RE: Toyota confirms UK pricing for new GR Yaris

[z89]

The dash is a huge step backwards.

However at least Toyota updated the car before raising prices. Porsche raised prices overnight last year by £12k for no reason whatsoever, they said it was to maintain margin or some b/s like that! The GTS 4.0 went from £60k to £72k and put me off buying one as I'm not being taken for a mug.

[_ppan]

EV8 said:

Hey, what is that car you are driving? Ah, an Yarriss... Cool,man. Who made you those wheel arches? Maybe my mom would like those also on hers. It is a 3cylinder, isnt it? Yeah, same as my moms.
(yes, I'm shallow like that)

I see lots of house mums driving Golf GTIs and Rs. Never seen people naming that as an argument notto buy a Golf. It's nothing more than snobbery, pure status.

But if that works for you, that's fine. It's of no bother to me. I'd just wish people use the right arguments.

[cerb4.5lee]

Hairymonster said:

This? Or lightly used BMW M3 on a 68 plate with 15k miles for £41,500?

Tough one.

That would be the direction I'd go in(and I did with a 68 plate M4 three years ago with 13k miles on it). However we all like different things though, plus the new versus used argument always seems to upset folk on here for some reason to be fair as well.

[bencollins4]

cerb4.5lee said:

Will these be offered with 0% finance like the first generation were?

These are very popular/very lusted after cars I reckon, so I think that even if Toyota charged £60k for them...they'd still sell in fairness.

Not a chance of 0%. We are living in different times and they don’t need to incentivise this time around.

[akadk]

TGB showed their card when they were sprouting on about supercar owners buying the GRY

So the early allocations will sell at list to the wealthy owners at 8.9% APR

Then probably 2026 they will run out of buyers and they’ll discount the APR to get buyers in

[ecsrobin]

akadk said:

TGB showed their card when they were sprouting on about supercar owners buying the GRY

So the early allocations will sell at list to the wealthy owners at 8.9% APR

Then probably 2026 they will run out of buyers and they’ll discount the APR to get buyers in

That’s if it meets Euro7 regs which are due from July next year. I suspect if it doesn’t they will pull the car from Europe.

[martin12345]

ecsrobin said:

akadk said:

TGB showed their card when they were sprouting on about supercar owners buying the GRY

So the early allocations will sell at list to the wealthy owners at 8.9% APR

Then probably 2026 they will run out of buyers and they’ll discount the APR to get buyers in

That’s if it meets Euro7 regs which are due from July next year. I suspect if it doesn’t they will pull the car from Europe.

The implimentation of Euro 7 has been diluted and delayed
It will now be introduced for new homologations around the end of 2027 (date not 100% decided yet but very likely) and the end of 2028 for all sales

https://autovista24.autovistagroup.com/news/how-ha...



So GRY has 3.5 years of sales with Euro 6 and if it is still selling well then almost certainly it could be upgraded to Eu7 if Toyota wanted to do the relatively minor software and calibration changes now needed
I think (but don't know) that Toyota will find enough sales if they want them as the options on the market are getting less and less

They've also said they would rather pay the ZEV fines then waste effort developing BEV's that no one want to buy
For high mileages users, some companies are now offering negative lease costs (ie they give the driver money, not the other way round) in order to get cars into the market and avoid ZEV/CO2 fines - we live in a really crazy time period of the car industry !!

[cava]

And so the marketing BS begins. I don't see the point of Toyota selling a few hundred of these when they are selling millions of mainstream models. It's not like I'll buy a lesser model Yaris if I don't win in the ballot. All it does is turn me off the brand altogether. I had a over a year of waiting for my GR86 order to arrive, by which time the novelty had totally worn off and I couldn't be arsed to buy it anymore.

[CG2020UK]

I’m not sure how the prices will holdup on these as there are loads of used models for sale.

Currently there are 173 on Autotrader.

Take 2020 and newer on Autotrader and there are
179 Focus STs
200 Fiesta STs
193 Audi RS 3s
155 Tesla Model 3 Performances
172 new G series M4 Comps
73 I30Ns
83 GTI Clubsport
37 Type Rs

I think it’s fair to say the GR Yaris has certainly a lot more of a niche appeal and limited buyers market than the above cars mentioned which makes you wonder where the demand will come from for used GRs with more cars hitting the market and not exactly limited supply.

Still a huge fan but I’d rather just hold out 6 months for a lightly used bargain.

No skin in the game for this one merely discussion point.

Edited by CG2020UK on Tuesday 26th March 23:48

[Turbojuice]

AllyM said:

And every single one will sell.

