RE: Toyota confirms UK pricing for new GR Yaris
Discussion
martin12345 said:
barrycoupe said:
Ridiculous! Greedy, and bear in mind it’s just a Toyota! Nah, you can have a 2020 lightly used Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio for the same money.
"it's just a Toyota" So, what you mean it is just a car by the most consistently successful and profitable car company of the last 30 years
It's just a car by the company who stopped developing diesel engines about 15 years ago because they say it was a "dead end" and put their money into developing hybrid's as a precursor to EV's
It's just a car by the company who developed the LFA "because they could"
It's just a car by the company who shocked the world of Premium car companies with the LS400
It's just a car by the company which is consistently in the top 3 for reliability because of their high standards of engineering and manufacturing
It's just a car where you can have a 10 year warranty even if you use it on Track
I never thought I would buy a Toyota 10 years ago because they where "worthy but dull"
I could not be happier to own a high performance Toyota to have all of the benefits of the quality of engineering, a car virtually hand built and with inherent quality built in a backed by that 10 year warranty
I wouldn't touch an Alfa with a barge pole, but good luck if you chose to put your £40k there
Personally I plan to run my Mk1 till it is 8 or 9 years old, and then replace it with a 2 year old Mk2 - that should take me through to nearly 2040 and god knows what will exist to buy by then
Some of those claims are questionable to say the least.
Shocked the world with the LS400? Well, that’s because it wasn’t a piece of crap and the only interesting thing they made was the Supra.
That EV and diesel claim doesn’t make me want one of those cars it just means they jumped ship to make a s
t load of money!Ken_Code said:
zippy3x said:
I've done 2.5 years and 17k miles in a quadrifoglio, including road trips to the Alps and the NC500. Enough to know it's very special and exceptionally capable.
My time in a Yaris is irrelevant as I'm in no way "dissing" it. I'm just dissing your knowledge of the Alfa.
How much time have you spent in the Alfa to dismiss is as a "slightly hot saloon" ? A "slightly hot saloon" that beats your Yaris?
“Beats” my Yaris how? It’s not as enjoyable to drive. It’s “slightly hot” as in it does 0-60 in the same time as my Range Rover sport or a second slower than my sports car. They are nice cars, but no more than that.My time in a Yaris is irrelevant as I'm in no way "dissing" it. I'm just dissing your knowledge of the Alfa.
How much time have you spent in the Alfa to dismiss is as a "slightly hot saloon" ? A "slightly hot saloon" that beats your Yaris?
Have you actually driven the GR at all, or are you basing this on YouTube?
You're other cars are of no relevance to this debate.
To answer your question directly, I've spent a couple of hours driving a mate's Yaris, didn't go anywhere near 10/10ths because it's not my car. But, I've not in any way tried to put down the Yaris, in fact as I stated, it'll probably be my next purchase.
"Special" is subjective, but as I stated, I've done plenty of miles in my QV, slowly and quickly, traffic jams, motorways and plenty of fast Scottish, Welsh and Northern English roads at pace. I know it's special.
Now please do me the courtesy of answering me directly, and you tell me how many hours you've done in a QV?
Water Fairy said:
Depends what you want the car for. If you tried to keep up with the Yaris on a decent B road in the M4 you'd end up in a ditch. At least that is what a chap told me recently whilst I chatted to him about his new gr Yaris AND his M4.
Completely agree!I owned an F82 M4 Comp which was borderline lethal in anything other than completely dry conditions. It tried to get sideways on a damp dual carriageway when accelerating gently from about 60 mph to overtake another car. Not what I wanted en-route to a business meeting! Nearly 450 bhp, RWD and Michelin SuperSport tyres were not a good combination.
The GR is a completely different proposition. This is a competition-bred vehicle. Not as fast as the M4 on a straight road, but it’ll see off most exotic machinery on a normal A or B road. I did have one chap who fancied his chances in an M140i. He gave up after the second roundabout. Sensible decision. It was that … or crash!
The only problem is the car sucks you into higher speeds because it’s so capable. Quite a few have been crashed pretty badly because you’ll be going very quickly when you finally run out of talent or physics takes over!
Yes, it’s a car you can daily, but that’s a waste. It’s also incredibly noisy on motorways because there’s so little sound deadening.
Anyone who thinks this is “just a Yaris” ought to watch the Chris Harris Top Gear review, where he explains what an homologation rally car is. It’s available on YouTube.
ScoopyDoo said:
Water Fairy said:
The only problem is the car sucks you into higher speeds because it’s so capable. Quite a few have been crashed pretty badly because you’ll be going very quickly when you finally run out of talent or physics takes over!
I used to work at Jaguar, and knew Mike Cross (then Head of Vehicle Dynamics) quite well. At the time all Jaguar's were RWD and Mike's then opinion of 4WD was that "it allowed you to arrive at the scent of your accident faster". He does have a point (up to a point) and you do have to restrain yourself on the public highway. (I do wonder if this remained Mike's opinion as more and more of Jaguar fastest cars became 4WD but I had left the company by then so I never had the chance to ask him) But I still get great enjoyment from the sheer capability of the car, especially on B roads and in wet/damp conditions which the car seems to defy and drive as though the grip is unchanged from the dry
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Mr Whippy said:
If a Yaris GR is faster than an M4 on a b road you’re driving like an idiot already.
Most b roads have limit point driving speeds from 40-80mph and even an early 2000s hot hatch would be fast enough.
I think people miss the point when people reference quicker down a B road. Think December, greasy roads the Yaris won’t bat an eyelid and you’re not at suicide speeds. Something like an M4 will feel sketchy as fMost b roads have limit point driving speeds from 40-80mph and even an early 2000s hot hatch would be fast enough.
k in those conditions. ecsrobin said:
I think people miss the point when people reference quicker down a B road. Think December, greasy roads the Yaris won’t bat an eyelid and you’re not at suicide speeds. Something like an M4 will feel sketchy as fk in those conditions.
