RE: All-new Toyota Land Cruiser launched

[sosidge]

Awesome. Huge and hybrid-free at launch. Love the boxy styling and classic colour scheme. Built like a brick outhouse no doubt.

Obviously completely unsuitable in the city but as transportation for the coming apocalpyse it makes perfect sense.

Where do I sign up?

[aestivator]

Bannock said:

Old school? Old school run, maybe. Only farmers should be able to buy these things.

That's right! Vehicle availability should be strictly rationed according to someone else's idea of your needs. Enjoy your Trabant.

NGK210 said:

But why won’t Toyota give us the V6 twin-turbo diesel and petrol options, and petrol V6 hybrid – all are paired with a 10-speed autobox – which they’re getting in the US, Oz, et al?

Not in this version of the Land Cruiser they aren't - in fact this looks like a rare case of the UK getting it best. The US version is a 2.4 petrol with a hybrid system, which eats into some of the boot space and means it only comes as a 5-seater.

[daveco]

LimaDelta said:

cayman-black said:

200hp is low though

For a genuine off-road biased SUV it is enough. If most of your mileage is motorway based or you need big numbers for validation, then there are plenty of on-road focused more powerful offerings from VAG, BMW, JLR etc.

I have the current model with the 2.8 and while it could never be described as 'quick', it is adequate to keep pace with traffic, and get places.

I don't think Toyota are trying to poach any AMG or SVR buyers here, it's a different vehicle for those with different requirements.

+1

And it's far better on fuel than any other SUV of the same size and weight that I've driven.

[Luke.]

Just a shame the round headlights aren't hanging around. They make for a much more interesting front end.

[braddo]

Luke. said:

Just a shame the round headlights aren't hanging around. They make for a much more interesting front end.

I will be amazed if they don’t when Toyota see the clamour for them.

[Roger Irrelevant]

Jader1973 said:

loveice said:

This isn’t the proper new Land Cruiser. The LC300 series was introduce two years ago. This is a simply updated version of the current Prado (a face lift inside out with the same chassis and drive train). I know the real Land Cruisers aren’t sold in Western Europe. But Prado should be at least mentioned once in the article in order to let to let the readers know this isn’t the all new Land Cruiser. The difference between Prado and Land Cruiser is much bigger than the difference between RRS and FFRR, they have totally different chassis and drivetrains, whereas RRS at least shares the same chassis and drivetrain as FFRR…

Edited by loveice on Wednesday 2nd August 06:45

According to drive.com.au the new Prado uses the same chassis as the 300 series.

It is also only 55mm shorter and the same width as the 300.

It's quite a strange comment really - they clearly know enough about Land Cruisers to know that there's (at least) two different kinds, but the fact that both this 250 series and the 300 series 'proper' LC are built on the same TNGA-F platform has passed them by, as has the fact that this definitely isn't just a sprucing up of the current 150 Prado.

[9k rpm]

LimaDelta said:

cayman-black said:

200hp is low though

For a genuine off-road biased SUV it is enough. If most of your mileage is motorway based or you need big numbers for validation, then there are plenty of on-road focused more powerful offerings from VAG, BMW, JLR etc.

I have the current model with the 2.8 and while it could never be described as 'quick', it is adequate to keep pace with traffic, and get places.

I don't think Toyota are trying to poach any AMG or SVR buyers here, it's a different vehicle for those with different requirements.

Fair enough it’s not a performance SUV but for the price it will be I think the engine is a huge weakness.
Also, imagine towing 3.5t with it.

[jwigglesworth]

Totally agree-would have one of these over the Ineos any day of the week

[NGK210]

aestivator said:

Not in this version of the Land Cruiser they aren't - in fact this looks like a rare case of the UK getting it best. The US version is a 2.4 petrol with a hybrid system, which eats into some of the boot space and means it only comes as a 5-seater.

My mistake. It’s the new Lexus GX (same platform as new Prado) that has the V6 twin-turbo and 10-speed autobox.

[Earthdweller]

Mysstree said:

Next to none of the men (using the term lightly here) on PH will buy this as its not fashionable and their wife. / partner will not allow them too

I have a place deep in the country, real farming area and there are loads of Landcruisers around here

Depends where you are and what you need, sure, can’t see much point of one in Fulham but if you’re daily routine involves dragging heavily laden ifor Williams trailers rather than taking Tarquin to his prep school then there is a point in them

As it goes, I think it looks great

[llcoolmac]

9k rpm said:

LimaDelta said:

cayman-black said:

200hp is low though

For a genuine off-road biased SUV it is enough. If most of your mileage is motorway based or you need big numbers for validation, then there are plenty of on-road focused more powerful offerings from VAG, BMW, JLR etc.

I have the current model with the 2.8 and while it could never be described as 'quick', it is adequate to keep pace with traffic, and get places.