I wouldn't be so sure. Same was said about the latest Type R but once prices were announced, and with people expecting prices to start with a 3 and not a 4, deposits were refunded in their droves. Add to that interest rates no longer being basically 0%, I think this will be a different story to the original release.

[martin12345]

CG2020UK said:

I’m not sure how the prices will holdup on these as there are loads of used models for sale.

Currently there are 173 on Autotrader.

Take 2020 and newer on Autotrader and there are
179 Focus STs
200 Fiesta STs
193 Audi RS 3s
155 Tesla Model 3 Performances
172 new G series M4 Comps
73 I30Ns
83 GTI Clubsport
37 Type Rs

I think it’s fair to say the GR Yaris has certainly a lot more of a niche appeal and limited buyers market than the above cars mentioned which makes you wonder where the demand will come from for used GRs with more cars hitting the market and not exactly limited supply.

Still a huge fan but I’d rather just hold out 6 months for a lightly used bargain.

TBH I don't care if prices hold up or not

a) I load of people seem to have bought them speculatively to resell to make money (flippers) and I don't care about them
b) I'm keeping mine for another 4 or 5 years till it is 8 or 9 years old by which time it will have pushing 100k miles and be worth "not much" but spread over the 7 years of my ownership the average depreciation per year won't be awful and I shouldn't have any "horror" bills as it will be covered by the 10 years of warranty

The biggest running cost after depreciation I think is brake pads and discs. So far I need a set of pads per year and I'll need 1 or 2 pair of front discs at £1200 a pair before I'm finished with the car. I don't think many people understand the quality (and hence cost) of the suspension and brake components fitted on a GRY. There is a reason why it handles & brakes so brilliantly and it isn't because they fitted cheap parts. The quality of parts fitted are what you would expect to find on a £100,000 car, not a £35,000 car. The Mk1 GRY was a total bargain for what it was but it isn't the cheapest to run given the wear and cost of consumables and the 6000 mile service interval. Not a complaint. Just a reflction of reality.

Oh, and try not to buckle a Circuit Pack wheel in a pot hole. They were £1500 each from Toyota although they now seem out of stock (and they are £1000 each for a 2nd hand one off eBay as a result)

[D4rez]

martin12345 said:

ecsrobin said:

akadk said:

TGB showed their card when they were sprouting on about supercar owners buying the GRY

So the early allocations will sell at list to the wealthy owners at 8.9% APR

Then probably 2026 they will run out of buyers and they’ll discount the APR to get buyers in

That’s if it meets Euro7 regs which are due from July next year. I suspect if it doesn’t they will pull the car from Europe.

The implimentation of Euro 7 has been diluted and delayed
It will now be introduced for new homologations around the end of 2027 (date not 100% decided yet but very likely) and the end of 2028 for all sales

https://autovista24.autovistagroup.com/news/how-ha...



So GRY has 3.5 years of sales with Euro 6 and if it is still selling well then almost certainly it could be upgraded to Eu7 if Toyota wanted to do the relatively minor software and calibration changes now needed
I think (but don't know) that Toyota will find enough sales if they want them as the options on the market are getting less and less

They've also said they would rather pay the ZEV fines then waste effort developing BEV's that no one want to buy
For high mileages users, some companies are now offering negative lease costs (ie they give the driver money, not the other way round) in order to get cars into the market and avoid ZEV/CO2 fines - we live in a really crazy time period of the car industry !!

Yeah they’re mad as a box of frogs on that ZEV point if that’s true (I highly doubt it because it would be commercial suicide). You’re talking about a £15k per car fine which will be way above their margin

[howardhughes]

I just don't get the attraction. I'm a big fan of Japanese cars, but the Yaris model is just grotesque. That rear end...

[martin12345]

D4rez said:

martin12345 said:

ecsrobin said:

akadk said:

TGB showed their card when they were sprouting on about supercar owners buying the GRY

So the early allocations will sell at list to the wealthy owners at 8.9% APR

Then probably 2026 they will run out of buyers and they’ll discount the APR to get buyers in

That’s if it meets Euro7 regs which are due from July next year. I suspect if it doesn’t they will pull the car from Europe.

The implimentation of Euro 7 has been diluted and delayed
It will now be introduced for new homologations around the end of 2027 (date not 100% decided yet but very likely) and the end of 2028 for all sales

https://autovista24.autovistagroup.com/news/how-ha...



So GRY has 3.5 years of sales with Euro 6 and if it is still selling well then almost certainly it could be upgraded to Eu7 if Toyota wanted to do the relatively minor software and calibration changes now needed
I think (but don't know) that Toyota will find enough sales if they want them as the options on the market are getting less and less

They've also said they would rather pay the ZEV fines then waste effort developing BEV's that no one want to buy
For high mileages users, some companies are now offering negative lease costs (ie they give the driver money, not the other way round) in order to get cars into the market and avoid ZEV/CO2 fines - we live in a really crazy time period of the car industry !!

