RE: UK (finally) registers millionth electric vehicle

[Blib]

Nomme de Plum said:

Blib said:

I went one better/worse/whatever.

I paid for an ICE car to be converted to electric propulsion.

I think that's really cool albeit probably not inexpensive.

[whisper]It's a riot.[/whisper]

[SDK]

CoreyDog said:

I’d be interested more in how many of those are pre-registered EVs by the dealers, Auto Trader is flooded with them.

There are significantly more 'Brand New' registered fuel powered cars, than there are electric - well over double !


The current 'Brand New' view on AT

[spreadsheet monkey]

Xenoous said:

Is that it? Surprised to be honest. I still see EVs as a white goods kind of purchase. Will only ever be a head over heart thing. Not for me, for the foreseeable at least.

95% of all new cars sold are white goods. There isn't much overlap in the Venn diagram of "New car buyers" and "Pistonheads forum contributors".

Look at the Jan 2024 sales top 10 - Kia Sportage, Ford Puma, Nissan Qashqai, MG HS etc etc... who's getting excited about the engines in any of those cars, whether they're petrol, diesel or EV? Who's getting up early in the morning to take their brand new Nissan Juke or Hyundai Tucson out for a spirited cross-country drive? It doesn't really matter that EVs are "soulless white goods".

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2024/02/uk-reaches-million-...

[Demonix]

How many of the 1 million EV's are milk floats ? 😋

[WPA]

codenamecueball said:

another here.

cost me about £1400 to keep on the road last year including fuel, tax, servicing and insurance over 8,000 miles. not bad value for a car that prinicipally does around town driving. if i bought a quick piston car it would rarely get up to temperature and cost a fortune when it goes kaput. 0% finance so the stack of cash that would have gone to pay for it is earning 4%.

depreciation is another story and not great for me - bought when the market was heavily inflated so experienced rapid losses, but can't see it sliding much further and in any case depreciation is realised when i sell it which will be in a few years time.

£1400 a year for 8k miles seems a lot, shed motoring and I paid less than that for a car a few years ago, insurance was under £200 for the year, tax is cheap enough and I only do 3000 miles so not a huge fuel bill, no service last year only the mot @ £150 with a few minor repairs.

[myhandle]

The first electric car registered in the UK was in 2002? I’m fairly certain this is quite wrong, what about the electric 106 and the electric RAV4, both of which I saw before this date, as well as various niche cars, some of which were aimed at disabled drivers? And then going back to 1890 - 1900 or so a fair number of early cars were electric and I would imagine some of these would have been registered in the UK?

[schaeffs]

V 02 said:

Zero Fuchs said:

The decline in private sales is likely due to a combination of negative press and Liz Truss.

Current used values would appear to back that up as it's a great time to buy a year old EV. There are some stonking cars out there if you're in the market for a 12 month old car.

Yep, currently a lot of used EV bargains at most price points..

0-5K Nissan Leaf
5-10K Renault Zoe, Volkswagen small EV’s, BMW i3
10-20K most newer Stellantis EV’s, Tesla Model 3
20-30K - Audi E-Tron, Mercedes EQC, Jag iPace, Polestar 2
30-40K BMW i4, Kia EV6, Hyundai Ioniq models, Tesla Model X
40K-50K - Porsche Taycan, BMW iX
50K+ - Audi e-tron GT, Mercedes-Benz EQS

Totally agree on this - the best part about it is that you have a win-win situation going. The first owner is likely company bought, so gets all the tax advantages and doesn't care if it's worth less than 50% after 12m. The second owner gets an absolute bargain and still has all the benefits of the factory warranties (and sometimes servicing) to lean on if something does go wrong on it. Free market mechanics brought about by the government trying to get people to adopt in combination with cost/perception issues giving the second hand car buyer a once in a generation opportunity.

[Charlie_1]

Nomme de Plum said:

Don't they? Could make stopping interesting.

"A piston is a component of reciprocating engines, reciprocating pumps, gas compressors, hydraulic cylinders and pneumatic cylinders, among other similar mechanisms."

I think you know what I meant you aren't daft , But will give you that one

[Charlie_1]

V 02 said:

Charlie_1 said:

Well you could equally argue that why do people come to a site called PISTONheads when EV's dont have them

Yawn….

Yawn!!!! bigger yawn to the predictable response

[Foodhoover]

I suppose the pre ww1 electric vehicles did not count (nor did milk floats or trollybusses) or that weird thing that was shown on tomorrows world in the 70's

[ajap1979]

WPA said:

£1400 a year for 8k miles seems a lot...

Does it? A car averaging 40mpg will cost over £1200 just in fuel doing 8000 miles...

