RE: Porsche Taycan goes faster and further, costs more
Discussion
As has been mentioned above, range is only really a concern for longer journeys, which tend to be on the motorway and there the previous Taycan really struggled.
In Winter conditions I was getting an average of 1.9-2.1 miles per KWh from the GTS, which is pretty atrocious. If you then have to stop at a public charger to fill up that makes for a very expensive trip.
In Winter conditions I was getting an average of 1.9-2.1 miles per KWh from the GTS, which is pretty atrocious. If you then have to stop at a public charger to fill up that makes for a very expensive trip.
The founder of the business I am involved with has a Taycan Turbo S. Range at this time of year is under 200 miles, he regularly drives with the heater off so he can get from central London to sites in Derbyshire without losing 40 minutes charging.
I have driven the car. When you get to a town it’s simply too big/wide to be anything other than annoying, it’s too wide to be quick on a decent b road. It has very little people space for a huge car.
The only thing it has is speed, but use that and the range suffers badly.
The new one only seems to be making a small range improvement.
I have driven the car. When you get to a town it’s simply too big/wide to be anything other than annoying, it’s too wide to be quick on a decent b road. It has very little people space for a huge car.
The only thing it has is speed, but use that and the range suffers badly.
The new one only seems to be making a small range improvement.
Spiros115 said:
Fair play if the range extensions are reflected in the real world seems like the Taycan has stepped the game on again in the luxury segment; that BMW i5m60 oh dear oh dear.
Still it also raises another practical concern which is the rate of EV development is surely going to leave the whole first generation of cars obsolete and confined to the scrap heap? Hopefully they can recycle parts and materials else it feels a huge anti-environmental waste issue that negates any benefit?
Still if you’re in the market for a lovely commuter car and only need to travel 150 ish miles at a time you’ll be soon be pretty sorted when residuals plummet
Not sure if confines them to the scrap heap, incremental improvements don’t render the previous ones useless but it will further dent values of older ones.Still it also raises another practical concern which is the rate of EV development is surely going to leave the whole first generation of cars obsolete and confined to the scrap heap? Hopefully they can recycle parts and materials else it feels a huge anti-environmental waste issue that negates any benefit?
Still if you’re in the market for a lovely commuter car and only need to travel 150 ish miles at a time you’ll be soon be pretty sorted when residuals plummet
I think any car with a useful range will get used until it drops below useful range.
It’s only the battery packs that present any challenges, the rest is pretty much as any other car, I suspect a lot will get manufactured, a lot end up as power walls as though they may be worn out for accelerating a car rapidly with the discharge that requires, they are still good for charging from solar power for domestic use.
Nobody seems all that fussed about the billions of old phones, laptops and whatever else that has batteries in, plus all of the single use ones in radios and remote controls. Think it will be an issue but they will by and large get re used or recycled.
PRO 5T said:
Something needs to be done about these WLTP numbers, it's a joke! Even more so than the old MPG numbers manufacturers used to quote.
Porsche are claiming "421 miles" WLTP and yet someone "managed" 340 on a pre-production? And presumably that would be in ideal situations.
So in winter over here you "might" get 300miles? Less than 3/4 of what the manufacturer is claiming? I mean c'mon, that is a joke.
Looks good in the baby blue colour as a hatch mind you. Very similar to the new MINI Cooper press release yesterday.
Also only charge it to 80% as the other 20% takes a few years apparently Porsche are claiming "421 miles" WLTP and yet someone "managed" 340 on a pre-production? And presumably that would be in ideal situations.
So in winter over here you "might" get 300miles? Less than 3/4 of what the manufacturer is claiming? I mean c'mon, that is a joke.
Looks good in the baby blue colour as a hatch mind you. Very similar to the new MINI Cooper press release yesterday.
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I think it looks really smart in the pictures, but seeing them out on the road, they're absolutely humungous for their body shape. I know someone's going to quote me dimensions and compare it to something else that's bloated but ICE, but these really do look big and bulbous to me for a 'sports car'.
ds666 said:
blueg33 said:
The founder of the business I am involved with has a Taycan Turbo S. Range at this time of year is under 200 miles, he regularly drives with the heater off so he can get from central London to sites in Derbyshire without losing 40 minutes charging.
