RE: All-new Ineos Fusilier revealed as electric 4x4
Discussion
Lefty said:
The QM is a waste of time because of the tiny load capacity and crappy rear legroom. Shame, lost opportunity but the changing tax rules for DCPU’s have actually negated the faults of the Ineos to a certain extent, sales of double cabs are going to plummet
That is very market dependent though. Not every country will have the same taxation rules, and not everyone buys pick-ups because of load capacity. I live in Jeddah in Saudi Arabia, and see endless F-150s, Rams etc etc. Most of them are just used as cars and never have anything meaningful put in the back of them.No thanks
I don’t fancy buying an SUV/EV knowing the proceeds re going to help Man United in the long run 🤣
Jokes aside, I do find it disappointing that the car market has gone crazy for SUVs. If I was ever to buy an SUV, I’d probably want a small saloon (A4/3 series/C class size).
Other than the Tesla Model 3 and BMW i4 there isn’t much else in that shape that’s a sensible price (and I’m not sure on the Tesla’s appearance)
I don’t fancy buying an SUV/EV knowing the proceeds re going to help Man United in the long run 🤣
Jokes aside, I do find it disappointing that the car market has gone crazy for SUVs. If I was ever to buy an SUV, I’d probably want a small saloon (A4/3 series/C class size).
Other than the Tesla Model 3 and BMW i4 there isn’t much else in that shape that’s a sensible price (and I’m not sure on the Tesla’s appearance)
DonkeyApple said:
Conversely, if one looks at how modern SUVs are used in a world where all roads are now paved, the market for trick modern offroad stuff has never been larger. It's just that the tricks have changed. This particular car isn't a 4x4 but an SUV. With SUVs you want to optimise the quality of road tyres as that's where these cars are designed to function but with really good electronics to compensate for the subsequent failings of those tyres when there is some snow on the road or a need to cross a field to an event.
That's not being facetious about modern off-roading but facing the reality that how we use such cars today modern electronics can almost completely compensate for using road tyres on a car that is driven 99.9% of the time on road.
A few years ago this was brought home to me when we were mucking about with Range Rovers in a friends field while the children were tobogganing. We have a Classic, P38, L322 and also an L405. None had offroad tyres. The younger the car and the more laden with grip tech it was the further up the slope it could manage. And the you heat Range Rovers are exceptional on snowy roads and across wet fields with summer tyres on.
So one imagines that skateboard EVs have the potential to improve that control even further and find more conditions where normal road tyres remain reliable and usable?
The thing is there are already dozens of AWD crossover SUVs with independent suspension, road tyres and traction control on the market. This could and IMO should offer a different proposition for those that need (or want) to venture a litte further from the beaten path...although the whole BEV part looks like it'll put a fair few limitations on that. I hope they have very, very substantial underbody protection if they are using a skateboard layout!That's not being facetious about modern off-roading but facing the reality that how we use such cars today modern electronics can almost completely compensate for using road tyres on a car that is driven 99.9% of the time on road.
A few years ago this was brought home to me when we were mucking about with Range Rovers in a friends field while the children were tobogganing. We have a Classic, P38, L322 and also an L405. None had offroad tyres. The younger the car and the more laden with grip tech it was the further up the slope it could manage. And the you heat Range Rovers are exceptional on snowy roads and across wet fields with summer tyres on.
So one imagines that skateboard EVs have the potential to improve that control even further and find more conditions where normal road tyres remain reliable and usable?
Clivey said:
The thing is there are already dozens of AWD crossover SUVs with independent suspension, road tyres and traction control on the market. This could and IMO should offer a different proposition for those that need (or want) to venture a litte further from the beaten path...although the whole BEV part looks like it'll put a fair few limitations on that. I hope they have very, very substantial underbody protection if they are using a skateboard layout!
But the USPs are that it looks like a G Wagon bit half the price, Jim gets to say he's beaten evil JLR to EV an Man U fans get to drive around London is something fun?I'm sure they'll talk a lot about it being for real men needing to traverse mountains but will know that they'll all be suburban runabouts.
Hicksy said:
They can't make my 3500 mile Grenedier work properly or stay watertight so cant see how they will make an even more complicated electric vehicle work reliably
This is the issue none of the motoring magazines/blogs seem to understand when they heap praise on INEOS and Grenadier/this new EV. They opted for a rag-tag bag of UK agents - some agricutlural dealers and 4x4 specialists among them - entirely ill-equipped to deal with modern cars let alone an EV. My VW EV had a huge list of issues that even a veteran VW dealer and VW technical couldn't adequately fix and it's well reported that some Grenadier owners have simple issues that agents/INEOS are struggling to fix. I can't see the common issues everyone has with EVs - be it a Tesla or an MG - like software and battery/charging faults, being easily resolved with the network/support INEOS has in place in the UK or many places elsewhere.Macboy said:
Hicksy said:
They can't make my 3500 mile Grenedier work properly or stay watertight so cant see how they will make an even more complicated electric vehicle work reliably
This is the issue none of the motoring magazines/blogs seem to understand when they heap praise on INEOS and Grenadier/this new EV. They opted for a rag-tag bag of UK agents - some agricutlural dealers and 4x4 specialists among them - entirely ill-equipped to deal with modern cars let alone an EV. My VW EV had a huge list of issues that even a veteran VW dealer and VW technical couldn't adequately fix and it's well reported that some Grenadier owners have simple issues that agents/INEOS are struggling to fix. I can't see the common issues everyone has with EVs - be it a Tesla or an MG - like software and battery/charging faults, being easily resolved with the network/support INEOS has in place in the UK or many places elsewhere.Mikebentley said:
I was in Morrisons earlier and there were shelves full of INEOS branded cleaning products. I know it’s nothing to do with this car it just seemed an attempt to get the brand a level of public awareness which Monaco Jim’s chemicals don’t normally have.
I see no issue with that. Loads of manufacturers do similar. It's a new brand, so trying to raise awareness makes perfect sense.Jon_S_Rally said:
Mikebentley said:
I was in Morrisons earlier and there were shelves full of INEOS branded cleaning products. I know it’s nothing to do with this car it just seemed an attempt to get the brand a level of public awareness which Monaco Jim’s chemicals don’t normally have.
I see no issue with that. Loads of manufacturers do similar. It's a new brand, so trying to raise awareness makes perfect sense.
He's like some old Northerner grappling with his contempt for fellow Northerners and the guilt of his fancy la di da London/Monaco lifestyle and daily colonics. Trying to buy his way back to the North but unable to overcome that utter contempt.
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