RE: Toyota confirms UK pricing for new GR Yaris

[fflump]

martin12345 said:

I did a quick survey on the GRY group I am in on FB. Only 23% had a GRY as their only car. It is one of my 3 and I have bikes as well. GRY owners generally are not struggling for a couple of bob to rub together and also they either are inverted snobs (like that it is called a Yaris even though it is 99% a bespoke high performance coupe) or are not concerned about the brand. Given the relatively limited planned supply of Gen 2's of high 100's/very low 1000's) a year (educated guess, not a fact) and that there is an auto available (which has generated a suprising (to me) high level of interest) now where Gen 1 didn't have one. I think it is sure they will sell all they want to. (There are several Mk1 GRY owners who are seriously considering buying a Mk2 auto to go with their Mk1 as well as their other cars). Toyota knows what it is doing

I'm not surprised most owners have multiple cars and the odd bike. You do need to have easy access to the right B-roads as well-not great for city traffic jams. Perfect for wealthy work-from-home country dwellers to zoom off to the farm shop from their terrible garaged barn conversion!

[Ken_Code]

martin12345 said:

I did a quick survey on the GRY group I am in on FB. Only 23% had a GRY as their only car. It is one of my 3 and I have bikes as well. GRY owners generally are not struggling for a couple of bob to rub together and also they either are inverted snobs (like that it is called a Yaris even though it is 99% a bespoke high performance coupe) or are not concerned about the brand. Given the relatively limited planned supply of Gen 2's of high 100's/very low 1000's) a year (educated guess, not a fact) and that there is an auto available (which has generated a suprising (to me) high level of interest) now where Gen 1 didn't have one. I think it is sure they will sell all they want to. (There are several Mk1 GRY owners who are seriously considering buying a Mk2 auto to go with their Mk1 as well as their other cars). Toyota knows what it is doing

I’ll be doing that, one of each if I can get the new one.

[cerb4.5lee]

fflump said:

martin12345 said:

I did a quick survey on the GRY group I am in on FB. Only 23% had a GRY as their only car. It is one of my 3 and I have bikes as well. GRY owners generally are not struggling for a couple of bob to rub together and also they either are inverted snobs (like that it is called a Yaris even though it is 99% a bespoke high performance coupe) or are not concerned about the brand. Given the relatively limited planned supply of Gen 2's of high 100's/very low 1000's) a year (educated guess, not a fact) and that there is an auto available (which has generated a suprising (to me) high level of interest) now where Gen 1 didn't have one. I think it is sure they will sell all they want to. (There are several Mk1 GRY owners who are seriously considering buying a Mk2 auto to go with their Mk1 as well as their other cars). Toyota knows what it is doing

I'm not surprised most owners have multiple cars and the odd bike. You do need to have easy access to the right B-roads as well-not great for city traffic jams. Perfect for wealthy work-from-home country dwellers to zoom off to the farm shop from their terrible garaged barn conversion!

That is where I see them sitting as well. A very nice addition for someone who already has a fleet of cars, because to me they are a bit too compromised as a daily, and not quite special enough as your single weekend car either.

[BlackandWhite]

I’m over it. A queue to get into a waiting list to earn a possible place in a ballot to be offered a chance to purchase a decent car at an inflated price. This game has gone on way too long. The only thing that could add further insult to already grievous injuries would be a couple of spurious limited editions at a 50 percent premium. Oh hang on a minute………

[Unreal]

What's the value of a place in the ballot? You're gambling on winning the certainty of getting one I suppose, maybe more important of you want one of £60K ones that the investors will be after to lock away. Got to be worth a cheap takeaway.

[AmyRichardson]

I largely erred towards the 86 because I was concerned that the GRY would be too capable a thing for someone as timid and ham-fisted as me to properly enjoy - well, that and all the GRYs were sold at the time.

Much as I would love a go in one now, I'm not sure I could swallow spending an extra £12k, but maybe that's more a psychological barrier than a reality.

[Speedgelb]

Neil1323bolts said:

Price seems about right to me, I would definitely consider one as an upgrade from my i20N, but what is a little strange is you never see any out on the roads I’ve seen probably about 3 in as many years. Does make me wonder if it’s any good as a daily driver , and as a hot hatch this is a must for me.

I could count on one hand the number of cars I've seen in the wild (on the roads being driven - shows / dealership / tracks don't count)

Don't commute, but cover the bulk of my annual miles in this car - 8k miles in 18 months, the majority of use is motorway / A-roads. It's also driven to the shops, and used as a station car. I use the Boxster for most of my B-road shenanigans, but hope the Yaris will do more of this in '24.

