RE: Toyota confirms UK pricing for new GR Yaris
Discussion
ecsrobin said:
Pedantry but it’s £10k current RRP for the Yaris is £36k. There was never any chance of an auto coming in under £40k, it’s not taking the piss out of the customers it’s some of the customers not understanding the market/costs.
True, but you haven't been able to actually buy a Mk1 GRY, for a long time! Twinair said:
ecsrobin said:
bwoah said:
Ridiculous price increase. I guess if they sell them then fair play to them. Was hoping for a 35kish price so that it would drop the price of the first gen but no chance of that now. First gens will probably go up in value if anything.
Considering the current RRP for the mk1 is £36k (not that you can get one new) that was wishful thinking to expect it to come in under that! I wouldn’t wait and line up etc… so I never bought one then.
I paid the list price for it. I know that the 1st time it would be registered had the on the road charges etc - so I overpaid a bit.
But then - where else could I get a ‘new’ GRY - in the colour I wanted - I saw the shipping wrappers come off it, it’s a new car.
There are a couple of these around, late December ‘new cars’.
I’m glad I went the way of the Mk 1 and just got on with it.
I agree with the other poster who mentioned the GT3 being the only rival on track, my GT4 (which I handed back on getting the GRY) is not the same pace in the real world on greasy, pock marked B roads…
Anyway - point being, you can nearly get a new Mk 1…!
I've come across many in my Elige and GT4 and in wet conditions they are impressive, as they should be with a sophisticated awd system, but in the dry their laptimes are around where you'd expect them to be, amongst the hot-hatches of a similar cost, eg a bit slower than the Leon Cupra at £35k when tested.
You really cannot accurately judge pace of cars on trackdays as you simply don't know who is in the other car.
barrycoupe said:
Ridiculous! Greedy, and bear in mind it’s just a Toyota! Nah, you can have a 2020 lightly used Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio for the same money.
"it's just a Toyota" So, what you mean it is just a car by the most consistently successful and profitable car company of the last 30 years
It's just a car by the company who stopped developing diesel engines about 15 years ago because they say it was a "dead end" and put their money into developing hybrid's as a precursor to EV's
It's just a car by the company who developed the LFA "because they could"
It's just a car by the company who shocked the world of Premium car companies with the LS400
It's just a car by the company which is consistently in the top 3 for reliability because of their high standards of engineering and manufacturing
It's just a car where you can have a 10 year warranty even if you use it on Track
I never thought I would buy a Toyota 10 years ago because they where "worthy but dull"
I could not be happier to own a high performance Toyota to have all of the benefits of the quality of engineering, a car virtually hand built and with inherent quality built in a backed by that 10 year warranty
I wouldn't touch an Alfa with a barge pole, but good luck if you chose to put your £40k there
Personally I plan to run my Mk1 till it is 8 or 9 years old, and then replace it with a 2 year old Mk2 - that should take me through to nearly 2040 and god knows what will exist to buy by then
MrDoodles said:
Well, my reading of the way orders are arranged is that you only get the chance of going into the ballot, if you are a current GRY owner, or registered your interest before May 2022, which means that you cannot walk into a Toyota Dealership and simply order a car!
Yes, I think so, but fortunately having ordered two the first time round I’m hopeful that it gets me two spaces in it.barrycoupe said:
Ridiculous! Greedy, and bear in mind it’s just a Toyota! Nah, you can have a 2020 lightly used Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio for the same money.
Hmm, a new car from one of the most reliable manufacturers or a used car from a shambles of a manufacturer. Let me think. For anyone who's committed enough to spend £45k on a quick Yaris, then good for you but that's the sort of budget I have to play with (give or take £20k depending on my mood at the time!?), and I can see far more interesting cars.
I mean, an older DB9 for £22k and putting aside £20k to fix the engine suddenly seems like a sensible idea.
I mean, an older DB9 for £22k and putting aside £20k to fix the engine suddenly seems like a sensible idea.
honda_exige said:
Twinair said:
ecsrobin said:
bwoah said:
Ridiculous price increase. I guess if they sell them then fair play to them. Was hoping for a 35kish price so that it would drop the price of the first gen but no chance of that now. First gens will probably go up in value if anything.