I don't think Toyota are trying to poach any AMG or SVR buyers here, it's a different vehicle for those with different requirements.

Fair enough it’s not a performance SUV but for the price it will be I think the engine is a huge weakness.
Also, imagine towing 3.5t with it.

I have to laugh at this. Come to Ireland you will see hundreds of these every day towing 3.5t (and often much more) and that was when they were only rated for 2.8t and having 160hp. The old 100 series was only 200hp and no one questions their towing abilities.

I tow 3.5t every day with a 1.9 D'Max. It's a bit wheezy down low but the 2.8t in the Hilux is a different beast.

[TheJimi]

The new Land Cruiser (First Edition) looks bloody awesome to me

Apropos, I potted this last year -

Edited by TheJimi on Wednesday 2nd August 14:41

Edited by TheJimi on Wednesday 2nd August 14:41

[Roger Irrelevant]

llcoolmac said:

I have to laugh at this. Come to Ireland you will see hundreds of these every day towing 3.5t (and often much more) and that was when they were only rated for 2.8t and having 160hp. The old 100 series was only 200hp and no one questions their towing abilities.

Yup, to suggest that a Land Cruiser/Prado isn't going to be good for towing is an odd suggestion indeed. Try finding a used one in the UK that hasn't got a tow bar fitted - nigh on impossible! No you're not going to be the slip road SUV champion while towing 3t, but it'll do it all day long, day in day out, and not break. For some people that's worth more than knocking out 0-60 in under 6 seconds, then limping to the dealer to get it fixed (again).

[Bannock]

aestivator said:

Bannock said:

Old school? Old school run, maybe. Only farmers should be able to buy these things.

That's right! Vehicle availability should be strictly rationed according to someone else's idea of your needs. Enjoy your Trabant.

Yeah, I've been in a few of those over the years having spent lots of time behind the Iron Curtain before it came down, they were great back in the day, but 2-stroke doesn't really cut it around town these days so I'll stick with my Nissan Leaf for the school run and popping to Aldi, thanks.

I'm happy to extend Land Cruiser sales beyond farmers though, perhaps Travelling Showmen can be included as they might need to get a Llama in the back.

Speaking of animals, I've got some neighbours who have a big dopey black labrador, I used to enjoy watching him happily hop in and out of their A6 estate. His seemingly even dopier owners have, however, sadly swapped that for a full sized SUV, despite living in a dreary southern suburb with extensively tarmacked roads, and I've just seen them mounting and dismounting a collapsible ramp for poor old Rover to get out of the back of the ridiculously high vehicle. Once he was out, they had to fold up the ramp and put it back in the boot - looked liked the thing was taking up half the boot space. Well done folks, really chose the practical option there didn't you. Looked like fun for everyone in the pissing rain. Lifestyle though, innit. Looks cooler than a Grandad estate car.

[corcoran]

NGK210 said:

Cool, unlike the Anus Grenade.

Absolute Top Marks.

[LimaDelta]

9k rpm said:

LimaDelta said:

cayman-black said:

200hp is low though

For a genuine off-road biased SUV it is enough. If most of your mileage is motorway based or you need big numbers for validation, then there are plenty of on-road focused more powerful offerings from VAG, BMW, JLR etc.

I have the current model with the 2.8 and while it could never be described as 'quick', it is adequate to keep pace with traffic, and get places.

I don't think Toyota are trying to poach any AMG or SVR buyers here, it's a different vehicle for those with different requirements.

Fair enough it’s not a performance SUV but for the price it will be I think the engine is a huge weakness.
Also, imagine towing 3.5t with it.

Some of us don't have to imagine.

As usual, the people who use one are saying it's fine, and the people who will probably never actual buy one are citing it as a weakness. It's the GT86/BRZ all over again.

[J4CKO]

Toyota are on a bit of a roll arent they ?

Looks well judged between retro and modern.

I have a double cab Hilux "Invincible" on the path, now I know a Hilux <> Land Cruiser, and its totally not my kind of vehicle but I find it strangely appealing, if a bit of a lumpen thing to drive. Definitely has some inherent quality built in as its ten years old and has 112,000 miles on it, a few battle scars but the paint and everything comes up like new, feels like with some care it could carry on indefinitely. Think Clarkson did more for Toyotas reputation with trying, and largely failing to destroy one than Toyota ever managed with their marketing.

[Wulf Sternhammer]

This gets a resounding yes from me. I'd rather have this than a Defender at any rate.

[axel1990chp]

A lot of recent cars coming out of the Asian market are looking very 90's these days and I absolutely love it.

Not really a fan of a 4x4 but this strikes something!

+1

[epom]

Whats with all these planet destroying jeeps ?

I'll take one yellow and one blue please. Good job design team.