I have driven the car. When you get to a town it’s simply too big/wide to be anything other than annoying, it’s too wide to be quick on a decent b road. It has very little people space for a huge car.
The only thing it has is speed, but use that and the range suffers badly.
The new one only seems to be making a small range improvement.
You are just wrong about how they drive . It shrinks in size when you are used to it . I have driven the car. When you get to a town it’s simply too big/wide to be anything other than annoying, it’s too wide to be quick on a decent b road. It has very little people space for a huge car.
The only thing it has is speed, but use that and the range suffers badly.
The new one only seems to be making a small range improvement.
But don’t forget we are taking about what is normally a daily driver , not a b road warrior or a city car .
CheesecakeRunner said:
Great update. The OutOfSpec review on YouTube showed it’s a massive improvement.
Charge port is still in a f
king stupid place though.
Is that the one where he drives it for 9hrs at 50mph with no air con and an almost misted up screen plus tries to not use wipers …. but he does get over 350miles. It’s worth watching to see the USA EV charging nightmare when it isn’t Tesla. First 5mins of film are them chasing around trying to find a working one and then join another long Q Charge port is still in a f
king stupid place though. PRO 5T said:
Something needs to be done about these WLTP numbers, it's a joke! Even more so than the old MPG numbers manufacturers used to quote.
Porsche are claiming "421 miles" WLTP and yet someone "managed" 340 on a pre-production? And presumably that would be in ideal situations.
So in winter over here you "might" get 300miles? Less than 3/4 of what the manufacturer is claiming? I mean c'mon, that is a joke.
Looks good in the baby blue colour as a hatch mind you. Very similar to the new MINI Cooper press release yesterday.
I agree, I don’t know how they get away with this nonsense. There are so many variables that you just have to ignore the published figures, the most accurate measure is the cars own journey planner. Porsche are claiming "421 miles" WLTP and yet someone "managed" 340 on a pre-production? And presumably that would be in ideal situations.
So in winter over here you "might" get 300miles? Less than 3/4 of what the manufacturer is claiming? I mean c'mon, that is a joke.
Looks good in the baby blue colour as a hatch mind you. Very similar to the new MINI Cooper press release yesterday.
In 5 years and 50,000 miles with the Tesla I’ve never noticed any discernible range difference with having the heating / aircon on or off. Ambient temperature and journey topography yes. If I sit in the car for 20 mins with the heat or cooling on it makes almost no difference to the range, certainly not something I’d realistically notice on a 200 mile journey over varied terrain.
It’s a Porsche. It’s a heart over head purchase, even in the company car BIK arena.
You certainly wouldn’t sign up for one of these if you had one eye on finances so saying it’s crap on economy, crap on range, stupidly wide for the UK and has the potential to lose your shirt, pants and trousers on depreciation is kind of irrelevant. People who want them will still buy them.
It’s all about the handling, performance, looks, image and feel good factor.. the same as a Tesla performance model it makes no practical sense whatsoever.
The hydraulic anti roll system sounds pretty clever though.. it could be applied to their other cars eg Cayenne. Has the intelliHydrolastic name been taken yet?
You certainly wouldn’t sign up for one of these if you had one eye on finances so saying it’s crap on economy, crap on range, stupidly wide for the UK and has the potential to lose your shirt, pants and trousers on depreciation is kind of irrelevant. People who want them will still buy them.
It’s all about the handling, performance, looks, image and feel good factor.. the same as a Tesla performance model it makes no practical sense whatsoever.
The hydraulic anti roll system sounds pretty clever though.. it could be applied to their other cars eg Cayenne. Has the intelliHydrolastic name been taken yet?
EV8 said:
86 said:
You won’t be able to give the existing one away they are already one of the fastest depreciating cars
Really? I bought my BMW 750 4-5years ago, 3years old, 45k miles for 46k€. List price was 180.000€. Nothing special on Taycan. When any new model is introduced it generally impacts negatively the price of the outgoing model. It's not a new phenomenon.
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