Considering the current RRP for the mk1 is £36k (not that you can get one new) that was wishful thinking to expect it to come in under that! I wouldn’t wait and line up etc… so I never bought one then.
I paid the list price for it. I know that the 1st time it would be registered had the on the road charges etc - so I overpaid a bit.
But then - where else could I get a ‘new’ GRY - in the colour I wanted - I saw the shipping wrappers come off it, it’s a new car.
There are a couple of these around, late December ‘new cars’.
I’m glad I went the way of the Mk 1 and just got on with it.
I agree with the other poster who mentioned the GT3 being the only rival on track, my GT4 (which I handed back on getting the GRY) is not the same pace in the real world on greasy, pock marked B roads…
Anyway - point being, you can nearly get a new Mk 1…!
I've come across many in my Elige and GT4 and in wet conditions they are impressive, as they should be with a sophisticated awd system, but in the dry their laptimes are around where you'd expect them to be, amongst the hot-hatches of a similar cost, eg a bit slower than the Leon Cupra at £35k when tested.
You really cannot accurately judge pace of cars on trackdays as you simply don't know who is in the other car.
I was just agreeing with the poster that on his particular track day, maybe the GT3’s were the only really faster orbiters of the circuit.
I wasn’t there - so I don’t know - of course.
What I do know is that getting a lap time out of a GRY is very easy, this car is looking after you everywhere, brakes - corner speed, direction changes - I can imagine good drivers in other cars would be faster (always)
But for relatively equal drivers the GRY is a very easy car & very rewarding to drive quickly…
Especially when the surface turns even slightly wet OR greasy…
I’ve just hooned over the top of the Cotswolds in mine just now - wet to dry to wet to greasy to wet to broken surface, my GT4 could not maintain the pace on these conditions - it wasn’t fun tbh…
GR - great fun and very secure…
It’s not the best car out there - but for everyday use case - wow it’s a corking little steer, I know that…!
Twinair said:
honda_exige said:
Twinair said:
ecsrobin said:
bwoah said:
Ridiculous price increase. I guess if they sell them then fair play to them. Was hoping for a 35kish price so that it would drop the price of the first gen but no chance of that now. First gens will probably go up in value if anything.
Considering the current RRP for the mk1 is £36k (not that you can get one new) that was wishful thinking to expect it to come in under that! I wouldn’t wait and line up etc… so I never bought one then.
I paid the list price for it. I know that the 1st time it would be registered had the on the road charges etc - so I overpaid a bit.
But then - where else could I get a ‘new’ GRY - in the colour I wanted - I saw the shipping wrappers come off it, it’s a new car.
There are a couple of these around, late December ‘new cars’.
I’m glad I went the way of the Mk 1 and just got on with it.
I agree with the other poster who mentioned the GT3 being the only rival on track, my GT4 (which I handed back on getting the GRY) is not the same pace in the real world on greasy, pock marked B roads…
Anyway - point being, you can nearly get a new Mk 1…!
I've come across many in my Elige and GT4 and in wet conditions they are impressive, as they should be with a sophisticated awd system, but in the dry their laptimes are around where you'd expect them to be, amongst the hot-hatches of a similar cost, eg a bit slower than the Leon Cupra at £35k when tested.
You really cannot accurately judge pace of cars on trackdays as you simply don't know who is in the other car.
I was just agreeing with the poster that on his particular track day, maybe the GT3’s were the only really faster orbiters of the circuit.
I wasn’t there - so I don’t know - of course.
What I do know is that getting a lap time out of a GRY is very easy, this car is looking after you everywhere, brakes - corner speed, direction changes - I can imagine good drivers in other cars would be faster (always)
But for relatively equal drivers the GRY is a very easy car & very rewarding to drive quickly…
Especially when the surface turns even slightly wet OR greasy…
I’ve just hooned over the top of the Cotswolds in mine just now - wet to dry to wet to greasy to wet to broken surface, my GT4 could not maintain the pace on these conditions - it wasn’t fun tbh…
GR - great fun and very secure…
It’s not the best car out there - but for everyday use case - wow it’s a corking little steer, I know that…!
If a car gets all the power down easily then it isn't rewarding for me, whereas if a car is a challenge to get the power down...then it is rewarding for me for example.