I have a few gripes with the car as a 'daily':

- Lane assist, start-stop, other bullsh!ttery has to be turned off every time you start the car
- If the keyless entry is turned off, you'll have fun restarting if you stall t a junction...
- The in car entertainment is okay, but not brilliant
- Front seats don't 'remember' their position when folded - that being said, rear seats are useless
- Not brilliant on fuel, further compounded by the size of the tank - real world useful range circa 280 miles
- The boot is tiny, relative to the size of the car. The Polo it replaced would fit a full size suitcase + a medium suitcase with the rear seats in place. And they could have included a light...
- At normal speeds, it feels a bit mundane / numb / unexciting


I need to caveat the above, and remind you of how I use the car, which is probably not as Toyota intended. The comments around boot space / range relate to sport, particularly the amount of equipment I have to carry and distances involved (it's been to continental Europe) - not joking, the Boxster is more practical for this, but the GRY copes just fine.

However, get it on the right stretch of tarmac where you can exploit the car and drive with intent, and it's sublime. The list above is rendered irrelevant - when you use a homologation special as a daily, it is going to be compromised.

My take:

- Mainly travel in the car alone / don't carry much / mainly B-roads - GRY
- Carry passengers / cargo / mainly A-roads or motorway - Golf GTI (or R) / A35 / M135i

[pheonix478]

fflump said:

I'm not surprised most owners have multiple cars and the odd bike. You do need to have easy access to the right B-roads as well-not great for city traffic jams. Perfect for wealthy work-from-home country dwellers to zoom off to the farm shop from their terrible garaged barn conversion!

That's an uncanny description of the only person I know who has one!

[Seano1878]

See absolutely loads of them around Manchester for some reason, at least a dozen in my immediate area. Local garage owner has one, a lad at work, a neighbour and my brother out of the people I know.
I’ve spent a bit of time behind the wheel of my brothers, utterly capable and playful but not at normal speeds, it eggs you on to push it which is risky with the amount of speed traps about. I’ve contemplated getting one a few times though, still tempted to chop the i30N in for one.

[Ken_Code]

Seano1878 said:

See absolutely loads of them around Manchester for some reason, at least a dozen in my immediate area. Local garage owner has one, a lad at work, a neighbour and my brother out of the people I know.
I’ve spent a bit of time behind the wheel of my brothers, utterly capable and playful but not at normal speeds, it eggs you on to push it which is risky with the amount of speed traps about. I’ve contemplated getting one a few times though, still tempted to chop the i30N in for one.

Mine’s really only used for fun, including track days. I agree that it’s not really the best for day-to-day use.

[Horsebox Man]

Ken_Code said:

Seano1878 said:

See absolutely loads of them around Manchester for some reason, at least a dozen in my immediate area. Local garage owner has one, a lad at work, a neighbour and my brother out of the people I know.
I’ve spent a bit of time behind the wheel of my brothers, utterly capable and playful but not at normal speeds, it eggs you on to push it which is risky with the amount of speed traps about. I’ve contemplated getting one a few times though, still tempted to chop the i30N in for one.

Mine’s really only used for fun, including track days. I agree that it’s not really the best for day-to-day use.

I use mine daily but it's only less than 9 miles to work and straight on to a Derbyshire B road, I sometimes take the long way back home though.

I'm also glad I have a few more cars to choose from if I was to take longer trips that require a bit more cossetting ride, but such is my age.

[cerb4.5lee]

Horsebox Man said:

Ken_Code said:

Seano1878 said:

See absolutely loads of them around Manchester for some reason, at least a dozen in my immediate area. Local garage owner has one, a lad at work, a neighbour and my brother out of the people I know.
I’ve spent a bit of time behind the wheel of my brothers, utterly capable and playful but not at normal speeds, it eggs you on to push it which is risky with the amount of speed traps about. I’ve contemplated getting one a few times though, still tempted to chop the i30N in for one.

Mine’s really only used for fun, including track days. I agree that it’s not really the best for day-to-day use.

I use mine daily but it's only less than 9 miles to work and straight on to a Derbyshire B road, I sometimes take the long way back home though.

I'm also glad I have a few more cars to choose from if I was to take longer trips that require a bit more cossetting ride, but such is my age.

I spend a lot of my time moaning about the ride in cars too, and that is definitely my age as well.

[Guvernator]

It's a cracking car by all accounts but not £50k nice. The first gen was priced right, this is too expensive no matter how you cut it. People can quote inflation all they want, the reality is it's increased in price by 30% in just a few years while people's incomes haven't.

