Tuner fined for pop and bang map & decat fitting

[fantheman80]

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/consumer-news/361602...

I know pop and bang threads have been done to death on here, but this is an interesting development, a company fined for a decat and the map which put it over the noise limit and for not advising at the time it was illegal. Many tuners out there fit these, and may fit decats. Maybe a few tuners changing their websites soon..!

[Biggy Stardust]

Anyone putting a Rice Krispie map on a car deserves all they get.

[tr7v8]

Fantastic. Now tug all the stupid mopeds running illegal exhausts, do their owners for no insurance & crush the bloody things.

[garypotter]

tr7v8 said:

Fantastic. Now tug all the stupid mopeds running illegal exhausts, do their owners for no insurance & crush the bloody things.

Remeber that next time you order a takeaway to be delivered......

[JackJarvis]

Excellent. More of this please.

[zsdom]

Surely easily sorted in the future, just state it on the invoice if any mods they fit are not road legal

[Master Bean]

tr7v8 said:

Fantastic. Now tug all the stupid mopeds running illegal exhausts, do their owners for no insurance & crush the bloody things.

That would be a video on a specialist website.

[Fastdruid]

fantheman80 said:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/consumer-news/361602...

I know pop and bang threads have been done to death on here, but this is an interesting development, a company fined for a decat and the map which put it over the noise limit and for not advising at the time it was illegal. Many tuners out there fit these, and may fit decats. Maybe a few tuners changing their websites soon..!

Not only the decats and pop 'n' bang maps, there are a million and one firms offering dpf "solutions", egr blank offs, remaps etc and none advising they're illegal.

[Hol]

If the issue was the legality of the map and decat, I wonder why they even needed a sting operation.


Or did they have to catch them actually supplying said items?

[Scrump]

Hol said:

If the issue was the legality of the map and decat, I wonder why they even needed a sting operation.


Or did they have to catch them actually supplying said items?

The issue doesn’t seem to be supplying these items, it seems to be not informing the customer that they would make the vehicle illegal to use on the road.
I guess the sting operation was therefore to have evidence that the company did not inform customers the parts were for off road use only.

[zeb]

JackJarvis said:

Excellent. More of this please.

Agreed it’s great news!

[PT1984]

I would really quite like a Termignoni full system for my Ducati Scrambler. Titanium goodness. It’s a full dealer fit option. They will pass the MOT year after year. The software deletes the lambda control.

But, it’s marked as race use only. I just can’t do it. The insurance implications worry me. But it would sound awesome! Unfortunately we need emission control in current times.

Every car and bike should be fitted with the control it was fitted with. And unless a dealer option, should have standard software. I have Polestar software on my V40 D4 mind.

[NFT]

Scrump said:

Hol said:

If the issue was the legality of the map and decat, I wonder why they even needed a sting operation.


Or did they have to catch them actually supplying said items?

The issue doesn’t seem to be supplying these items, it seems to be not informing the customer that they would make the vehicle illegal to use on the road.
I guess the sting operation was therefore to have evidence that the company did not inform customers the parts were for off road use only.

I wasn't aware it was illegal to do custom non weapons work for customers just because the customer may break the law?

Surely a customer has the duty to check if their car will be legal or not, I know, they will not ask because they know the answer, but how can DVSA come along, entrap the business into doing work, deliberately not ask when customer needs to make sure the car is legal and will pass MOT, not the company doing custom work on request by a self pursuant customer.

I really feel for the business owner, likely an enthusiast making an honest living and all of a sudden DVSA tricked him into being "The Example" to others.

[JD]

PT1984 said:

But it would sound awesome!

No it would sound utterly st, and mark you out as a selfish cretin.

[Soleith]

NFT said:

I wasn't aware it was illegal to do custom non weapons work for customers just because the customer may break the law?

Surely a customer has the duty to check if their car will be legal or not, I know, they will not ask because they know the answer, but how can DVSA come along, entrap the business into doing work, deliberately not ask when customer needs to make sure the car is legal and will pass MOT, not the company doing custom work on request by a self pursuant customer.

I really feel for the business owner, likely an enthusiast making an honest living and all of a sudden DVSA tricked him into being "The Example" to others.

This

[i_alan_i]

NFT said:

I wasn't aware it was illegal to do custom non weapons work for customers just because the customer may break the law?

Surely a customer has the duty to check if their car will be legal or not, I know, they will not ask because they know the answer, but how can DVSA come along, entrap the business into doing work, deliberately not ask when customer needs to make sure the car is legal and will pass MOT, not the company doing custom work on request by a self pursuant customer.

