RE: 2024 Range Rover Sport SV | PH Review
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NomduJour said:
biggbn said:
Each to their own man. For my eyes there is nothing classy about this or the new FFRR, I find it kinda sad. I am, however, sure the sales figured will prove me to be in a minority as ever!!
I think you need to view it in context - look at the alternatives.NomduJour said:
Not sure it’s least worst, an L460 is a very clean design. Reservations about the back lights and the sills, but it’s on another planet compared with a Bentayga or an X7 or a GLS etc.
Like I said man, each to their own. To my eyes it/they look like a soap model of the previous models that have been left in the bath for too long! Lazy, derivative styling and not in a good way. Different folks like different things and that's cool. Mikebentley said:
biggbn is a man of strange tastes. I’m sure he would take a pink Micra convertible or a Nissan Juke in yellow over this new Range Rover but he is definitely a weird fish with his car tastes which I do actually applaud. I think it’s epic but I especially like the L460.
Whilst I do like a pink Micra CC and I do like the Juke, I'd rather have any Range Rover. I have strange tastes, but I'm not an idiot! 
Popped into my local dealer yesterday.
There were 4 of these available and was given a hint of a deal to be had.
I remember when I enquired when upon launch I was told no chance as they were only being allocated 2 and they were spoken for.
There were at least 4 unregistred full fat Range Rover SVs, and around 8 or 9 of the 'new' model brand new to purchase.
When I bought the ones I had, they were trying to force me to sign a form with regards selling them on.
Amazing how it's changed in 12 months.
There were 4 of these available and was given a hint of a deal to be had.
I remember when I enquired when upon launch I was told no chance as they were only being allocated 2 and they were spoken for.
There were at least 4 unregistred full fat Range Rover SVs, and around 8 or 9 of the 'new' model brand new to purchase.
When I bought the ones I had, they were trying to force me to sign a form with regards selling them on.
Amazing how it's changed in 12 months.
Wheelspinning said:
Popped into my local dealer yesterday.
There were 4 of these available and was given a hint of a deal to be had.
I remember when I enquired when upon launch I was told no chance as they were only being allocated 2 and they were spoken for.
There were at least 4 unregistred full fat Range Rover SVs, and around 8 or 9 of the 'new' model brand new to purchase.
When I bought the ones I had, they were trying to force me to sign a form with regards selling them on.
Amazing how it's changed in 12 months.
Sounds like a great way to spunk a load of cash, there’s always the other option of going to a Casino and choosing red or black. Problem with option 2 is you could actually win. I don’t think buying a new SV is a risk I could take but each to their own. I say this as a Range Rover lover ( previous owner) and current 2 yr old Defender from new. I’m about to stick my personal plate on the Defender as it’s been so good and is worth what I paid 2 yrs ago. If I trade it in for a new one all that would change would be my bank account by about -£25k due to the price rises.There were 4 of these available and was given a hint of a deal to be had.
I remember when I enquired when upon launch I was told no chance as they were only being allocated 2 and they were spoken for.
There were at least 4 unregistred full fat Range Rover SVs, and around 8 or 9 of the 'new' model brand new to purchase.
When I bought the ones I had, they were trying to force me to sign a form with regards selling them on.
Amazing how it's changed in 12 months.
Wheelspinning said:
Popped into my local dealer yesterday.
There were 4 of these available and was given a hint of a deal to be had.
I remember when I enquired when upon launch I was told no chance as they were only being allocated 2 and they were spoken for.
There were at least 4 unregistred full fat Range Rover SVs, and around 8 or 9 of the 'new' model brand new to purchase.
When I bought the ones I had, they were trying to force me to sign a form with regards selling them on.
Amazing how it's changed in 12 months.
I’m not sure you know what a Sport SV actually is since these are completely sold out for at least 2 years.There were 4 of these available and was given a hint of a deal to be had.
I remember when I enquired when upon launch I was told no chance as they were only being allocated 2 and they were spoken for.
There were at least 4 unregistred full fat Range Rover SVs, and around 8 or 9 of the 'new' model brand new to purchase.
