RE: Volvo has built its last-ever diesel car
Discussion
Nomme de Plum said:
cerb4.5lee said:
As much as I like to hate on EVs, I can appreciate them from a quietness/smoothness point of view though. I just don't like the brake regeneration on them, and that spoils the smoothness for me. So if I had one I'd switch that off I reckon.
The regen. is the best bit. It's not harsh at all provided you have good technique. It doesn't take long to get used to it and gets to a point where the friction brakes are rarely used. Nomme de Plum said:
Gordon Hill said:
Yes, wouldn't have one under those circumstances. Grandchildren like going to the coast so for me it makes more sense as I do the miles. Did you have a 4 cylinder? My 6 cylinder Merc is quite serene once it's up to working temperature.
6 cylinder. It was fine for longer runs but had to go when I moved to the coast and live within a few hundred metres of the harbour and beach. I'm probably under 2,000 miles pa now. Got4wheels said:
Volvo are an interesting one. Where many car companies are creating sub car companies to build their new identities post ICE, Volvo are just getting on with it. They've got Polestar, but I think it's inevitable that it'll be folded into Volvo now. VW with ID, Mercedes with EQ etc will end up doing the same the closer we get to 2035 anyway.
Eh? “ID” and “EQ” are just monikers for their electric car ranges. And I personally can’t see Polestar being folded into Volvo. Volvo have only recently relinquished their shares in Polestar.
kevin the reving said:
Who would want to buy a 3, 4 or 5 year old milk float in a few years time unless at a knocked down price ?
My view is that EV owners will be in for a shock at the value of scalextric when trading in !
Check out you tube as it’s already happening.
Porsche are already refusing to take some of their own cars in part ex !
Check out the anti-ev clickbait YouTube videos - no thanks !My view is that EV owners will be in for a shock at the value of scalextric when trading in !
Check out you tube as it’s already happening.
Porsche are already refusing to take some of their own cars in part ex !
As already mentioned new ICE and EV cars depreciate at similar rates.
cerb4.5lee said:
As much as I like to hate on EVs, I can appreciate them from a quietness/smoothness point of view though. I just don't like the brake regeneration on them, and that spoils the smoothness for me. So if I had one I'd switch that off I reckon.
Brake re-gen and ‘one pedal’ driving are two different things.You can turn off one pedal driving on most EV’s, which means when you lift off the accelerator the car doesn’t brake, it coasts.
Then only when you press the brake pedal does the car use regen. Press the brake pedal harder and the friction brakes will be doing the stopping.
Edited by SDK on Friday 29th March 11:45
ajap1979 said:
Nomme de Plum said:
cerb4.5lee said:
As much as I like to hate on EVs, I can appreciate them from a quietness/smoothness point of view though. I just don't like the brake regeneration on them, and that spoils the smoothness for me. So if I had one I'd switch that off I reckon.
The regen. is the best bit. It's not harsh at all provided you have good technique. It doesn't take long to get used to it and gets to a point where the friction brakes are rarely used. We have a mk1 XC90 with the 200PS D5. Reliable, smooth, effortlessly torquey and one of the few diesels I’ve experienced that even makes a decent noise. Even with 182,000 miles on it, it uses no fluids, still pulls like a train, and seems to ask for very little beyond scheduled servicing.
More important that any of that is it just feels perfectly suited to the application. Stick a tonne and a half of horse and horsebox on the back and it just shrugs it off. A 600 mile range is possible too when not towing.
Thankfully stuff like this will be available on the used market for the foreseeable future.
More important that any of that is it just feels perfectly suited to the application. Stick a tonne and a half of horse and horsebox on the back and it just shrugs it off. A 600 mile range is possible too when not towing.
Thankfully stuff like this will be available on the used market for the foreseeable future.
Towing with an EV will eventually become normalised, probably toward the end of the transition.
Trailers with batteries built-in to augment the car are in development, and I wouldn't be surprised if some retrofit kits start springing up.
For now though, tow-ers should stick with diesel (or petrol).
Trailers with batteries built-in to augment the car are in development, and I wouldn't be surprised if some retrofit kits start springing up.
For now though, tow-ers should stick with diesel (or petrol).
I bought my first diesel in 1999, a Volvo V70. Loved it as a car, could do around 650+ miles a tank on a run, trips to the dump, carry 4 in luxury, and 7 if 2 in the boot were under 10. At the time I thought the engine was great, I was told it had an Audi lump in it. Car lasted 23 years until the water pump decided it had had enough at 268k miles.
I have now a D5 XC70, a great car and a powerful engine, only not as frugal owing to the 4x4 I expect. The Volvo garage i bought it from said they could sell them all day long such as is the demand, but not made any more so maybe become more expensive.
I hope to keep it for some years..... yeah it is diesel but I don't care, it does a job, and very well
We also have an S80 with the D2 engine, and it touches 72 mpg on a run, very comfortable, smooth, £20 to tax, what is not to like with a large car on oil?
