RE: Toyota confirms UK pricing for new GR Yaris

[cerb4.5lee]

Water Fairy said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Hairymonster said:

This? Or lightly used BMW M3 on a 68 plate with 15k miles for £41,500?

Tough one.

That would be the direction I'd go in(and I did with a 68 plate M4 three years ago with 13k miles on it). However we all like different things though, plus the new versus used argument always seems to upset folk on here for some reason to be fair as well.

Depends what you want the car for. If you tried to keep up with the Yaris on a decent B road in the M4 you'd end up in a ditch. At least that is what a chap told me recently whilst I chatted to him about his new gr Yaris AND his M4.

Agreed, and they are just different tools to do different jobs I think. I'm a big fan of 4WD in the wet and over the winter months for definite, and the M4 is hopeless in those conditions(fun, but still hopeless though).

That also makes me think back to years ago when I had some fun with a Celica GT4 in my 200SX in the wet as well. I was trying to keep up with him going across a roundabout, and my rear tyres just lit up in the 200, and I was fighting a load of wheelspin big time. Whereas he just sailed off into the distance without any drama whatsoever, and that taught me what a difference 4WD makes in those conditions in comparison to RWD for sure.

[CG2020UK]

cerb4.5lee said:

Water Fairy said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Hairymonster said:

This? Or lightly used BMW M3 on a 68 plate with 15k miles for £41,500?

Tough one.

That would be the direction I'd go in(and I did with a 68 plate M4 three years ago with 13k miles on it). However we all like different things though, plus the new versus used argument always seems to upset folk on here for some reason to be fair as well.

Depends what you want the car for. If you tried to keep up with the Yaris on a decent B road in the M4 you'd end up in a ditch. At least that is what a chap told me recently whilst I chatted to him about his new gr Yaris AND his M4.

Agreed, and they are just different tools to do different jobs I think. I'm a big fan of 4WD in the wet and over the winter months for definite, and the M4 is hopeless in those conditions(fun, but still hopeless though).

That also makes me think back to years ago when I had some fun with a Celica GT4 in my 200SX in the wet as well. I was trying to keep up with him going across a roundabout, and my rear tyres just lit up in the 200, and I was fighting a load of wheelspin big time. Whereas he just sailed off into the distance without any drama whatsoever, and that taught me what a difference 4WD makes in those conditions in comparison to RWD for sure.

Have to say in the incredibly unlikely event two idiots ever unleashed both these cars 100% down a B road to get an answer to this they’d both deserve to have their licenses stripped away. Both cars would be well north of 100mph and 99% of drivers would be completely out of control.

[cerb4.5lee]

CG2020UK said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Water Fairy said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Hairymonster said:

This? Or lightly used BMW M3 on a 68 plate with 15k miles for £41,500?

Tough one.

That would be the direction I'd go in(and I did with a 68 plate M4 three years ago with 13k miles on it). However we all like different things though, plus the new versus used argument always seems to upset folk on here for some reason to be fair as well.

Depends what you want the car for. If you tried to keep up with the Yaris on a decent B road in the M4 you'd end up in a ditch. At least that is what a chap told me recently whilst I chatted to him about his new gr Yaris AND his M4.

Agreed, and they are just different tools to do different jobs I think. I'm a big fan of 4WD in the wet and over the winter months for definite, and the M4 is hopeless in those conditions(fun, but still hopeless though).

That also makes me think back to years ago when I had some fun with a Celica GT4 in my 200SX in the wet as well. I was trying to keep up with him going across a roundabout, and my rear tyres just lit up in the 200, and I was fighting a load of wheelspin big time. Whereas he just sailed off into the distance without any drama whatsoever, and that taught me what a difference 4WD makes in those conditions in comparison to RWD for sure.

Have to say in the incredibly unlikely event two idiots ever unleashed both these cars 100% down a B road to get an answer to this they’d both deserve to have their licenses stripped away. Both cars would be well north of 100mph and 99% of drivers would be completely out of control.