When I bought the ones I had, they were trying to force me to sign a form with regards selling them on.
Amazing how it's changed in 12 months.
You may have seen an SV badge on the back of a couple of Sports or a FF RR…that just means it’s had the SV bespoke options added (like special paint or a deviated interior), not that it’s a Sport SV as per in this article. It’s a bit like the Porsche Sondermunsch logo the Paint to Sample cars now get.
RacerMike said:
Wheelspinning said:
Popped into my local dealer yesterday.
There were 4 of these available and was given a hint of a deal to be had.
I remember when I enquired when upon launch I was told no chance as they were only being allocated 2 and they were spoken for.
There were at least 4 unregistred full fat Range Rover SVs, and around 8 or 9 of the 'new' model brand new to purchase.
When I bought the ones I had, they were trying to force me to sign a form with regards selling them on.
Amazing how it's changed in 12 months.
I’m not sure you know what a Sport SV actually is since these are completely sold out for at least 2 years.There were 4 of these available and was given a hint of a deal to be had.
I remember when I enquired when upon launch I was told no chance as they were only being allocated 2 and they were spoken for.
There were at least 4 unregistred full fat Range Rover SVs, and around 8 or 9 of the 'new' model brand new to purchase.
When I bought the ones I had, they were trying to force me to sign a form with regards selling them on.
Amazing how it's changed in 12 months.
You may have seen an SV badge on the back of a couple of Sports or a FF RR…that just means it’s had the SV bespoke options added (like special paint or a deviated interior), not that it’s a Sport SV as per in this article. It’s a bit like the Porsche Sondermunsch logo the Paint to Sample cars now get.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403147...
Even got the carbon wheels on this one
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404198...
RacerMike said:
I’m not sure you know what a Sport SV actually is since these are completely sold out for at least 2 years.
You may have seen an SV badge on the back of a couple of Sports or a FF RR…that just means it’s had the SV bespoke options added (like special paint or a deviated interior), not that it’s a Sport SV as per in this article. It’s a bit like the Porsche Sondermunsch logo the Paint to Sample cars now get.
Hi Mike. Your probably right.You may have seen an SV badge on the back of a couple of Sports or a FF RR…that just means it’s had the SV bespoke options added (like special paint or a deviated interior), not that it’s a Sport SV as per in this article. It’s a bit like the Porsche Sondermunsch logo the Paint to Sample cars now get.
I must have mistaken the the 3 brand new unregistred £180k Range Rover Sport SVs even though I was sitting in one and talking to the sales guy about it.
Dunno how I made that mistake.
They are definately not sold out, and available to buy today; a quick look on autotrader shows its easy to buy below list with delivery miles.
Wheelspinning said:
RacerMike said:
I’m not sure you know what a Sport SV actually is since these are completely sold out for at least 2 years.
You may have seen an SV badge on the back of a couple of Sports or a FF RR…that just means it’s had the SV bespoke options added (like special paint or a deviated interior), not that it’s a Sport SV as per in this article. It’s a bit like the Porsche Sondermunsch logo the Paint to Sample cars now get.
Hi Mike. Your probably right.You may have seen an SV badge on the back of a couple of Sports or a FF RR…that just means it’s had the SV bespoke options added (like special paint or a deviated interior), not that it’s a Sport SV as per in this article. It’s a bit like the Porsche Sondermunsch logo the Paint to Sample cars now get.
I must have mistaken the the 3 brand new unregistred £180k Range Rover Sport SVs even though I was sitting in one and talking to the sales guy about it.
Dunno how I made that mistake.
They are definately not sold out, and available to buy today; a quick look on autotrader shows its easy to buy below list with delivery miles.
Julian Scott said:
Wheelspinning said:
RacerMike said:
I’m not sure you know what a Sport SV actually is since these are completely sold out for at least 2 years.
You may have seen an SV badge on the back of a couple of Sports or a FF RR…that just means it’s had the SV bespoke options added (like special paint or a deviated interior), not that it’s a Sport SV as per in this article. It’s a bit like the Porsche Sondermunsch logo the Paint to Sample cars now get.
