RE: Porsche Taycan goes faster and further, costs more
Discussion
redroadster said:
Insane acceleration insane depreciation ,which is a good thing because eventually I'll prob own one now range is improving ,heard mixed stories though of service costs tyre wear etc need to take these into account .
Pretty good handling too from my experience. If Porsche have sorted the gremlins this will sell well but suspect the Macan will be the one for many families.
ds666 said:
ds666 said:
blueg33 said:
The founder of the business I am involved with has a Taycan Turbo S. Range at this time of year is under 200 miles, he regularly drives with the heater off so he can get from central London to sites in Derbyshire without losing 40 minutes charging.
I have driven the car. When you get to a town it’s simply too big/wide to be anything other than annoying, it’s too wide to be quick on a decent b road. It has very little people space for a huge car.
The only thing it has is speed, but use that and the range suffers badly.
The new one only seems to be making a small range improvement.
You are just wrong about how they drive . It shrinks in size when you are used to it . I have driven the car. When you get to a town it’s simply too big/wide to be anything other than annoying, it’s too wide to be quick on a decent b road. It has very little people space for a huge car.
The only thing it has is speed, but use that and the range suffers badly.
The new one only seems to be making a small range improvement.
But don’t forget we are taking about what is normally a daily driver , not a b road warrior or a city car .
Surely a daily driver has to be liveable in cities and capable of playing on b roads?
Called into my local OPC last week, just after the new EV Macan had had it's global debut.
Within minutes I was asked if I wanted to order one. Err, no thanks.
Anyway, we did get talking about EV's in general. One of his comments was people who have bought Taycan's, 4S and above, many have complained about feeling nauseous, or their passengers feel nauseous with the acceleration.
And now, Porsche are selling a Taycan with 938bhp. It's getting very silly. A Taycan, which is meant to be a family car, will now probably be quicker that the Hypercar 918 Spyder.
The carrot for EV's is still the headline power figures, and the company car rules.
No private individual would buy a Taycan with their own money, where they would buy a 911.
The new Kia EV7 with twin motors is £75,000 before options.
But, thankfully the bubble looks to be bursting. Or at least rapidly deflating for EV's.
Having said all that, the Taycan Grand Turismo is quite a good looking car, especially in Red. Stick the 2.9l V6 TT in it, and I might be interested.
Within minutes I was asked if I wanted to order one. Err, no thanks.
Anyway, we did get talking about EV's in general. One of his comments was people who have bought Taycan's, 4S and above, many have complained about feeling nauseous, or their passengers feel nauseous with the acceleration.
And now, Porsche are selling a Taycan with 938bhp. It's getting very silly. A Taycan, which is meant to be a family car, will now probably be quicker that the Hypercar 918 Spyder.
The carrot for EV's is still the headline power figures, and the company car rules.
No private individual would buy a Taycan with their own money, where they would buy a 911.
The new Kia EV7 with twin motors is £75,000 before options.
But, thankfully the bubble looks to be bursting. Or at least rapidly deflating for EV's.
Having said all that, the Taycan Grand Turismo is quite a good looking car, especially in Red. Stick the 2.9l V6 TT in it, and I might be interested.
Edited by Wab1974uk on Wednesday 7th February 12:44
Hell of a car and it should be, when you spec the Turbo S to what your brain thinks a car should come with at that price it's £200k and a base model with what you'd expect is £105K without going daft.
I just don't see how they can hold on to their volume at these prices when you look at the residuals the gap the monthly payment needs to bridge is yawning.
Nomme de Plum said:
Terminator X said:
ajap1979 said:
MOOSECORTINA said:
EV - NO
Loving these posts. TX.
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Increased battery good but still not the revolution we're waiting on. Increased performance, I might need to hand in my Pistonheads membership, but pointless and quite frankly 0-60 in 2.3 is going to make your breakfast re-appear in even less time. The kids will be pinned to the back window like those Garfields that decorated Ford Escorts back in the 80's.
If I was after a fast EV, you can get a KIA EV6 GT for about 40K now. Not that i'm expecting a Turbo S customer to be cross shopping an EV6 GT.
If I was after a fast EV, you can get a KIA EV6 GT for about 40K now. Not that i'm expecting a Turbo S customer to be cross shopping an EV6 GT.
andy43 said:
It’s a Porsche. It’s a heart over head purchase, even in the company car BIK arena.
You certainly wouldn’t sign up for one of these if you had one eye on finances so saying it’s crap on economy, crap on range, stupidly wide for the UK and has the potential to lose your shirt, pants and trousers on depreciation is kind of irrelevant. People who want them will still buy them.?
My colleague, really wanted one hence he spent nearly £190k on a Taycan Turbo S. 12 months on he really doesn't want it and wont have another, because of the points I listed earlier. The kick in the teeth is that 3 Porsche dealers have refused top take it as p-ex and the one that will gives it a valuation that is considerably less than half of the purchase price.You certainly wouldn’t sign up for one of these if you had one eye on finances so saying it’s crap on economy, crap on range, stupidly wide for the UK and has the potential to lose your shirt, pants and trousers on depreciation is kind of irrelevant. People who want them will still buy them.?
Wab1974uk said:
Anyway, we did get talking about EV's in general. One of his comments was people who have bought Taycan's, 4S and above, many have complained about feeling nauseous, or their passengers feel nauseous with the acceleration.
