensive. so yes If you can afford an Aston, Ferrari or similar then you will be fine.
I do not see Mr & Mrs Average paying £4/l
If we stop using oil, albeit the petroleum distillates, for vehicles won't this reduce the price of the base oil stock? Likewise electricity costs will rocket as demand increases so we end with both costing £3/ litre - in that case I am up for a hybrid sports car ala NSX, i8 etc. With inflation running as it is many of us will be on the bus anyway.I do not see Mr & Mrs Average paying £4/l
Jon_S_Rally said:
Outside the really high-end stuff, I would say that BMW and Mercedes is quite significant, as they are both popular brands. If it meant we got new M3s or C63s with petrol engines (even hybrid), that would be good news for a lot of PHers.
In terms of the other, cheaper brands, it will be interesting to see what happens. It's no surprise that they were saying their future was 100% electric, given that it looked as though legislation in Europe would prevent them selling anything else. Now that's potentially changing, I suspect they will all be furiously assessing whether they should modify their strategies, especially if they have a reasonable market presence outside of Europe.
I don't think this is likely to change things for the majority of cars, so I imagine most will still end up electric. However, it does allow a little room for them to make interesting ICE cars around the electric stuff, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the performance sub-brands doing some ICE stuff, even if it's hybrid. It might not even be the European brands as much, but companies like Toyota and Hyundai might take a broader approach, especially as they have such a big global footprint compared to the European brands.
Regardless, I hope it will allow us to still enjoy ICE cars, even if it isn't on the scale it is now.
You may have read my post suggesting that this whole thing could have been done by just mandating a minimum capacity and cylinder count and no forced induction for petrol engines.In terms of the other, cheaper brands, it will be interesting to see what happens. It's no surprise that they were saying their future was 100% electric, given that it looked as though legislation in Europe would prevent them selling anything else. Now that's potentially changing, I suspect they will all be furiously assessing whether they should modify their strategies, especially if they have a reasonable market presence outside of Europe.
I don't think this is likely to change things for the majority of cars, so I imagine most will still end up electric. However, it does allow a little room for them to make interesting ICE cars around the electric stuff, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the performance sub-brands doing some ICE stuff, even if it's hybrid. It might not even be the European brands as much, but companies like Toyota and Hyundai might take a broader approach, especially as they have such a big global footprint compared to the European brands.
Regardless, I hope it will allow us to still enjoy ICE cars, even if it isn't on the scale it is now.
Obviously that would never happen, as the need for 'on-paper' carbon-neutrality is a given, but I wonder if it will turn out like that anyway, save for the petrol bit.
The ultimate incarnation of the petrol lCE is probably the sort of thing we are seeing from the supercar manufacturers, high-revving multi-cylinder naturally-aspirated with electric torque fill.
It would be nice tor think that AMG/M/RS cars get the same treatment, assuming Audi roll back on their 100% electric stance...
The cost of fuel consumption is going to be an issue though, so it might be that downsized turbo hybrids rule the roost, which would be a shame.
Porsche will no doubt stick with two versions of the flat 6 for their GT and Turbo cars.
Jon_S_Rally said:
Outside the really high-end stuff, I would say that BMW and Mercedes is quite significant, as they are both popular brands. If it meant we got new M3s or C63s with petrol engines (even hybrid), that would be good news for a lot of PHers.
Can new M3s or C63s still be created without the hundreds of thousands of 318is and C180s to amortise 3 Series/C series development, supply chain and production costs across?Continuing existing halo models as standalone ICE models in an EV world may not be accessible to many PHers unlike today.
Also what will these cars look like by 2035 with Euro 7/8/9 and other ICE requirements by then?
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