Hi Mike. Your probably right.You may have seen an SV badge on the back of a couple of Sports or a FF RR…that just means it’s had the SV bespoke options added (like special paint or a deviated interior), not that it’s a Sport SV as per in this article. It’s a bit like the Porsche Sondermunsch logo the Paint to Sample cars now get.
I must have mistaken the the 3 brand new unregistred £180k Range Rover Sport SVs even though I was sitting in one and talking to the sales guy about it.
Dunno how I made that mistake.
They are definately not sold out, and available to buy today; a quick look on autotrader shows its easy to buy below list with delivery miles.
A friends uncle also had to pull some strings through contacts he had at Tata to get an allocation when he wanted to place an order last year (it arrives this week).
Clearly there are cars for sale in dealerships, but that doesn’t change the fact that actually ordering one isn’t possible. The ones I can see on auto trader are largely all above list (does seem like a few are slightly below). I guess with the current insurance issues, it’s quite possible that some who had allocations couldn’t collect due to being denied cover…but that’s a whole other topic!
RacerMike said:
Julian Scott said:
Wheelspinning said:
RacerMike said:
I’m not sure you know what a Sport SV actually is since these are completely sold out for at least 2 years.
You may have seen an SV badge on the back of a couple of Sports or a FF RR…that just means it’s had the SV bespoke options added (like special paint or a deviated interior), not that it’s a Sport SV as per in this article. It’s a bit like the Porsche Sondermunsch logo the Paint to Sample cars now get.
Hi Mike. Your probably right.You may have seen an SV badge on the back of a couple of Sports or a FF RR…that just means it’s had the SV bespoke options added (like special paint or a deviated interior), not that it’s a Sport SV as per in this article. It’s a bit like the Porsche Sondermunsch logo the Paint to Sample cars now get.
I must have mistaken the the 3 brand new unregistred £180k Range Rover Sport SVs even though I was sitting in one and talking to the sales guy about it.
Dunno how I made that mistake.
They are definately not sold out, and available to buy today; a quick look on autotrader shows its easy to buy below list with delivery miles.
A friends uncle also had to pull some strings through contacts he had at Tata to get an allocation when he wanted to place an order last year (it arrives this week).
Clearly there are cars for sale in dealerships, but that doesn’t change the fact that actually ordering one isn’t possible. The ones I can see on auto trader are largely all above list (does seem like a few are slightly below). I guess with the current insurance issues, it’s quite possible that some who had allocations couldn’t collect due to being denied cover…but that’s a whole other topic!
None of them allocated, all for sale, and as mentioned, there was a hint of a deal to be done.
If you cannot order one, it's probably due to them wanting to try and offload the pre-spec'd ones they pushed onto dealers first.
I was actually in for a specific colour big brother Range Rover SV, the 550e version, not a Range Rover Sport.
They actually had around 5 of the full fat Ranger Rover SVs in different engine guises unregistred available for sale, along with maybe 6 or 7 Autobiography, HSE and SE models, again, all brand new available for sale.
When I placed my order in for the new shape back in September '22 on announcement, I was told JLR management were going to limit each dealer with 30 big rangeys, around 60 sports, and when sport SV launched, 2 per dealer, all per year to keep values up.
Well that's definitely changed.
My dealer bought my 2 previous allocations back at exactly what I paid for them 6 months afterceach purchase.
Them days are also long gone.
Hence why the big Range Rover SV were selling at £30k over list Jan '23, and now a 12mth old low mile one can be had for around £40k under list.
Discounts are readily available, with even bigger discounts on the way, including the Range Rover Sport SV.
What a shambles.
The new shape of each are great, great motors though, so it's all about trying to gauge a reasonably safe purchase price now that your not going to be utterly spanked on.
On topic, i can easily see Range Rover Sport SVs being around £150k or less by late summer with low miles.
Wheelspinning said:
Well, the dealer I was at had 4; the one I was sitting in with the sales guy, and 3 others still in the protective delivery firm.