I wonder if this is due to how the power delivery is set up? I have a Polestar 2, and have driven Teslas and VW ID3/4s, and the Teslas always left me feeling a bit quirky. blueg33 said:
ds666 said:
ds666 said:
blueg33 said:
The founder of the business I am involved with has a Taycan Turbo S. Range at this time of year is under 200 miles, he regularly drives with the heater off so he can get from central London to sites in Derbyshire without losing 40 minutes charging.
I have driven the car. When you get to a town it’s simply too big/wide to be anything other than annoying, it’s too wide to be quick on a decent b road. It has very little people space for a huge car.
The only thing it has is speed, but use that and the range suffers badly.
The new one only seems to be making a small range improvement.
You are just wrong about how they drive . It shrinks in size when you are used to it . I have driven the car. When you get to a town it’s simply too big/wide to be anything other than annoying, it’s too wide to be quick on a decent b road. It has very little people space for a huge car.
The only thing it has is speed, but use that and the range suffers badly.
The new one only seems to be making a small range improvement.
But don’t forget we are taking about what is normally a daily driver , not a b road warrior or a city car .
Surely a daily driver has to be liveable in cities and capable of playing on b roads?
blueg33 said:
andy43 said:
It’s a Porsche. It’s a heart over head purchase, even in the company car BIK arena.
You certainly wouldn’t sign up for one of these if you had one eye on finances so saying it’s crap on economy, crap on range, stupidly wide for the UK and has the potential to lose your shirt, pants and trousers on depreciation is kind of irrelevant. People who want them will still buy them.?
My colleague, really wanted one hence he spent nearly £190k on a Taycan Turbo S. 12 months on he really doesn't want it and wont have another, because of the points I listed earlier. The kick in the teeth is that 3 Porsche dealers have refused top take it as p-ex and the one that will gives it a valuation that is considerably less than half of the purchase price.You certainly wouldn’t sign up for one of these if you had one eye on finances so saying it’s crap on economy, crap on range, stupidly wide for the UK and has the potential to lose your shirt, pants and trousers on depreciation is kind of irrelevant. People who want them will still buy them.?
blueg33 said:
My colleague, really wanted one hence he spent nearly £190k on a Taycan Turbo S. 12 months on he really doesn't want it and wont have another, because of the points I listed earlier. The kick in the teeth is that 3 Porsche dealers have refused top take it as p-ex and the one that will gives it a valuation that is considerably less than half of the purchase price.
Ouch. Must be some awkward conversations being had in dealers with owners at the time to change… Just had a quick Google to see what the fastest depreciating cars are in the UK.
Was exactly as I expected. All big luxury cars like S Class, A8, 8 Series. Was surprised to see the Lexus LS though.
What was even more surprising was there are no electric car. Taycan doesn’t even show up in the top 20.
I checked multiple (reputable) sources and mostly similar.
Like I said, it was a quick google so I might be missing something so happy to be corrected.
Was exactly as I expected. All big luxury cars like S Class, A8, 8 Series. Was surprised to see the Lexus LS though.
What was even more surprising was there are no electric car. Taycan doesn’t even show up in the top 20.
I checked multiple (reputable) sources and mostly similar.
Like I said, it was a quick google so I might be missing something so happy to be corrected.
ajap1979 said:
blueg33 said:
andy43 said:
It’s a Porsche. It’s a heart over head purchase, even in the company car BIK arena.
You certainly wouldn’t sign up for one of these if you had one eye on finances so saying it’s crap on economy, crap on range, stupidly wide for the UK and has the potential to lose your shirt, pants and trousers on depreciation is kind of irrelevant. People who want them will still buy them.?
My colleague, really wanted one hence he spent nearly £190k on a Taycan Turbo S. 12 months on he really doesn't want it and wont have another, because of the points I listed earlier. The kick in the teeth is that 3 Porsche dealers have refused top take it as p-ex and the one that will gives it a valuation that is considerably less than half of the purchase price.You certainly wouldn’t sign up for one of these if you had one eye on finances so saying it’s crap on economy, crap on range, stupidly wide for the UK and has the potential to lose your shirt, pants and trousers on depreciation is kind of irrelevant. People who want them will still buy them.?
blueg33 said:
Good question re the test drive, and I haven't asked him. probably the usual relatively limited test drive, or Porsche saying if you want one you have to just take one, I think he ordered about 2 years ago, even on regular electric cars like the Ioniq 5 it was hard to get a test drive then, but I am just speculating.
I've always found Porsche more than happy to allow me to take car for several hours and offer even longer should I wish.PRO 5T said:
Something needs to be done about these WLTP numbers, it's a joke! Even more so than the old MPG numbers manufacturers used to quote.
Porsche are claiming "421 miles" WLTP and yet someone "managed" 340 on a pre-production? And presumably that would be in ideal situations.
The same inaccuracy exists with WLTP fuel consumption figures, but people obsess less about them because range on a tank is less of a concern. They're only really any use for comparing cars rather than estimating actual range.Porsche are claiming "421 miles" WLTP and yet someone "managed" 340 on a pre-production? And presumably that would be in ideal situations.
It would be more practically useful to go back to the ancient urban / constant 55 / constant 75 figures.
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