Yeah they’re mad as a box of frogs on that ZEV point if that’s true (I highly doubt it because it would be commercial suicide). You’re talking about a £15k per car fine which will be way above their margin

I think they are talking "in principle" - in reality I think they are going to defer to later years and / or pool with company with excess BEV's (Tesla or similar) - as you say, they wont be paying £15k/car on a high volume of cars

[plfrench]

martin12345 said:

D4rez said:

martin12345 said:

ecsrobin said:

akadk said:

TGB showed their card when they were sprouting on about supercar owners buying the GRY

So the early allocations will sell at list to the wealthy owners at 8.9% APR

Then probably 2026 they will run out of buyers and they’ll discount the APR to get buyers in

That’s if it meets Euro7 regs which are due from July next year. I suspect if it doesn’t they will pull the car from Europe.

The implimentation of Euro 7 has been diluted and delayed
It will now be introduced for new homologations around the end of 2027 (date not 100% decided yet but very likely) and the end of 2028 for all sales

https://autovista24.autovistagroup.com/news/how-ha...



So GRY has 3.5 years of sales with Euro 6 and if it is still selling well then almost certainly it could be upgraded to Eu7 if Toyota wanted to do the relatively minor software and calibration changes now needed
I think (but don't know) that Toyota will find enough sales if they want them as the options on the market are getting less and less

They've also said they would rather pay the ZEV fines then waste effort developing BEV's that no one want to buy
For high mileages users, some companies are now offering negative lease costs (ie they give the driver money, not the other way round) in order to get cars into the market and avoid ZEV/CO2 fines - we live in a really crazy time period of the car industry !!

Yeah they’re mad as a box of frogs on that ZEV point if that’s true (I highly doubt it because it would be commercial suicide). You’re talking about a £15k per car fine which will be way above their margin

I think they are talking "in principle" - in reality I think they are going to defer to later years and / or pool with company with excess BEV's (Tesla or similar) - as you say, they wont be paying £15k/car on a high volume of cars

Tesla or whoever wouldn’t be giving credits away for free though, they’ve got a competitive advantage why relinquish that for free? Also, I’m not sure where the not paying £15k per car on a high volume of cars comes from? Unless they give up on selling in the UK, then it’ll be £15k per car for 22% of their total 2024 sales minus any zero emissions cars they sell… they’ve only got the BZ4X and I can’t see that accounting for anywhere near 22% of sales…

[Fast and Spurious]

martin12345 said:

front discs at £1200 a pair

That's just silly.

[Misanthroper]

martin12345 said:

The biggest running cost after depreciation I think is brake pads and discs. So far I need a set of pads per year and I'll need 1 or 2 pair of front discs at £1200 a pair before I'm finished with the car. I don't think many people understand the quality (and hence cost) of the suspension and brake components fitted on a GRY.

You realise we’re talking about a Toyota Yaris right? This ins’t a Ferrari or McLaren, it’s a good little hot hatch but to justifying spending anything like that running it is insane.

I think owners of these cars get caught up in the hype and are quite delusional about what they’re actually driving, Toyota must be rubbing their hands together.

[Unreal]

I'd like to know if owners will get a ballot place for each of the models or just one. If the latter then they'd have to have first pick from the four,

[ecsrobin]

Misanthroper said:

martin12345 said:

The biggest running cost after depreciation I think is brake pads and discs. So far I need a set of pads per year and I'll need 1 or 2 pair of front discs at £1200 a pair before I'm finished with the car. I don't think many people understand the quality (and hence cost) of the suspension and brake components fitted on a GRY.

You realise we’re talking about a Toyota Yaris right? This ins’t a Ferrari or McLaren, it’s a good little hot hatch but to justifying spending anything like that running it is insane.

I think owners of these cars get caught up in the hype and are quite delusional about what they’re actually driving, Toyota must be rubbing their hands together.

OEM Brake pads are £60 a put for the front, the OEM floating front discs are no more expensive than what was offered on the Abarth 500 however I suspect most people will go for aftermarket which are more like £600 for floating.

[BarcelonaLewis]

The fact it’s a Yaris is part of the appeal for me, I’m surrounded by people trying to make themselves look as wealthy as possible with their cars, and it’s just a bit sad. Especially having hit middle age, a good sleeper like this (with the addition of Hybrid badges..) let’s you have a little fun, whilst remaining unassuming.