RE: Land Rover Defender (L663) | PH Used Buying Guide
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I’m another very happy D250 110 owner which has been so far fault free in 10’000 miles. Same experience as a friend of mine that has the hybrid version. Whenever I take a look at the Defender forum that also seems to be the experience of most owners so whilst there may be outliers it does appear to be a reliable car overall and feels well made to me.
I’m also a Lewis Hamilton fan and a cyclist.
I’m also a Lewis Hamilton fan and a cyclist.
GianiCakes said:
I’m another very happy D250 110 owner which has been so far fault free in 10’000 miles. Same experience as a friend of mine that has the hybrid version. Whenever I take a look at the Defender forum that also seems to be the experience of most owners so whilst there may be outliers it does appear to be a reliable car overall and feels well made to me.
I’m also a Lewis Hamilton fan and a cyclist.
I was with you till the last bit.I’m also a Lewis Hamilton fan and a cyclist.
cerb4.5lee said:
Firebobby said:
cerb4.5lee said:
It would only make me angry if I'm honest, because even cyclists can ride 2 abreast now, and I think that idea stinks.
Cyclists have always been able to ride two abreast under the right circumstances. I hope you're not on of the " you don't pay pay road tax" brigade? Perhaps the old adage of "walk a mile in another man's shoes" before you call him applies here? Cycle a mile and behold the ignorance of many many drivers. Not all I hasten to add, but I'd wager those drivers also cycle!!!I'm not a "you don't pay road tax" type, but I just hate cyclists that's all.
I nipped to the shops to post some parcels on my shopping bike last week, nipped to the parents and a mooch back via the lanes round the airport, do I qualify as a cyclist ?
I find it weird people rule out a whole mode of transport because some people who use it may be inconsiderate, or in some cases their intentions or reasoning not understood by someone who has never been on a bike and prefers not to be overtaken at proximity and speed by a two ton box.
I am at pains when riding to behave, not get in the way, be considerate and show my appreciation for good driving.
As for the Defender, quite like them, but 50 grand seems a lot for a four year old one at the bottom of the market, suppose it shows how trendy they have become, think they look best with the steel wheels and no 80s childs lunchbox on the back window/
Not all cyclists are millitant, self absorbed knobheads like the trope, most are just trying to keep safe in a hostile environment
I think as with most cars prices have risen in the last 4yrs. The entry price was I believe about £49k in 2020. So some cars have stood still due to world events and price rises. Mine was £62k including £6 k extras in 2022. Same car now is about £78k. This has softened some of the expected depreciation.
Mikebentley said:
GianiCakes said:
I’m another very happy D250 110 owner which has been so far fault free in 10’000 miles. Same experience as a friend of mine that has the hybrid version. Whenever I take a look at the Defender forum that also seems to be the experience of most owners so whilst there may be outliers it does appear to be a reliable car overall and feels well made to me.
I’m also a Lewis Hamilton fan and a cyclist.
I was with you till the last bit.I’m also a Lewis Hamilton fan and a cyclist.
J4CKO said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Firebobby said:
cerb4.5lee said:
It would only make me angry if I'm honest, because even cyclists can ride 2 abreast now, and I think that idea stinks.
Cyclists have always been able to ride two abreast under the right circumstances. I hope you're not on of the " you don't pay pay road tax" brigade? Perhaps the old adage of "walk a mile in another man's shoes" before you call him applies here? Cycle a mile and behold the ignorance of many many drivers. Not all I hasten to add, but I'd wager those drivers also cycle!!!I'm not a "you don't pay road tax" type, but I just hate cyclists that's all.
I just go on the odd mad rant occasionally that's all!
paul13 said:
Not the recent extension to the scheme he didn't, that was the clown Khan
Doesn’t matter.The fact it was initially pushed by bozo the clown…I mean Boris Johnson demonstrates that this is not a “lefty” issue.
Jeez, why people need to be partisan about everything nowadays! Stick to the facts! I had enough of this footballisation of every aspect of life
m62tu said:
How is the leather quality on these? They look BMW sensa-tec like, durable long wearing but nasty to touch an feel. I feel like napa grade leather would suit it considering most are driven on asphalt not on safaris.
The base leather is definitely a nice leather. It's certain a level above the basic scratchy 'Vernasca' BMW leather. It's pretty thick but pliable feeling.You can also option the "windsor" leather which features as standard on the new Range Rovers.
MotorSpeak said:
They have very good pedestrian detection and automatic emergency braking. So certainly a degree safer for pedestrians than any vehicles older than 5-6 years which don't have this tech.
They're also nice and visible for pedestrians, and as a driver you great visibility too - sitting high above most regular cars. Giving you a distinct advantage over regular car drivers who are sat in amongst the traffic with visibility of only the car in front.
It's also not a vehicle that gets thrashed around. If you're driving a defender, your probably not that interested in breaking landspeed records in built up areas.
The only thing I'd add which isn't realyl covered in the article, is that the early generated 4 pot engines were replaced entirely in the range quite early on the first year or two. I remember reading about engine issues with these 4 pots, but I couldn't honestly state that they were better or worse than the 6 cylinder engines. However, LR decided to completely cut out the 4 pot powertrain early - that for me, is evidence enough that these were causing more problems than they were worth. So as a used buyer, i'd rule out the 4pots.
XplusYplusZ said:
However, LR decided to completely cut out the 4 pot powertrain early - that for me, is evidence enough that these were causing more problems than they were worth. So as a used buyer, i'd rule out the 4pots
I imagine the six was always the intention - the six cylinder diesels are much nicer. Borrowed a P300 for a bit and would definitely take a D250/300 over it.sideways sid said:
Slightly tangential but what happened to John Howell, who wrote some excellent stuff for PH and ran one of these as a long-termer between London and his farm in Wales?
He seems to have disappeared without trace!
I thought exactly the same recently too, and I always enjoyed reading his articles as well. He seems to have disappeared without trace!
XplusYplusZ said:
The only thing I'd add which isn't realyl covered in the article, is that the early generated 4 pot engines were replaced entirely in the range quite early on the first year or two. I remember reading about engine issues with these 4 pots, but I couldn't honestly state that they were better or worse than the 6 cylinder engines. However, LR decided to completely cut out the 4 pot powertrain early - that for me, is evidence enough that these were causing more problems than they were worth. So as a used buyer, i'd rule out the 4pots.
It’s exactly why when in autumn 2021 whilst ordering mine I specified the 6 cyl engine in mine. I had been watching a father and son TubeYou off road channel and the dad had a 4 cyl 110. He was a massive fan of JLR. It developed a mystery fault that the dealer in Colorado I think couldn’t fix. Then JLR USA flew in their best person who couldn’t fix it. They then flew in someone from either UK or Slovakia and clearly couldn’t fix it as they gave him a 6 cyl. This channel has millions of subscribers so the fact that they pretty much said zero about the fault after the swap and JLR quietly at the same time dropped the 4 cyl from production said enough for me. I’m also a fan of straight six cars. Very happy with mine but personally wouldn’t buy a 4 pot.
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