Yeah and it is a different time now to when I was messing about in my 200 over 20 years ago to be honest for definite.

Cars are just so much quicker now for sure. I did about 5 overtakes the other day in the M4, and I was north of 100mph with everyone of them, and that was without me really trying as well either(the DCT helps in that regard as well I think).

Trying to drive the M4 at a 100% down a B road would soon see you upside down in a ditch in no time I reckon. Not to mention that folk don't seem to want to mess about with you in cars anymore now either(which is the right thing/sensible thing to do I think now that I'm older).

[randytusk]

Here's a bit more tech detail for those. who are interested

https://newsroom.toyota.eu/the-new-toyota-gr-yaris...


I like the look of the Ogier edition but the Rovanpera piques my interest - the tech data suggests it has a new intermediate rear locking diff allowing a proper 100% RWD bias..


I've owned my mk1 circuit pack for about 24 months now and put on around 40k miles already. I have a vantage in the garage which I always look forward to driving on a perfect dry, sunny day.

Truth is I've hardly used it since getting the GR. The reality is 99% of the time, the wether favours the GR. I now look forward to weather warnings, rain and snow -it the GR's natural playground.

I have to admit that when it comes to driving dynamics , apart from engine note & looks, the GR utterly outclasses the Aston.

Edited by randytusk on Friday 29th March 11:52

[fflump]

911Spanker said:

ghost83 said:

Sorry but I wouldn’t pay over 40k for one let alone 60k

I had to wince when they were 34k a Yaris to me should be mid 20s

I see them in the £15-17k range.

They are heading in that direction. £25k can get one these days.

[zorba_the_greek]

ooofs thats alot of money

[fflump]

tumble dryer said:

911Spanker said:

ghost83 said:

Sorry but I wouldn’t pay over 40k for one let alone 60k

I had to wince when they were 34k a Yaris to me should be mid 20s

I see them in the £15-17k range.

What? For a car that will properly spank a 911 on any wet, and probably dry, B road you care to mention.

Deluded.

You say it will spank any 911 on a B-road and yet claim the *other* poster is deluded??

[ollie993]

I've had over 60 cars in my lifetime. Mostly performance cars. I own a GRY, and I can honestly say that pound for pound it is one of the top three driving experiences of all my cars and that includes a Gemballa 964. It is ridiculously planted, lightweight, seriously quick and practical. It is a motorsport car. To get anywhere near this level of engineering and focus in a car you are normally paying three times that price. It's most probaly worth the £13k price hike. If you drive one, and use it daily, it's a no brainer.

[CG2020UK]

cerb4.5lee said:

Yeah and it is a different time now to when I was messing about in my 200 over 20 years ago to be honest for definite.

Cars are just so much quicker now for sure. I did about 5 overtakes the other day in the M4, and I was north of 100mph with everyone of them, and that was without me really trying as well either(the DCT helps in that regard as well I think).

Trying to drive the M4 at a 100% down a B road would soon see you upside down in a ditch in no time I reckon. Not to mention that folk don't seem to want to mess about with you in cars anymore now either(which is the right thing/sensible thing to do I think now that I'm older).

For some reason on this forum people seem to forget/play down how fast real M cars actually are in the real world or on track.

Same with RS and AMG cars.

People have got use to Carwow 0-60 drag races when a lot of German cars haven’t even got going and have another 100mph still to play with.

[tumble dryer]

fflump said:

tumble dryer said:

911Spanker said:

ghost83 said:

Sorry but I wouldn’t pay over 40k for one let alone 60k

I had to wince when they were 34k a Yaris to me should be mid 20s

I see them in the £15-17k range.

What? For a car that will properly spank a 911 on any wet, and probably dry, B road you care to mention.

Deluded.

You say it will spank any 911 on a B-road and yet claim the *other* poster is deluded??

No... I didn't say it would spank any 911. There are 911's that it most certainly wouldn't spank.

My point was that to expect to pay £15-17k for a car, with the ability of a GR Yaris, is delusional.