RIP diesel Volvo's
I have now a D5 XC70, a great car and a powerful engine, only not as frugal owing to the 4x4 I expect. The Volvo garage i bought it from said they could sell them all day long such as is the demand, but not made any more so maybe become more expensive.
I hope to keep it for some years..... yeah it is diesel but I don't care, it does a job, and very well
We also have an S80 with the D2 engine, and it touches 72 mpg on a run, very comfortable, smooth, £20 to tax, what is not to like with a large car on oil?
RIP diesel Volvo's
Edited by Majorslow on Friday 29th March 13:08
It’s a shame as I still believe diesel has its place in the automotive world. Nothing really beats them for those long distance runs or towing heavy things and I say this as someone who has exclusively driven EVs for the last year or so.
My friend had an old D5 S80 for a while and whilst scruffy it was a really comfortable car, only cost him a few hundred quid at the time but turned him into a Volvo fanboy, as he has since had an XC60 and now a Polestar
My friend had an old D5 S80 for a while and whilst scruffy it was a really comfortable car, only cost him a few hundred quid at the time but turned him into a Volvo fanboy, as he has since had an XC60 and now a Polestar
Limpet said:
We have a mk1 XC90 with the 200PS D5. Reliable, smooth, effortlessly torquey and one of the few diesels I’ve experienced that even makes a decent noise. Even with 182,000 miles on it, it uses no fluids, still pulls like a train, and seems to ask for very little beyond scheduled servicing.
More important that any of that is it just feels perfectly suited to the application. Stick a tonne and a half of horse and horsebox on the back and it just shrugs it off. A 600 mile range is possible too when not towing.
Thankfully stuff like this will be available on the used market for the foreseeable future.
It'll be due it's second cambelt change about now. More important that any of that is it just feels perfectly suited to the application. Stick a tonne and a half of horse and horsebox on the back and it just shrugs it off. A 600 mile range is possible too when not towing.
Thankfully stuff like this will be available on the used market for the foreseeable future.
Majorslow said:
I bought my first diesel in 1999, a Volvo V70. Loved it as a car, could do around 650+ miles a tank on a run..
Majorslow, why are mentioning range? Don't you know that nobody needs a range greater than an EV, well according to the EV warriors anyway. Edited by Majorslow on Friday 29th March 13:08
And as for towing...Although the S80 D4 and XC90 T8 are very good, I don't think Volvo has put any appealing engine in one of it's cars since the 5 cylinder stuff so this is no great loss.
Volvo now just seem to produce fancy Chinese crossovers for the muesli munching middle classes.
Diesel 6cyl is still the best option for lugging big cars over great distances.
Volvo now just seem to produce fancy Chinese crossovers for the muesli munching middle classes.
Diesel 6cyl is still the best option for lugging big cars over great distances.
Edited by Mouse Rat on Friday 29th March 13:34
JJJ. said:
Majorslow said:
I bought my first diesel in 1999, a Volvo V70. Loved it as a car, could do around 650+ miles a tank on a run..
Majorslow, why are mentioning range? Don't you know that nobody needs a range greater than an EV, well according to the EV warriors anyway. Edited by Majorslow on Friday 29th March 13:08
And as for towing...Depends what one is towing. Stuff with the aerodynamics of a large garden shed, absolutely not but trailers and dinghies/boats fine.
By 2035 those battery powered trailers will be available so all good.
Nomme de Plum said:
JJJ. said:
Majorslow said:
I bought my first diesel in 1999, a Volvo V70. Loved it as a car, could do around 650+ miles a tank on a run..
Majorslow, why are mentioning range? Don't you know that nobody needs a range greater than an EV, well according to the EV warriors anyway. Edited by Majorslow on Friday 29th March 13:08
And as for towing...Depends what one is towing. Stuff with the aerodynamics of a large garden shed, absolutely not but trailers and dinghies/boats fine.
By 2035 those battery powered trailers will be available so all good.
Hugo Stiglitz said:
Twinair said:
And look at that…
Previously ‘Diesel’ was the beacon to save us all…
Now there is a ‘new’ saviour, called EV…
What is that statement about those that don’t know the mistakes from history are doomed to repeat them…(?)
Or some such…
They'll be another new savior in 5yrs time. Previously ‘Diesel’ was the beacon to save us all…
Now there is a ‘new’ saviour, called EV…
What is that statement about those that don’t know the mistakes from history are doomed to repeat them…(?)
Or some such…
JJJ. said:
Nomme de Plum said:
JJJ. said:
Majorslow said:
I bought my first diesel in 1999, a Volvo V70. Loved it as a car, could do around 650+ miles a tank on a run..
Majorslow, why are mentioning range? Don't you know that nobody needs a range greater than an EV, well according to the EV warriors anyway. Edited by Majorslow on Friday 29th March 13:08
And as for towing...Depends what one is towing. Stuff with the aerodynamics of a large garden shed, absolutely not but trailers and dinghies/boats fine.
By 2035 those battery powered trailers will be available so all good.
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