None of them allocated, all for sale, and as mentioned, there was a hint of a deal to be done.
If you cannot order one, it's probably due to them wanting to try and offload the pre-spec'd ones they pushed onto dealers first.
I was actually in for a specific colour big brother Range Rover SV, the 550e version, not a Range Rover Sport.
They actually had around 5 of the full fat Ranger Rover SVs in different engine guises unregistred available for sale, along with maybe 6 or 7 Autobiography, HSE and SE models, again, all brand new available for sale.
When I placed my order in for the new shape back in September '22 on announcement, I was told JLR management were going to limit each dealer with 30 big rangeys, around 60 sports, and when sport SV launched, 2 per dealer, all per year to keep values up.
Well that's definitely changed.
My dealer bought my 2 previous allocations back at exactly what I paid for them 6 months afterceach purchase.
Them days are also long gone.
Hence why the big Range Rover SV were selling at £30k over list Jan '23, and now a 12mth old low mile one can be had for around £40k under list.
Discounts are readily available, with even bigger discounts on the way, including the Range Rover Sport SV.
What a shambles.
The new shape of each are great, great motors though, so it's all about trying to gauge a reasonably safe purchase price now that your not going to be utterly spanked on.
On topic, i can easily see Range Rover Sport SVs being around £150k or less by late summer with low miles.
The main issue with all car manufacturers at the moment is supply chain. They’ve worked through most of the major showstoppers but getting chips/wiring/engines is still a big bottleneck. As such, most manufacturers are having to very carefully plan their market split and as such you can’t get certain engines or specs in some markets…for instance you can’t order a V8 Range at all at the moment in the UK.None of them allocated, all for sale, and as mentioned, there was a hint of a deal to be done.
If you cannot order one, it's probably due to them wanting to try and offload the pre-spec'd ones they pushed onto dealers first.
I was actually in for a specific colour big brother Range Rover SV, the 550e version, not a Range Rover Sport.
They actually had around 5 of the full fat Ranger Rover SVs in different engine guises unregistred available for sale, along with maybe 6 or 7 Autobiography, HSE and SE models, again, all brand new available for sale.
When I placed my order in for the new shape back in September '22 on announcement, I was told JLR management were going to limit each dealer with 30 big rangeys, around 60 sports, and when sport SV launched, 2 per dealer, all per year to keep values up.
Well that's definitely changed.
My dealer bought my 2 previous allocations back at exactly what I paid for them 6 months afterceach purchase.
Them days are also long gone.
Hence why the big Range Rover SV were selling at £30k over list Jan '23, and now a 12mth old low mile one can be had for around £40k under list.
Discounts are readily available, with even bigger discounts on the way, including the Range Rover Sport SV.
What a shambles.
The new shape of each are great, great motors though, so it's all about trying to gauge a reasonably safe purchase price now that your not going to be utterly spanked on.
On topic, i can easily see Range Rover Sport SVs being around £150k or less by late summer with low miles.
I’m pretty sure there isn’t any intentional blocking of orders on things like SV since higher spec cars are a huge money maker. ‘Protecting values’ simply wouldn’t be a benefit to the manufacturer, so there would be absolutely zero reason to do this. It would be counter productive in fact as arguably the initial buzz is what sells the most vehicles. Especially in competitive niches like performance SUVs which are cross shopped a lot. A customer who may be interested in a RR Sport SV will be much more likely to go and buy a Cayenne Turbo S if they’re told they can’t get one or have to wait twice as long.
That’s not to say that the whole dealership situation across the whole car industry isn’t totally broken. I helped a friend do some car shopping on Saturday and it was fascinating how little effort some brands make with customers (Nissan) and how much some others do (Volvo). When a finance deal is within £10 it genuinely is enough to easily sway a floating customer….and yet manufacturers and dealerships seem stuck in the 90s and seem totally out of touch with what modern customers want.
Glenn63 said:
It’s just the games they play, ‘sell out’ to dealers then they can play the ‘I may have one available but over list if your quick’ to get people to pay even more so they can have the ‘sold out’ latest and greatest. They were never sold out to public individuals.