[barrycoupe]

Ridiculous! Greedy, and bear in mind it’s just a Toyota! Nah, you can have a 2020 lightly used Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio for the same money.

[Twinair]

ollie993 said:

I've had over 60 cars in my lifetime. Mostly performance cars. I own a GRY, and I can honestly say that pound for pound it is one of the top three driving experiences of all my cars and that includes a Gemballa 964. It is ridiculously planted, lightweight, seriously quick and practical. It is a motorsport car. To get anywhere near this level of engineering and focus in a car you are normally paying three times that price. It's most probaly worth the £13k price hike. If you drive one, and use it daily, it's a no brainer.

This I would definitely agree with Ollie.

We are up around the same amount of cars (60 odd) at this - or pretty much any price point up to around 3-4x the list of a GRY - I’ve not come across anything as capable as this.

Like you say - it’s a motorsport car.

Given my dodgy back these days - I even like the seat height! I couldn’t really get on with the GT4 and it’s carbon low slung bucket seats…

There is nothing about the GRY I don’t find fab tbh…

[Unreal]

barrycoupe said:

Ridiculous! Greedy, and bear in mind it’s just a Toyota! Nah, you can have a 2020 lightly used Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio for the same money.

Or the Alfa as well? I like those a lot but the depreciation puts me off and they have a long way to go yet. I'm not bothered whatever happens to GRY prices because it's a long termer but generally I like to buy cars that I believe are near the bottom of the curve with some potential to increase. Not easy because most are knackered at that stage as well.

People are a bit stuffed if they want GRY performance in another new car for the same money but some things are out of reach for all of us. The list of cars that was unaffordable to me as a young man was almost endless and it included every new car on the planet. Things change and one of the benefits of getting older is you can have more expensive toys. I can't see the issue with a new GRY being out of reach for anyone. It's hardly an essential.

[Ken_Code]

barrycoupe said:

Ridiculous! Greedy, and bear in mind it’s just a Toyota! Nah, you can have a 2020 lightly used Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio for the same money.

A far less capable and special car.

[MrDoodles]

I would have been interested in an auto if it had been under £40,000, but Toyota raising the price by £12,000, and you can't even order one, is taking the piss out of their customer base!

[Ken_Code]

MrDoodles said:

I would have been interested in an auto if it had been under £40,000, but Toyota raising the price by £12,000, and you can't even order one, is taking the piss out of their customer base!

The ballot’s not open yet, but should be soon I think.

[JackJarvis]

barrycoupe said:

Ridiculous! Greedy, and bear in mind it’s just a Toyota! Nah, you can have a 2020 lightly used Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio for the same money.

4 year old car vs brand new car, in your own words a 'ridiculous' comparison.

[ecsrobin]

MrDoodles said:

I would have been interested in an auto if it had been under £40,000, but Toyota raising the price by £12,000, and you can't even order one, is taking the piss out of their customer base!

Pedantry but it’s £10k current RRP for the Yaris is £36k. There was never any chance of an auto coming in under £40k, it’s not taking the piss out of the customers it’s some of the customers not understanding the market/costs.

[MrDoodles]

Ken_Code said:

The ballot’s not open yet, but should be soon I think.

Well, my reading of the way orders are arranged is that you only get the chance of going into the ballot, if you are a current GRY owner, or registered your interest before May 2022, which means that you cannot walk into a Toyota Dealership and simply order a car!

[Mark A S]

tumble dryer said:

No... I didn't say it would spank any 911. There are 911's that it most certainly wouldn't spank.

My point was that to expect to pay £15-17k for a car, with the ability of a GR Yaris, is delusional.

Depends on the road i would say. On a twisty bumpy B road, probably dry, especially wet, i would say No 911 would be able to match one. And before someone asks, i have had 911's, last one a 550 odd BHP turbo with KW suspension GT 3 brakes etc.
Sure on a more open road the 911 would be gone, but not by much.

Not driven any 911's from the last 15 years or so, looking at them, there too dam fat these days to be comfy on a UK back road.

i would love another 911, preferably an early air cooled one though