RE: GMA T.33 Spider previewed ahead of unveiling
Discussion
kambites said:
I like the smoothness and simplicity of the T33's styling - to my eyes it's a classically pretty, almost organic looking, car which doesn't feel the need to follow the modern trend of ridiculously OTT (mostly fake) aerodynamic appendages. A lovely counterpoint to the ugliness of modern mid-engined Ferraris etc. Not sure it's going to work so well as a convertible but the coupe is definitely the most appealing super-sports car of the modern era to my eyes, both aesthetically and in terms of specs. Sadly my opinion counts for little because it's several orders of magnitude out of my price range. 
100% agree - elegant and restrained and no cartoon-aggression acne that disfigures all its peers. Things is, so many people have been inured to insecure batman styling cues these days that they struggle to cope with something that is simple. The status anxiety sub-text is – are there enough scoops and macho flourishes so that will everyone know just how much I’ve spent on this? Whereas in reality that kind of ‘rolling street theatre for the plebs’ approach becomes very wearing, very quickly. Edited by kambites on Friday 31st March 17:07
GeeTeeBee said:
Phobos50 said:
You do come across as a bit pompous.
Yes, the F1 is flawed. The F40 is flawed. The Countach is very flawed. The Miura is dangerously flawed (Carburetor fire, front end weight issues when fuel tank low)....
The cars you mention are in a category where relatively few have experienced them, so by definition most people who hold them in high regard do so vicariously.Yes, the F1 is flawed. The F40 is flawed. The Countach is very flawed. The Miura is dangerously flawed (Carburetor fire, front end weight issues when fuel tank low)....
No many icons of yesteryear stand up to first hand scrutiny all that well. Some do, but in my experience, they're the exceptions.
P.S. if you turn out to be Nick Mason, i'm sorry i called you pompous.
Edited by Phobos50 on Monday 3rd April 19:33
GeeTeeBee said:
What The Deuces said:
Nope, according to the finest motoring writers in the land (Frankel et al) it’s handling is pretty good, according to you handles ‘not terribly well, ‘ from what you’ve read’
'Pretty good'. 
You're too dim (and cross) to get it.Please more crossness!
Phobos50 said:
You have obviously owned many supercars and know intimately their strengths and weaknesses from first hand experience. We'd all be genuinely interested, i'm sure, to know which specific supercars you've owned and which are the exceptions to not standing upto first hand scrutiny? Ferrari 250 GTO perhaps? Ferrari 288 GTO? Mercedes 300 SLR? Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale?
P.S. if you turn out to be Nick Mason, i'm sorry i called you pompous.
In other words, attack the poster not the post content when you've run out of road. P.S. if you turn out to be Nick Mason, i'm sorry i called you pompous.
Edited by Phobos50 on Monday 3rd April 19:33
GeeTeeBee said:
Phobos50 said:
You have obviously owned many supercars and know intimately their strengths and weaknesses from first hand experience. We'd all be genuinely interested, i'm sure, to know which specific supercars you've owned and which are the exceptions to not standing upto first hand scrutiny? Ferrari 250 GTO perhaps? Ferrari 288 GTO? Mercedes 300 SLR? Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale?
P.S. if you turn out to be Nick Mason, i'm sorry i called you pompous.
In other words, attack the poster not the post content when you've run out of road. P.S. if you turn out to be Nick Mason, i'm sorry i called you pompous.
Edited by Phobos50 on Monday 3rd April 19:33
GeeTeeBee said:
What The Deuces said:
Nope, according to the finest motoring writers in the land (Frankel et al) it’s handling is pretty good, according to you handles ‘not terribly well, ‘ from what you’ve read’
'Pretty good'. You're too dim (and cross) to get it.Phobos50 said:
GeeTeeBee said:
Phobos50 said:
Yes, the F1 is flawed. The F40 is flawed. The Countach is very flawed. The Miura is dangerously flawed (Carburetor fire, front end weight issues when fuel tank low)....
The cars you mention are in a category where relatively few have experienced them, so by definition most people who hold them in high regard do so vicariously.No many icons of yesteryear stand up to first hand scrutiny all that well. Some do, but in my experience, they're the exceptions.
Edited by Phobos50 on Monday 3rd April 19:33
Your words - "No many icons of yesteryear stand up to first hand scrutiny all that well. Some do, but in my experience, they're the exceptions".
I'm done with this thread now, but to save you losing any credibility, why not just answer the question (without further deflection), which is:
"We'd all be genuinely interested, i'm sure, to know which specific supercars you've owned and which are the exceptions to not standing upto first hand scrutiny?"
Edited by Phobos50 on Wednesday 5th April 18:46
Phobos50 said:
I'm patently just querying your words - your own words that stand there in black and white for everyone to see. I have said i haven't driven a supercar, but you have told us that you have "experience" of "first-hand scrutiny" of "icons of yesteryear" in respect of the subject we are exchanging posts on - supercars/hypercars.
Your words - "No many icons of yesteryear stand up to first hand scrutiny all that well. Some do, but in my experience, they're the exceptions".
I'm done with this thread now, but to save you losing any credibility, why not just answer the question (without further deflection), which is:
"We'd all be genuinely interested, i'm sure, to know which specific supercars you've owned and which are the exceptions to not standing upto first hand scrutiny?"
Speaking of credibility, your basic problem here is that if you're so violently in disagreement with me, then you have to hold yourself to the same standards. Whatever stipulations you hold me to in order to be fit for holding an opinion, you must yourself abide by. Your words - "No many icons of yesteryear stand up to first hand scrutiny all that well. Some do, but in my experience, they're the exceptions".
I'm done with this thread now, but to save you losing any credibility, why not just answer the question (without further deflection), which is:
"We'd all be genuinely interested, i'm sure, to know which specific supercars you've owned and which are the exceptions to not standing upto first hand scrutiny?"
If you're saying I have to have owned all these supercars to express a view, then you too must have owned them to express the counter view with credibility and without fairly blatant hypocrisy.
I think you said you're done with this thread, so I suppose we shall never know about your experiences with Countach and F40 ownership!
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