I really feel for the business owner, likely an enthusiast making an honest living and all of a sudden DVSA tricked him into being "The Example" to others.

But it's not an honest living. It's putting a product in the market which doesn't meet noise and environmental legislation. It's obviously unacceptable.

Poor enthusiast business owner, tricked into selling products which aren't fit for the purpose they are being used for. They know fine well these maps are going on road cars and they should be suitable for that use.

[pocketspring]

Soleith said:

NFT said:

I wasn't aware it was illegal to do custom non weapons work for customers just because the customer may break the law?

Surely a customer has the duty to check if their car will be legal or not, I know, they will not ask because they know the answer, but how can DVSA come along, entrap the business into doing work, deliberately not ask when customer needs to make sure the car is legal and will pass MOT, not the company doing custom work on request by a self pursuant customer.

I really feel for the business owner, likely an enthusiast making an honest living and all of a sudden DVSA tricked him into being "The Example" to others.

This

No, not this.

[Soleith]

pocketspring said:

Soleith said:

NFT said:

I wasn't aware it was illegal to do custom non weapons work for customers just because the customer may break the law?

Surely a customer has the duty to check if their car will be legal or not, I know, they will not ask because they know the answer, but how can DVSA come along, entrap the business into doing work, deliberately not ask when customer needs to make sure the car is legal and will pass MOT, not the company doing custom work on request by a self pursuant customer.

I really feel for the business owner, likely an enthusiast making an honest living and all of a sudden DVSA tricked him into being "The Example" to others.

This

No, not this.

Yes, really this. Personal responsibility should still take some role in the world. The work they did wasn't illegal. Otherwise why doesn't a frying pan come with a disclaimer warning it's illegal to assault someone with it.

[QuickQuack]

Soleith said:

pocketspring said:

Soleith said:

NFT said:

I wasn't aware it was illegal to do custom non weapons work for customers just because the customer may break the law?

Surely a customer has the duty to check if their car will be legal or not, I know, they will not ask because they know the answer, but how can DVSA come along, entrap the business into doing work, deliberately not ask when customer needs to make sure the car is legal and will pass MOT, not the company doing custom work on request by a self pursuant customer.

I really feel for the business owner, likely an enthusiast making an honest living and all of a sudden DVSA tricked him into being "The Example" to others.

This

No, not this.

Yes, really this. Personal responsibility should still take some role in the world. The work they did wasn't illegal. Otherwise why doesn't a frying pan come with a disclaimer warning it's illegal to assault someone with it.

Because they're totally different things. For one thing, the primary action and purpose of the frying pan isn't assault, whereas the primary purpose of the modifications being sold by this business is to implement changes which are illegal on the road. For the activities of this business owner to be legal, all the car they worked should have been taken away from the premises by a trailer. If you knowingly sell tobacco, alcohol, knives or solvents to under age kids or to adults whom you know will be passing them on to underage kids, you'll get into trouble with the law. That's a better analogy than a frying pan being used for assault.

Anybody who decats and puts on pops and bangs maps on cars should be fed to the lions at Whipsnade, and those driving the such modified cars can be given as play things to the chimps.

[Soleith]

QuickQuack said:

Soleith said:

pocketspring said:

Soleith said:

NFT said:

I wasn't aware it was illegal to do custom non weapons work for customers just because the customer may break the law?

Surely a customer has the duty to check if their car will be legal or not, I know, they will not ask because they know the answer, but how can DVSA come along, entrap the business into doing work, deliberately not ask when customer needs to make sure the car is legal and will pass MOT, not the company doing custom work on request by a self pursuant customer.

I really feel for the business owner, likely an enthusiast making an honest living and all of a sudden DVSA tricked him into being "The Example" to others.

This

No, not this.

Yes, really this. Personal responsibility should still take some role in the world. The work they did wasn't illegal. Otherwise why doesn't a frying pan come with a disclaimer warning it's illegal to assault someone with it.

Because they're totally different things. For one thing, the primary action and purpose of the frying pan isn't assault, whereas the primary purpose of the modifications being sold by this business is to implement changes which are illegal on the road. For the activities of this business owner to be legal, all the car they worked should have been taken away from the premises by a trailer. If you knowingly sell tobacco, alcohol, knives or solvents to under age kids or to adults whom you know will be passing them on to underage kids, you'll get into trouble with the law. That's a better analogy than a frying pan being used for assault.

Anybody who decats and puts on pops and bangs maps on cars should be fed to the lions at Whipsnade, and those driving the such modified cars can be given as play things to the chimps.

Well, clearly not as those actions would be illegal! Perhaps you didn't know as there isn't a disclaimer at the zoo? XD