[V 02]

Charlie_1 said:

Yawn!!!! bigger yawn to the predictable response

OK Boomer…

Typical anti-woke boomer comment, why don’t you listen to Greta for once? Do you even care about climate change?

[Zero Fuchs]

schaeffs said:

V 02 said:

Zero Fuchs said:

The decline in private sales is likely due to a combination of negative press and Liz Truss.

Current used values would appear to back that up as it's a great time to buy a year old EV. There are some stonking cars out there if you're in the market for a 12 month old car.

Yep, currently a lot of used EV bargains at most price points..

0-5K Nissan Leaf
5-10K Renault Zoe, Volkswagen small EV’s, BMW i3
10-20K most newer Stellantis EV’s, Tesla Model 3
20-30K - Audi E-Tron, Mercedes EQC, Jag iPace, Polestar 2
30-40K BMW i4, Kia EV6, Hyundai Ioniq models, Tesla Model X
40K-50K - Porsche Taycan, BMW iX
50K+ - Audi e-tron GT, Mercedes-Benz EQS

Totally agree on this - the best part about it is that you have a win-win situation going. The first owner is likely company bought, so gets all the tax advantages and doesn't care if it's worth less than 50% after 12m. The second owner gets an absolute bargain and still has all the benefits of the factory warranties (and sometimes servicing) to lean on if something does go wrong on it. Free market mechanics brought about by the government trying to get people to adopt in combination with cost/perception issues giving the second hand car buyer a once in a generation opportunity.

Yes definitely. It's another nail in the coffin for all those moaning that EVs are too expensive. Although someone will now come along to tell me a 12 month old iPace for £30k is too expensive for someone with £50 to spend on a used car.

[V 02]

Zero Fuchs said:

Yes definitely. It's another nail in the coffin for all those moaning that EVs are too expensive. Although someone will now come along to tell me a 12 month old iPace for £30k is too expensive for someone with £50 to spend on a used car.

I really cannot think of a better value car currently than the iPace or e-Tron, or my favourite of them all, a Taycan. A 2 year old 4S for under £50k is just nuts, what a car.

There’s people in the Leasing thread that picked up 2 year old E-Trons on pcp for under £300 a month on a 2 year deal with £500 deposit, a free charger chucked in and a service plan… WTF levels kind of value.

Edited by V 02 on Monday 5th February 14:22

[Nomme de Plum]

Charlie_1 said:

I think you know what I meant you aren't daft , But will give you that one

i did

[P.Griffin]

Nomme de Plum said:

simundo777 said:

Mafioso said:

Surely nobody in their right mind actually buys an EV? I assume most on the road are fleet vehicles or leased?

Well anyone that did will be crying into their soya milk when they realise how much it's actually cost them!

2p per mile, cheap maintenance and loving it.

Sure, we get that electricity is cheaper than petrol, and you're not concerned with depreciation as they haven't bottomed out yet, but the current elephant in the room is insurance. I did a quote for a Taycan (as I didn't believe what someone had told me) and the quote came to roughly £3500. I'm old enough to know better with full no claims, the car will be garaged, and I live in a reasonable part of the South East. To put this in perspective, my Aston DBS was £500. 2p per mile isn't covering that.

[Sion111R]

As other have said already, there are some really tempting used EV’s around. And some great looking designs too. Certainly has me thinking about a lightly used EV as the next (non PistonHeads) family car - which is definitely not something I anticipated even just 18 months ago..

[Andy83n]

Any tax break on EVs is justmaking poor people pay to help rich people feel better thinking that they can change the weather by driving an expensive Car

[V 02]

P.Griffin said:

Sure, we get that electricity is cheaper than petrol, and you're not concerned with depreciation as they haven't bottomed out yet, but the current elephant in the room is insurance. I did a quote for a Taycan (as I didn't believe what someone had told me) and the quote came to roughly £3500. I'm old enough to know better with full no claims, the car will be garaged, and I live in a reasonable part of the South East. To put this in perspective, my Aston DBS was £500. 2p per mile isn't covering that.

I reckon that’s more to do with it being a Taycan than it being electric, they’ve had some teething issues


Out of interest, how much is the sister Audi RS e-tron to insure?


Note you will also save £675 on VED on a Taycan… and servicing costs will be less… brings it much closer to than the Aston than you’d think even with the price of insurance



Or maybe because you are called P. Griffin… have you found out how much it is to insure Lois instead?

[Nish Gnackers]

January's EV sales were 80% fleet/company vs 20% private.

This is out of kilter with the historic 55/45 (ish) split, maybe its a one off month as private individuals are holding off large purchases post Christmas expenses and /or booking Summer Holidays.