Twinair said:
honda_exige said:
Twinair said:
ecsrobin said:
bwoah said:
Ridiculous price increase. I guess if they sell them then fair play to them. Was hoping for a 35kish price so that it would drop the price of the first gen but no chance of that now. First gens will probably go up in value if anything.
Considering the current RRP for the mk1 is £36k (not that you can get one new) that was wishful thinking to expect it to come in under that! I wouldn’t wait and line up etc… so I never bought one then.
I paid the list price for it. I know that the 1st time it would be registered had the on the road charges etc - so I overpaid a bit.
But then - where else could I get a ‘new’ GRY - in the colour I wanted - I saw the shipping wrappers come off it, it’s a new car.
There are a couple of these around, late December ‘new cars’.
I’m glad I went the way of the Mk 1 and just got on with it.
I agree with the other poster who mentioned the GT3 being the only rival on track, my GT4 (which I handed back on getting the GRY) is not the same pace in the real world on greasy, pock marked B roads…
Anyway - point being, you can nearly get a new Mk 1…!
I've come across many in my Elige and GT4 and in wet conditions they are impressive, as they should be with a sophisticated awd system, but in the dry their laptimes are around where you'd expect them to be, amongst the hot-hatches of a similar cost, eg a bit slower than the Leon Cupra at £35k when tested.
You really cannot accurately judge pace of cars on trackdays as you simply don't know who is in the other car.
I was just agreeing with the poster that on his particular track day, maybe the GT3’s were the only really faster orbiters of the circuit.
I wasn’t there - so I don’t know - of course.
What I do know is that getting a lap time out of a GRY is very easy, this car is looking after you everywhere, brakes - corner speed, direction changes - I can imagine good drivers in other cars would be faster (always)
But for relatively equal drivers the GRY is a very easy car & very rewarding to drive quickly…
Especially when the surface turns even slightly wet OR greasy…
I’ve just hooned over the top of the Cotswolds in mine just now - wet to dry to wet to greasy to wet to broken surface, my GT4 could not maintain the pace on these conditions - it wasn’t fun tbh…
GR - great fun and very secure…
It’s not the best car out there - but for everyday use case - wow it’s a corking little steer, I know that…!
martin12345 said:
barrycoupe said:
Ridiculous! Greedy, and bear in mind it’s just a Toyota! Nah, you can have a 2020 lightly used Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio for the same money.
"it's just a Toyota" So, what you mean it is just a car by the most consistently successful and profitable car company of the last 30 years
It's just a car by the company who stopped developing diesel engines about 15 years ago because they say it was a "dead end" and put their money into developing hybrid's as a precursor to EV's
It's just a car by the company who developed the LFA "because they could"
It's just a car by the company who shocked the world of Premium car companies with the LS400
It's just a car by the company which is consistently in the top 3 for reliability because of their high standards of engineering and manufacturing
It's just a car where you can have a 10 year warranty even if you use it on Track
I never thought I would buy a Toyota 10 years ago because they where "worthy but dull"
I could not be happier to own a high performance Toyota to have all of the benefits of the quality of engineering, a car virtually hand built and with inherent quality built in a backed by that 10 year warranty
I wouldn't touch an Alfa with a barge pole, but good luck if you chose to put your £40k there
Personally I plan to run my Mk1 till it is 8 or 9 years old, and then replace it with a 2 year old Mk2 - that should take me through to nearly 2040 and god knows what will exist to buy by then
cerb4.5lee said:
Surely "easy" and "rewarding" are opposites though aren't they? I wouldn't find "easy" rewarding, whereas I'd find "difficult" rewarding if you understand what I mean though.
If a car gets all the power down easily then it isn't rewarding for me, whereas if a car is a challenge to get the power down...then it is rewarding for me for example.
I'd say its predictable on all variety of road surfaces and conditions and won't give you sudden surprises right up to grip limits. Once you've gone beyond those limits it rewards by responding to all manner of techniques - slow in , fast out, fast-in slow out, 4 wheel drift, handbrake etc. If a car gets all the power down easily then it isn't rewarding for me, whereas if a car is a challenge to get the power down...then it is rewarding for me for example.
Small car with a big repertoire.