The same thing happened to the Nissan GTR, started off as a £56k bargain and ended up as a £100k car and much like the GT-R, early gen Yaris (Yaris's, Yari?) will retain their value as the newer models get more and more expensive. Good news if you own one, bad news if you were hoping the early cars would depreciate further.

[cerb4.5lee]

Guvernator said:

It's a cracking car by all accounts but not £50k nice. The first gen was priced right, this is too expensive no matter how you cut it. People can quote inflation all they want, the reality is it's increased in price by 30% in just a few years while people's incomes haven't.

The same thing happened to the Nissan GTR, started off as a £56k bargain and ended up as a £100k car and much like the GT-R, early gen Yaris (Yaris's, Yari?) will retain their value as the newer models get more and more expensive. Good news if you own one, bad news if you were hoping the early cars would depreciate further.

Both myself and my missus seriously regret not going for the R35 GTR when it was £56k. I remember us both talking about getting one back then, and now I really wish we had.

[JJJ.]

Guvernator said:

It's a cracking car by all accounts but not £50k nice. The first gen was priced right, this is too expensive no matter how you cut it. People can quote inflation all they want, the reality is it's increased in price by 30% in just a few years while people's incomes haven't.

Couldn't agree more.

[pheonix478]

Guvernator said:

It's a cracking car by all accounts but not £50k nice. The first gen was priced right, this is too expensive no matter how you cut it. People can quote inflation all they want, the reality is it's increased in price by 30% in just a few years while people's incomes haven't.

The same thing happened to the Nissan GTR, started off as a £56k bargain and ended up as a £100k car and much like the GT-R, early gen Yaris (Yaris's, Yari?) will retain their value as the newer models get more and more expensive. Good news if you own one, bad news if you were hoping the early cars would depreciate further.

You're falling into the same trap we're all guilty of and that's not comparing like for like. I remember paying something like 6k for a Fiesta 20 odd years ago, since then (CPI) inflation would suggest it costs about 70% more or 10k but it's probably more like 20k. It's not the same product though; the early 2000's Fiesta is, objectively, an absolute POS relative to today's. So when we look at previous generations of the same model and correctly estimate the price has far outstripped inflation and earnings we really need to try and compare similar cars not just compare cars with the same model designation. By weight alone we're literally buying a lot more car today than we were 5, 10, 20 years ago whether we like it or not.

To test my own theory...
2004 BMW M5 (E60), 500bhp, 1750kg, 4.85x1.85x1.5m, 0-60 4.7, 70k when new
2024 BMW M3 500bhp, 1900kg, 4.8x1.9x1.4m, 0-60 3.5, 80k... bargain!

Edited by pheonix478 on Thursday 28th March 14:46

[Unreal]

JJJ. said:

Guvernator said:

It's a cracking car by all accounts but not £50k nice. The first gen was priced right, this is too expensive no matter how you cut it. People can quote inflation all they want, the reality is it's increased in price by 30% in just a few years while people's incomes haven't.

Couldn't agree more.

You could say the same thing about house prices. They're not worth it. They've risen too much. Fact is, they're still selling and so are cars. What matters to some people is the cost of getting into either - whether mortgage or PCP - not the value/price.

[ChrisCh86]

Unreal said:

You could say the same thing about house prices. They're not worth it. They've risen too much. Fact is, they're still selling and so are cars. What matters to some people is the cost of getting into either - whether mortgage or PCP - not the value/price.

And interest rates have risen significantly, so the cost increase is very real however you finance it!

[JJJ.]

Unreal said:

JJJ. said:

Guvernator said:

It's a cracking car by all accounts but not £50k nice. The first gen was priced right, this is too expensive no matter how you cut it. People can quote inflation all they want, the reality is it's increased in price by 30% in just a few years while people's incomes haven't.

Couldn't agree more.

You could say the same thing about house prices. They're not worth it. They've risen too much. Fact is, they're still selling and so are cars. What matters to some people is the cost of getting into either - whether mortgage or PCP - not the value/price.

You're comparison between wanting to own a home and own a super hot hatch just don't compute.

[Unreal]

JJJ. said:

Unreal said:

JJJ. said:

Guvernator said:

It's a cracking car by all accounts but not £50k nice. The first gen was priced right, this is too expensive no matter how you cut it. People can quote inflation all they want, the reality is it's increased in price by 30% in just a few years while people's incomes haven't.

Couldn't agree more.

You could say the same thing about house prices. They're not worth it. They've risen too much. Fact is, they're still selling and so are cars. What matters to some people is the cost of getting into either - whether mortgage or PCP - not the value/price.

You're comparison between wanting to own a home and own a super hot hatch just don't compute.

Best come up with your own then. Cars are not unique in going up in price and people saying they are too expensive.