RE: New Mercedes-AMG G63 launched as a hybrid

RE: New Mercedes-AMG G63 launched as a hybrid

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Jon_S_Rally

3,406 posts

88 months

Thursday 28th March
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NomduJour said:
How can it not be cynical?

The W460 (an Iranian army runabout, remember) at least had some authenticity, and the idea of an archaic Austrian-German Land Rover with a big V8 was at least a bit silly - but this was an all-new, clean sheet design. It will never have any commercial or military or practical application. It has absolutely no authenticity or integrity whatsoever, it just looks like a bit like the old one - a complete fake.

The only reason it still has a solid axle and a separate chassis and external hinges and and three ‘70s tech diff locks which will never, ever be engaged, is because Mercedes, very cynically, know that it sells because of image and nothing else.

The original had that image because it was once an authentic, honest car built for a purpose. This is an inauthentic, dishonest car built for a purpose - to scam cash from awful people.
Cars are designed to sell, that is their whole purpose. It's not cynicism, it's called running a business. Mercedes designed the current G-Class as they did because the retro looks and off-road underpinnings are a key part of its identity, and are part of what has made it so successful. They make other unibody SUVs for people that don't want those traits. They're not being cynical, they're offering a range of products for a range of different customers.

The more you speak, the more bitter you make yourself look, and the fact that you keep suggesting that there is something wrong with the people that buy a G-Class says it all. This isn't about manufacturer cynicism, but about your own internal biases and stereotyping perfect strangers because you don't like their car.

NomduJour

19,121 posts

259 months

Thursday 28th March
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Yeah, you got me. It’s an entirely inauthentic and cynical product - which has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it sells.

jhonn

1,567 posts

149 months

Thursday 28th March
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^^^ @ Jon S Rally - My thoughts too.

cerb4.5lee

30,653 posts

180 months

Thursday 28th March
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Cassius81 said:
I am actually more interested in the G450d to be honest.
I think that would be the model I'd go for as well, but then I'm a tight git though! Plus everytime I've tried to run a petrol V8 as a daily...I've almost run out of money each time! hehe

NomduJour

19,121 posts

259 months

Thursday 28th March
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OK - so these people who drive these things around town, they do so because they like the “traits” which make it a worse vehicle than it should be?

I’m pretty certain they just think they look cool in a big square thing making big V8 noises and having doors that clang shut, and don’t give any of the rest a second thought.

Or is there an underground hardcore of real G-Class men, out there in the wilderness, doing real G-Class things, in Iranian army gear, diffs locked and gripped, in an interior like a tart’s handbag?

Dapster

6,945 posts

180 months

Thursday 28th March
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NomduJour said:
Or is there an underground hardcore of real G-Class men, out there in the wilderness, doing real G-Class things, in Iranian army gear, diffs locked and gripped, in an interior like a tart’s handbag?
I used to have a Boxster but didn't drive everywhere at 171mph with the roof down. My wife doesn't drive every where with 7 kids in her S Max. Pretty much no-one is using their car to the extremes that they are capable of. Just like your expensive diving watch that can withstand 100m of pressure or camera that can shoot at 1/4000 of a sec.

NomduJour

19,121 posts

259 months

Thursday 28th March
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That’s not the point, it’s the conceptual bankruptcy of deliberately designing and engineering something that you know is compromised at everything it does.

The original was a rubbish road car because it was a ‘70s army truck - this is engineered like it is only because of that.

AmyRichardson

1,078 posts

42 months

Thursday 28th March
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Could Steyr build a unibody without DB sugar-daddying a whole new plant? And if the qualities a unibody affords are of no consequence to the target audience, why would they?

As with many products, the preservation of "authenticity" is important to the long term desirability of the product (how long would this product preserve its cache as a 2wd faux-x-4?) , even if they features and characteristics that create said authenticity are of no utility to 99% of buyers.

For most of owners it's a means to communicate that the owner has £250k to drop on a car; and the rumbly V8 and unique, super-impactful looks (I find my eye inexorably drawn, like a child gawping at someone in a wheelchair) mightily assist that end. But that doesn't mean MB could manufacture a GLE-based cosplay G-Wagon and get away with it, at least not for long.


NomduJour

19,121 posts

259 months

Thursday 28th March
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This is cosplay. There would only be benefits from a modern platform.

Jon_S_Rally

3,406 posts

88 months

Thursday 28th March
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Well, best write a strongly-worded letter to Mercedes and tell them they're doing it all wrong, eh? After all, what do they know? However, given the success of this car, and the fact they make and sell a range of unibody SUVs for other customers, I suspect they might not be too interested in the opinion of some random on the internet...

Like I said, bitterness through and through.

mrclav

1,296 posts

223 months

Thursday 28th March
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Jon_S_Rally said:
Well, best write a strongly-worded letter to Mercedes and tell them they're doing it all wrong, eh? After all, what do they know? However, given the success of this car, and the fact they make and sell a range of unibody SUVs for other customers, I suspect they might not be too interested in the opinion of some random on the internet...

Like I said, bitterness through and through.
Exactly. This guy speaks is if there is no other choice in the current line-up - it's not as if one cannot buy a GLA, GLC, GLE, GLS or even an electric model like a EQS SUV...