Truth is, on an open motorway, the bigger engined cars will leave it behind beyond a ton, as an X5M owner demonstrated to me as he blasted. past on the hard shoulder......
fflump said:
Not surprising that a Toyota fanboy is prejudiced against Alfas.
Not so - I liked the alfa but we couldn't get on it with its brake by wire system and the utterly hopeless dealership that refused to acknowledge any issues with the vehicleEdited by randytusk on Saturday 30th March 11:38
cerb4.5lee said:
[Surely "easy" and "rewarding" are opposites though aren't they? I wouldn't find "easy" rewarding, whereas I'd find "difficult" rewarding if you understand what I mean though.
If a car gets all the power down easily then it isn't rewarding for me, whereas if a car is a challenge to get the power down...then it is rewarding for me for example.
I think "easy" and "rewarding" are not mutually compatible - certainly not in my experience both of my GRY but also of 30 years of racing karts If a car gets all the power down easily then it isn't rewarding for me, whereas if a car is a challenge to get the power down...then it is rewarding for me for example.
If you have a nice, well set up car/kart it means you can approach the limits with confidence and run at or very close to them, The challenge and joy is then being running consistently at them and enjoying the precision and competence that lets you carry so much apex speed without feeling threatened.
A car/kart that gives you confidence lets you exploit it more fully
GRY's are not about loads of oversteer and drifting - they are about balance and precision and crafting a lap time
My experience is that the car works best actually using a little understeer in the chassis and then using the power at the front axle to pull to front to the apex. They are fast through corners by getting on the power earlier than would normally make sense and getting on hard. If you are nervous about it then the car is a bit inert and understeery whereas if you commit to the corner and power on early and hard then it fires you through with amazing apex speed and you've started your acceleration phase early
The car is pretty horrible with the driver aids on (safe understeer) and also pretty rubbish with the rear biased (70/30) torque split as you simply waste traction with oversteer. It is nearly perfect (in the dry) in the Track mode (50/50) with everything turned off where it is beatifully balanced. When I get a Mk2 I look forward to trying a little rear bias (5 to 10%) to see if that is even better
However, it is each to their own and certainly I do have a lot of fun in a kart in the wet on slicks where getting the power down is a challenge
I also had an absolute hoot when i did a Palmer day at Bedford and spent almost all of my laps in the M3 (V8 NA) sideways much to the amusement and confusion of the instructer with me. For the last couple of laps I "behaved" myself and went about 8 seconds a lap faster !
Interestingly, I would say that car was also "easy" and "rewarding" as it was well balanced and holding it in power oversteer was not difficult but was great fun
Suffice to say, i like cars/karts that are well balanced and then you can have great fun. Cars/karts with poor balance are challenging to drive and not necessarily more fun in my opinion
fflump said:
martin12345 said:
barrycoupe said:
Ridiculous! Greedy, and bear in mind it’s just a Toyota! Nah, you can have a 2020 lightly used Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio for the same money.
"it's just a Toyota" So, what you mean it is just a car by the most consistently successful and profitable car company of the last 30 years
It's just a car by the company who stopped developing diesel engines about 15 years ago because they say it was a "dead end" and put their money into developing hybrid's as a precursor to EV's
It's just a car by the company who developed the LFA "because they could"
It's just a car by the company who shocked the world of Premium car companies with the LS400
It's just a car by the company which is consistently in the top 3 for reliability because of their high standards of engineering and manufacturing
It's just a car where you can have a 10 year warranty even if you use it on Track
I never thought I would buy a Toyota 10 years ago because they where "worthy but dull"
I could not be happier to own a high performance Toyota to have all of the benefits of the quality of engineering, a car virtually hand built and with inherent quality built in a backed by that 10 year warranty
I wouldn't touch an Alfa with a barge pole, but good luck if you chose to put your £40k there
Personally I plan to run my Mk1 till it is 8 or 9 years old, and then replace it with a 2 year old Mk2 - that should take me through to nearly 2040 and god knows what will exist to buy by then
Ken_Code said:
barrycoupe said:
Ridiculous! Greedy, and bear in mind it’s just a Toyota! Nah, you can have a 2020 lightly used Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio for the same money.
A far less capable and special car.Designed by a group of Ferrari engineers, the quadrifoglio blasted itself to the top of one of the most competitive segments and knocked the M3 off it's perch, an accomplishment that Mercedes and Audi hadn't managed in 30 years, combining raw pace with sublime handling. Sounds fairly special to me.