Don’t get this argument at all as this is just tyres. k in those conditions. I run my M2 with proper winter tyres (Michelin Alpine 4) which means in winter I cut about in the snow when AWD cars get stuck on their stock tyres. The difference in winter with proper tyres is astounding and a Yaris GR on stock tyres (Michelin Pilot Sport 4s) will be in a hedge or sliding off a roundabout way before me in December on greasy roads as it’s basic physics.
Wife had a Peugeot 208GTI with Michelin Cross Climate 2s on it and in winter was bonkers fun winding up Golf Rs and RS3s on roundabouts. The 208 GTI just had better tyres.
People complain certain cars are lethal in winter but are too cheap to change tyres.
CG2020UK said:
Don’t get this argument at all as this is just tyres.
I run my M2 with proper winter tyres (Michelin Alpine 4) which means in winter I cut about in the snow when AWD cars get stuck on their stock tyres. The difference in winter with proper tyres is astounding and a Yaris GR on stock tyres (Michelin Pilot Sport 4s) will be in a hedge or sliding off a roundabout way before me in December on greasy roads as it’s basic physics.
Wife had a Peugeot 208GTI with Michelin Cross Climate 2s on it and in winter was bonkers fun winding up Golf Rs and RS3s on roundabouts. The 208 GTI just had better tyres.
People complain certain cars are lethal in winter but are too cheap to change tyres.
Have you driven a Yaris? I run my M2 with proper winter tyres (Michelin Alpine 4) which means in winter I cut about in the snow when AWD cars get stuck on their stock tyres. The difference in winter with proper tyres is astounding and a Yaris GR on stock tyres (Michelin Pilot Sport 4s) will be in a hedge or sliding off a roundabout way before me in December on greasy roads as it’s basic physics.
Wife had a Peugeot 208GTI with Michelin Cross Climate 2s on it and in winter was bonkers fun winding up Golf Rs and RS3s on roundabouts. The 208 GTI just had better tyres.
People complain certain cars are lethal in winter but are too cheap to change tyres.
ecsrobin said:
CG2020UK said:
Don’t get this argument at all as this is just tyres.
I run my M2 with proper winter tyres (Michelin Alpine 4) which means in winter I cut about in the snow when AWD cars get stuck on their stock tyres. The difference in winter with proper tyres is astounding and a Yaris GR on stock tyres (Michelin Pilot Sport 4s) will be in a hedge or sliding off a roundabout way before me in December on greasy roads as it’s basic physics.
Wife had a Peugeot 208GTI with Michelin Cross Climate 2s on it and in winter was bonkers fun winding up Golf Rs and RS3s on roundabouts. The 208 GTI just had better tyres.
People complain certain cars are lethal in winter but are too cheap to change tyres.
Have you driven a Yaris? I run my M2 with proper winter tyres (Michelin Alpine 4) which means in winter I cut about in the snow when AWD cars get stuck on their stock tyres. The difference in winter with proper tyres is astounding and a Yaris GR on stock tyres (Michelin Pilot Sport 4s) will be in a hedge or sliding off a roundabout way before me in December on greasy roads as it’s basic physics.
Wife had a Peugeot 208GTI with Michelin Cross Climate 2s on it and in winter was bonkers fun winding up Golf Rs and RS3s on roundabouts. The 208 GTI just had better tyres.
People complain certain cars are lethal in winter but are too cheap to change tyres.
Literally a class car and a proper giant slayer.
Just these comparisons are getting so silly now the GR is defying physics.
It’s the Focus RS MK3 or M135i all over again.
ecsrobin said:
CG2020UK said:
a proper giant slayer.
Just these comparisons are getting so silly now the GR is defying physics.
So how is it a giant slayer?Just these comparisons are getting so silly now the GR is defying physics.
A significant portion of the general population outside of this forum expect a BMW 318d or A1 to be faster
CG2020UK said:
Don’t get this argument at all as this is just tyres.
I run my M2 with proper winter tyres (Michelin Alpine 4) which means in winter I cut about in the snow when AWD cars get stuck on their stock tyres. The difference in winter with proper tyres is astounding and a Yaris GR on stock tyres (Michelin Pilot Sport 4s) will be in a hedge or sliding off a roundabout way before me in December on greasy roads as it’s basic physics.
Wife had a Peugeot 208GTI with Michelin Cross Climate 2s on it and in winter was bonkers fun winding up Golf Rs and RS3s on roundabouts. The 208 GTI just had better tyres.
People complain certain cars are lethal in winter but are too cheap to change tyres.
Given the reputation the M3's and M4's of that vintage have I don't think it's purely down to tyres in his example.I run my M2 with proper winter tyres (Michelin Alpine 4) which means in winter I cut about in the snow when AWD cars get stuck on their stock tyres. The difference in winter with proper tyres is astounding and a Yaris GR on stock tyres (Michelin Pilot Sport 4s) will be in a hedge or sliding off a roundabout way before me in December on greasy roads as it’s basic physics.
Wife had a Peugeot 208GTI with Michelin Cross Climate 2s on it and in winter was bonkers fun winding up Golf Rs and RS3s on roundabouts. The 208 GTI just had better tyres.
People complain certain cars are lethal in winter but are too cheap to change tyres.
3GGy said:
On a B road in December. Pay atttention please.
Like this 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u73zdHn1how&t=...
wc98 said:
3GGy said:
On a B road in December. Pay atttention please.
Like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u73zdHn1how&t=...
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