Think about what you’ve said logically though. Why would artificially limiting supply of one of the most profitable variants make any sense as a manufacturer?Making as many as possible is quite literally the most beneficial thing for the OEM to do. Only the dealers then loose out later on when they have tonnes of them to sell 3 years down the line, but the profitability of Sytner’s approved used business is unlikely to be much of a concern for JLR.
Porsche themselves have said many times that they’ve made increasingly larger numbers of GT cars with every new generation and they continue to end up sold out. As mentioned above, there are lots of limiting factors in car production at the moment, and they are nothing to do with ‘limiting supply to make people want them more’ because making money simply doesn’t work like that. You sell as many as you can possibly make.
I fully understand your logic, and that basically worked for the last 3 years until around October last year.
A quick look on Autotrader and my experience last Friday indicates there are far,far more RRS SVs available than there are buyers.
McLaren learned the hard way about churning out pre spe'd cars and loading the dealers up with them.
Caused huge oversupply, they had to offer insane discounts / finance offers and trashed the pre owned prices.
Every new car at the dealer I was at has a huge monthly stocking charge applied, and there must have been 25 brand new Range Rovers from £99k to just under £200k.
As an example, my local OPC has a stock charge on brand new 992 turbo s of just over £2k a month.
Getting in lots of brand new stock is great if it sells, but that's not the case currently.
A quick look on Autotrader and my experience last Friday indicates there are far,far more RRS SVs available than there are buyers.
McLaren learned the hard way about churning out pre spe'd cars and loading the dealers up with them.
Caused huge oversupply, they had to offer insane discounts / finance offers and trashed the pre owned prices.
Every new car at the dealer I was at has a huge monthly stocking charge applied, and there must have been 25 brand new Range Rovers from £99k to just under £200k.
As an example, my local OPC has a stock charge on brand new 992 turbo s of just over £2k a month.
Getting in lots of brand new stock is great if it sells, but that's not the case currently.
RacerMike said:
Glenn63 said:
It’s just the games they play, ‘sell out’ to dealers then they can play the ‘I may have one available but over list if your quick’ to get people to pay even more so they can have the ‘sold out’ latest and greatest. They were never sold out to public individuals.
Think about what you’ve said logically though. Why would artificially limiting supply of one of the most profitable variants make any sense as a manufacturer?Making as many as possible is quite literally the most beneficial thing for the OEM to do. Only the dealers then loose out later on when they have tonnes of them to sell 3 years down the line, but the profitability of Sytner’s approved used business is unlikely to be much of a concern for JLR.
Porsche themselves have said many times that they’ve made increasingly larger numbers of GT cars with every new generation and they continue to end up sold out. As mentioned above, there are lots of limiting factors in car production at the moment, and they are nothing to do with ‘limiting supply to make people want them more’ because making money simply doesn’t work like that. You sell as many as you can possibly make.
Glenn63 said:
RacerMike said:
Glenn63 said:
It’s just the games they play, ‘sell out’ to dealers then they can play the ‘I may have one available but over list if your quick’ to get people to pay even more so they can have the ‘sold out’ latest and greatest. They were never sold out to public individuals.
Think about what you’ve said logically though. Why would artificially limiting supply of one of the most profitable variants make any sense as a manufacturer?Making as many as possible is quite literally the most beneficial thing for the OEM to do. Only the dealers then loose out later on when they have tonnes of them to sell 3 years down the line, but the profitability of Sytner’s approved used business is unlikely to be much of a concern for JLR.
Porsche themselves have said many times that they’ve made increasingly larger numbers of GT cars with every new generation and they continue to end up sold out. As mentioned above, there are lots of limiting factors in car production at the moment, and they are nothing to do with ‘limiting supply to make people want them more’ because making money simply doesn’t work like that. You sell as many as you can possibly make.
Some people have clearly ordered them and flipped them, but if the 18 on Autotrader represents the majority of the cars made, then the whole programme was more definitely not worth the money! Not everything in the world has to be a conspiracy. In this instance, they are indeed broadly being ordered faster than they can make them.
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