RE: Full carbon Kamm 912C aims for sub-700kg

RE: Full carbon Kamm 912C aims for sub-700kg

Friday 15th December 2023

Full carbon Kamm 912C targets 699kg kerbweight

Fed up of heavy new sports cars? Kamm's already lightweight 912 can now be made even lighter still...


There’s a lot to like about the Kamm 912C: it looks great, it’s nicely made, it sounds brilliant and it offers up something a bit different in the restomod scene. For 2024, one of the Kamm’s most endearing aspects - its slender kerbweight, which helps it drive with such vim - can be reduced yet further with all-carbon bodywork. If all goes to plan, that’ll make for a 699kg car in fully road-legal spec. 

At present, the 912c makes use of semi-carbon panels; the Irish Green test car already seen used the black stuff for the bonnet, engine cover, front wings and doors. Now the roof and rear wings have joined in the fun, big panels that will have contributed to that significant weight saving. Buyers can opt for the fully exposed carbon seen here (which looks fantastic), or fully painted. Moreover, there are going to be some technical upgrades for the Kamm 912c in 2024, including better aero (for stability and refinement), new seats, improved infotainment and upgraded air-con. More power is coming for the flat-four as well, which is exciting - expect more details in the new year.

Founder Miki Kázmér said of the latest evolution: “I am a perfectionist and continuously seek innovative new ways to improve the 912c. Our new carbon fibre body is a great example of that, with perfect fit, incredible strength, and further weight saving. In addition, the 2024 912c will offer a range of enhancements to further enhance driving pleasure and give an even more rewarding ownership experience. We look forward to delivering the first client cars early into 2024 and will then show the world our new development car for evaluation later in the year.”

As is always the case, however, carbon doesn’t come cheap. Without a donor car, a Kamm 912c exactly like this one will cost €400,000, or just over £340,000. Hand over a 912 with the expectation of getting an all-carbon car back and that price is €360,000, or £309,000. The semi-carbon option remains available, all 750kg of it, for €40,000 less. Might be best to let Kamm deal with sourcing a donor car and pay the premium - the 912s on PH look too good to sacrifice…


 

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Augustus Windsock

Original Poster:

3,379 posts

156 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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I’m sure, as always, there will be people that proclaim this to be (one of) the most wonderful things ever.
Despite being a huge Porsche fan I’m unable to see the sense in this, either by its price or the carbon fibre work which for me takes away all originality.
I’m also sure I’ll get flamed for my comment above, but for me I’d rather spend the money on the very best 930 or 964 RS (which no doubt will open the argument about ‘but for the same money you could buy…’)

Ray_Aber

485 posts

277 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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It looks crap - like a prototype which is not yet finished. Matt black carbon, and even, worse, black wheels when there's chrome around the windows. On a car which harks back to the 1970s? No. Silver wheels, please, and a gloss paint finish. Preferably not soporific black.

Bencolem

1,024 posts

240 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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That’s a rendering right? There must be like zero wheel travel (especially at the front) if that’s an actual car picture…

Baldchap

7,700 posts

93 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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I actually like this. It isn't the crazy numbers you sometimes see for stuff of this ilk, either.

Kipsrs

440 posts

50 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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Well. . The first three posts kinda nailed it getmecoat

Terminator X

15,154 posts

205 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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Fair play for anyone trying to keep cars light though.

TX.

CKY

1,411 posts

16 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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Baldchap said:
I actually like this. It isn't the crazy numbers you sometimes see for stuff of this ilk, either.
The price is pretty absurd for a Beetle.

WCZ

10,548 posts

195 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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looks horrific but nice weight

WPA

8,887 posts

115 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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Ray_Aber said:
It looks crap - like a prototype which is not yet finished. Matt black carbon, and even, worse, black wheels when there's chrome around the windows. On a car which harks back to the 1970s? No. Silver wheels, please, and a gloss paint finish. Preferably not soporific black.
Agreed

dxg

8,237 posts

261 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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What's going on with the panel gap at the front of the bonnet? It's different side to side.

TeeGTI

89 posts

9 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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Wow I love this, that first image is love

Silver wheels though please and budget an extra couple of £'s for PPF on top of the £340,000.

edoverheels

358 posts

106 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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Bencolem said:
That’s a rendering right? There must be like zero wheel travel (especially at the front) if that’s an actual car picture…
? - It's not even that low.

edoverheels

358 posts

106 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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Baldchap said:
I actually like this. It isn't the crazy numbers you sometimes see for stuff of this ilk, either.
Me too and much more interesting than another 2 tonne sports car with 1000bhp or whatever.

WPA

8,887 posts

115 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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edoverheels said:
Bencolem said:
That’s a rendering right? There must be like zero wheel travel (especially at the front) if that’s an actual car picture…
? - It's not even that low.
Does not seem like much clearance or travel to me.


Mark-C

5,172 posts

206 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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CKY said:
Baldchap said:
I actually like this. It isn't the crazy numbers you sometimes see for stuff of this ilk, either.
The price is pretty absurd for a Beetle.
Yawn ...

WPA

8,887 posts

115 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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Mark-C said:
CKY said:
Baldchap said:
I actually like this. It isn't the crazy numbers you sometimes see for stuff of this ilk, either.
The price is pretty absurd for a Beetle.
Yawn ...
Well a 912 is only a 4 cylinder, it is crazy money really

TimLam7

642 posts

126 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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I like it

To those saying "i'd rather spend the money on X". Nobody is browsing autotrader with a budget of £340k and wondering what car to buy.

I wonder if Porsche will have anything to say about Replacing the Porsche badge with Kamm. Another famous restomodder got dinged for this. I think they're within their rights to defend their IP and image.

Orchardab

452 posts

127 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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Bencolem said:
That’s a rendering right? There must be like zero wheel travel (especially at the front) if that’s an actual car picture…
I was thinking this when looking at the pics.
I love a 912, but would keep the donor and save the £pennies.

ducnick

1,801 posts

244 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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If they are making bespoke carbon wheels and bespoke carbon panels would you not expect them to be able to create a combination that allows the steering to be turned while driving the car on a normal road without rubber and bodywork coming into contact?

Skeptisk

7,552 posts

110 months

Friday 15th December 2023
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Depending upon the set up, this would likely be great fun to drive. However starting with a 912 seems like being different just for the sake of being different. A 2.7 or 2.8 would provide lots more torque, which would make the car much better when not ragging it but retain the rev happy nature.