I'm just glad that people enjoy buying what they like and that Daimler continues to sell G-Class models for them to enjoy. All this talk of a 'cynical' car is simply laughable.

biggbn

23,360 posts

220 months

Thursday 28th March
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NomduJour said:
This is cosplay. There would only be benefits from a modern platform.
What we all.need is a nice little utilitarian hatch back.

NomduJour

19,121 posts

259 months

Thursday 28th March
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Jon_S_Rally said:
Well, best write a strongly-worded letter to Mercedes and tell them they're doing it all wrong, eh? After all, what do they know? However, given the success of this car, and the fact they make and sell a range of unibody SUVs for other customers, I suspect they might not be too interested in the opinion of some random on the internet...

Like I said, bitterness through and through
Amazing how the Walt Brigade simply cannot get it. Why on earth could I be bitter about somebody buying a silly car?

Gucci etc sell a load of £500 t-shirts you can’t machine wash, this is essentially the same thing - overpriced and entirely unsuitable and unrelated to its original purpose.

What does this car do better for having a separate chassis and a live axle? It’s simply trading off a past it has zero connection to.

ChocolateFrog

25,360 posts

173 months

Thursday 28th March
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I like it but a couple of hours of making silly noises would be enough then I'd love to put 300000 miles on the diesel version.

ChocolateFrog

25,360 posts

173 months

Thursday 28th March
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AmyRichardson said:
Could Steyr build a unibody without DB sugar-daddying a whole new plant? And if the qualities a unibody affords are of no consequence to the target audience, why would they?

As with many products, the preservation of "authenticity" is important to the long term desirability of the product (how long would this product preserve its cache as a 2wd faux-x-4?) , even if they features and characteristics that create said authenticity are of no utility to 99% of buyers.

For most of owners it's a means to communicate that the owner has £250k to drop on a car; and the rumbly V8 and unique, super-impactful looks (I find my eye inexorably drawn, like a child gawping at someone in a wheelchair) mightily assist that end. But that doesn't mean MB could manufacture a GLE-based cosplay G-Wagon and get away with it, at least not for long.
I doubt that many owners this side of the Red Sea have £250k in cash to stump up for one.

What 98% of owners will have will be the £2k a month needed to rent one.

mrclav

1,296 posts

223 months

Thursday 28th March
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NomduJour said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
Well, best write a strongly-worded letter to Mercedes and tell them they're doing it all wrong, eh? After all, what do they know? However, given the success of this car, and the fact they make and sell a range of unibody SUVs for other customers, I suspect they might not be too interested in the opinion of some random on the internet...

Like I said, bitterness through and through
Amazing how the Walt Brigade simply cannot get it. Why on earth could I be bitter about somebody buying a silly car?

Gucci etc sell a load of £500 t-shirts you can’t machine wash, this is essentially the same thing - overpriced and entirely unsuitable and unrelated to its original purpose.

What does this car do better for having a separate chassis and a live axle? It’s simply trading off a past it has zero connection to.
Really? What do YOU not get?

Literally no-one buying one of these in 2024 cares about its original purpose, whether or not the current iteration is related to the original product, whether it has a unibody or a body-on-frame, or indeed even its price (other than "can I afford it?"). As a vehicle it serves its primary function, which is to transport people from place to place on a public road in comfort, perfectly well. If people want to own one of these then Daimler is doing what all good businesses do, generating profit, by selling a product the market continually demands.

Using your logic, there are many, many other cars that could be said are unsuitable to the purpose of transporting people yet somehow people still want to own and enjoy them. There is no cynicism in that.


NomduJour

19,121 posts

259 months

Thursday 28th March
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mrclav said:
Literally no-one buying one of these in 2024 cares about its original purpose, whether or not the current iteration is related to the original product, whether it has a unibody or a body-on-frame, or indeed even its price (other than "can I afford it?"). As a vehicle it serves its primary function, which is to transport people from place to place on a public road in comfort, perfectly well. If people want to own one of these then Daimler is doing what all good businesses do, generating profit, by selling a product the market continually demands.

Using your logic, there are many, many other cars that could be said are unsuitable to the purpose of transporting people yet somehow people still want to own and enjoy them. There is no cynicism in that
Yes, “perfectly well”. Just not as well as it should, because of some entirely spurious and pointless (as you accept) pretend connection with authenticity. Or are you saying that’s all that matters? Should the S-Class have a separate chassis and a live axle, just because you can make that drive “perfectly well”?

It is nothing to do with unsuitability of purpose, it’s the fact that it has wilfully been designed and engineered in an attempt to channel the honesty and sense of purpose the original had (because that actually was once a basic, rugged, tough army off-roader). That does not and cannot work, and is very definitely cynical.

People are buying them because it’s a Gee Wagon innit, and it makes V8 noises around town.


Nish Gnackers

1,029 posts

41 months

Thursday 28th March
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NomduJour said:
People are buying them because it’s a Gee Wagon innit, and it makes V8 noises around town.
Your "innit" comment shows your true colours.

NomduJour

19,121 posts

259 months

Thursday 28th March
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Strange point to latch on to. How about trying to address the others?

Nish Gnackers

1,029 posts

41 months

Thursday 28th March
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No need to address anything else, thanks.