RE: GMA T.33 Spider previewed ahead of unveiling
Discussion
Initially not a fan of the looks of the T50. Just a bit bland, even compared to the F1 but its a grower and the attention to detail, all of it seemingly important, is amazing.
The engine must be similar to that developed by Cosworth for the Valkyrie but seems he will be making more extensive use of it?
T33 sounds interesting and surely those prints will sell for a tidy sum or be delivered with the cars.
The engine must be similar to that developed by Cosworth for the Valkyrie but seems he will be making more extensive use of it?
T33 sounds interesting and surely those prints will sell for a tidy sum or be delivered with the cars.
kambites said:
I like the smoothness and simplicity of the T33's styling - to my eyes it's a classically pretty, almost organic looking, car which doesn't feel the need to follow the modern trend of ridiculously OTT (mostly fake) aerodynamic appendages. A lovely counterpoint to the ugliness of modern mid-engined Ferraris etc. Not sure it's going to work so well as a convertible but the coupe is definitely the most appealing super-sports car of the modern era to my eyes, both aesthetically and in terms of specs. Sadly my opinion counts for little because it's several orders of magnitude out of my price range. 
The cars that are considered like the most beautiful ever usually follow that organic look rather than the edgy trend. I'm thinking of the 300 SL, the type E, the 8C, DB5, dino, miura... That considered it's somehow very strange that almost all cars especially supercars follow the edgy look. I know there are aerodynamics considerations but still. A car like the opel calibra was very aerodynamic despite being "curvy".Edited by kambites on Friday 31st March 17:07
PerformanteNonGrata said:
Ah, yes the oft mentioned mythical £50k sports car that all manufacturers should be producing.
They exist, so clearly not impossible. And many more people would have the chance of buying one. They're making 100 of these T.33 Spiders assuming the company thrives. So, basically none to all intents and purposes. Once the majority have gone into collections only to notch up a few hundred miles a year crawling back and forth between show-off events, you'll be left with about seven that get driven a bit and one or two that get driven a lot and are popularly appealed to as "proof" that these cars get used plenty.£50k might be a bit of a stretch these days, but £100-150k car with a nice NA engine, less exotic construction, maybe 350-400hp and 1,200kg in a usable package would be interesting. Something like a McLaren 570S but with the turbos removed, a manual box and maybe a bit smaller all round and yet still with more luggage space. That feels quite Murray to me. Not perfectly Murray, as heavier than he'd like. But Murray with a bit of reality injected.
It's probably a business case thing as you'd likely need Porsche style volumes of 10k units annually plus to have the thing make decent money. Probably not a goer. But if the point of making a sports car is to do with an actual driving experience, well, having people actually experience that seems somewhat critical, I'd have thought.
Problem with the Murray cars is that they're so low volume and so exotic and expensive, they'll have virtually zero impact on actual driving, as the sum total of driving they'll accrue will be basically nowt
PerformanteNonGrata said:
Ah, yes the oft mentioned mythical £50k sports car
Are you suggesting the Audi TT, Toyota GR86, Mazda MX5, Alpine A110, and the 718 don't exist? All around or below £50k, and Murray kept banging on about istream making such possible, whereas it turns out istream isn't even good enough for jus own cars... what a sound and what a beast when he floors it for a moment, you could feel the power and vibrations, connected to the car, that from just a video :-)
wonder how it drives in the wet or cold, scary to floor it :-) but, most of the time you have some extra power left, thats sometimes a good feeling when using that to leave say a Ferrari or so behind you.
No idea how much grip it can handle... so if carwow ever comes with this against a say Porsche Turbo S such 650hp version, it would have trouble the first 100 or so meters, and then it comes to collect the Porsche, something like that.
The porsche will also feel fast, but very different, I guess way more thrills with the GMA T.50
wonder how it drives in the wet or cold, scary to floor it :-) but, most of the time you have some extra power left, thats sometimes a good feeling when using that to leave say a Ferrari or so behind you.
No idea how much grip it can handle... so if carwow ever comes with this against a say Porsche Turbo S such 650hp version, it would have trouble the first 100 or so meters, and then it comes to collect the Porsche, something like that.
The porsche will also feel fast, but very different, I guess way more thrills with the GMA T.50
Sporky said:
Are you suggesting the Audi TT, Toyota GR86, Mazda MX5, Alpine A110, and the 718 don't exist? All around or below £50k, and Murray kept banging on about istream making such possible, whereas it turns out istream isn't even good enough for jus own cars...
Actually, the T.33 is made with iStream.Making a below £50k car is just a matter of volume. GMA would need to make a few thousand a year, so that would mean a new factory, new workers, new everything. And they would be stuck with those facilities and people, so they wouldn't just be finished with making this one car but would have to keep producing cars at that rate from then on. So it's a completely different thing from what they are doing now; whether iSteam would offer an advantage or not is not even the question.
I'd guess any 50k sports car that will have the involvement of Gordon Murray is one he designs for an established volume car manufacturer. What's the chances of that..
Maybe he'll do a 250k car, then again if he can flog multi million pound cars all day long, the question arises why would he bother with a far less expensive car and the volumes required to make it financially viable .
Anyway, the cheaper the car the less likely it's not going to live up to his demanding standards and may only dilute the brand.
As for the T.33, it's far more resolved looking machine than the T.50, then again neither are lookers.
Maybe he'll do a 250k car, then again if he can flog multi million pound cars all day long, the question arises why would he bother with a far less expensive car and the volumes required to make it financially viable .
Anyway, the cheaper the car the less likely it's not going to live up to his demanding standards and may only dilute the brand.
As for the T.33, it's far more resolved looking machine than the T.50, then again neither are lookers.
Edited by JJJ. on Saturday 1st April 11:24
PerformanteNonGrata said:
Sporky said:
I was wooried that Gordon Murray hadn't done a press release about Gordon Murray for a while.
Strangely snide comment.Sporky said:
Let's see him do a £50k sports car.
Ah, yes the oft mentioned mythical £50k sports car that all manufacturers should be producing.They will buy £100k+ M and AMG products weighing 2 tons though.
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