As far as capable is concerned, I can only assume you don't know what the word capable means?
anyway, here's a couple of links showing lap time of the Yaris and QV around a few tracks. Spoiler the QV is faster around about 90%, including the Nordschleife, where it's so much quicker it could also nearly do a lap of LLandow while it waits for the Yaris.
https://fastestlaps.com/models/toyota-gr-yaris
https://fastestlaps.com/models/alfa-romeo-giulia-q...
btw I'm not trying to be argumentative, the Yaris is in prime spot for my next car. A QV and a GR would be a spectacular 2 car garage. One for dry, one for the wet
zippy3x said:
lol - good one.
Designed by a group of Ferrari engineers, the quadrifoglio blasted itself to the top of one of the most competitive segments and knocked the M3 off it's perch, an accomplishment that Mercedes and Audi hadn't managed in 30 years, combining raw pace with sublime handling. Sounds fairly special to me.
As far as capable is concerned, I can only assume you don't know what the word capable means?
anyway, here's a couple of links showing lap time of the Yaris and QV around a few tracks. Spoiler the QV is faster around about 90%, including the Nordschleife, where it's so much quicker it could also nearly do a lap of LLandow while it waits for the Yaris.
https://fastestlaps.com/models/toyota-gr-yaris
https://fastestlaps.com/models/alfa-romeo-giulia-q...
btw I'm not trying to be argumentative, the Yaris is in prime spot for my next car. A QV and a GR would be a spectacular 2 car garage. One for dry, one for the wet
You’re writing suggests that’s you’ve not driven both very much. How much time have you put in on each?Designed by a group of Ferrari engineers, the quadrifoglio blasted itself to the top of one of the most competitive segments and knocked the M3 off it's perch, an accomplishment that Mercedes and Audi hadn't managed in 30 years, combining raw pace with sublime handling. Sounds fairly special to me.
As far as capable is concerned, I can only assume you don't know what the word capable means?
anyway, here's a couple of links showing lap time of the Yaris and QV around a few tracks. Spoiler the QV is faster around about 90%, including the Nordschleife, where it's so much quicker it could also nearly do a lap of LLandow while it waits for the Yaris.
https://fastestlaps.com/models/toyota-gr-yaris
https://fastestlaps.com/models/alfa-romeo-giulia-q...
btw I'm not trying to be argumentative, the Yaris is in prime spot for my next car. A QV and a GR would be a spectacular 2 car garage. One for dry, one for the wet
You’re comparing a homologation special with a slightly hot family saloon.
Ken_Code said:
You’re writing suggests that’s you’ve not driven both very much. How much time have you put in on each?
You’re comparing a homologation special with a slightly hot family saloon.
I've done 2.5 years and 17k miles in a quadrifoglio, including road trips to the Alps and the NC500. Enough to know it's very special and exceptionally capable.You’re comparing a homologation special with a slightly hot family saloon.
My time in a Yaris is irrelevant as I'm in no way "dissing" it. I'm just dissing your knowledge of the Alfa.
How much time have you spent in the Alfa to dismiss is as a "slightly hot saloon" ? A "slightly hot saloon" that beats your Yaris?
king much?zippy3x said:
I've done 2.5 years and 17k miles in a quadrifoglio, including road trips to the Alps and the NC500. Enough to know it's very special and exceptionally capable.
My time in a Yaris is irrelevant as I'm in no way "dissing" it. I'm just dissing your knowledge of the Alfa.
How much time have you spent in the Alfa to dismiss is as a "slightly hot saloon" ? A "slightly hot saloon" that beats your Yaris?
“Beats” my Yaris how? It’s not as enjoyable to drive. It’s “slightly hot” as in it does 0-60 in the same time as my Range Rover sport or a second slower than my sports car. They are nice cars, but no more than that.My time in a Yaris is irrelevant as I'm in no way "dissing" it. I'm just dissing your knowledge of the Alfa.
How much time have you spent in the Alfa to dismiss is as a "slightly hot saloon" ? A "slightly hot saloon" that beats your Yaris?
Have you actually driven the GR at all, or are you basing this on YouTube?
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