RE: Volvo has built its last-ever diesel car
Discussion
Gigamoons said:
So long as the goalposts keeping moving, new taxation ‘incentives’ can be created.
Money has to be collected somehow by Government to fund all the services the populous demands. It is little or nothing to do with cars as such, excepting they may tweak VED and fuel duties to nudge us in a certain direction. Maybe road pricing won't be too far away. At least it would be transparent. Consume more = pay more.
The Volvo S60 B5 that I had for a bit didn't impress that much compared the D5. The 2L petrol engine was a bit agricultural and didn't feel that special. A shame that they are also stopping production of the saloon / estate cars, which are quite elegant in comparison with the XC40/60/90's. Volvo are clearly going full pelt towards an EV future - the first thing you see in a Volvo showroom is an EX30 and a C40. l agree with what some posters have suggested, that the new owner is trying to get a foothold and aren't especially bothered about the brand in the long term. They have moved to fast with this one.
Yahonza said:
The Volvo S60 B5 that I had for a bit didn't impress that much compared the D5. The 2L petrol engine was a bit agricultural and didn't feel that special. A shame that they are also stopping production of the saloon / estate cars, which are quite elegant in comparison with the XC40/60/90's. Volvo are clearly going full pelt towards an EV future - the first thing you see in a Volvo showroom is an EX30 and a C40. l agree with what some posters have suggested, that the new owner is trying to get a foothold and aren't especially bothered about the brand in the long term. They have moved to fast with this one.
They aren't stopping production of estates and saloons, they're just stopping UK sales as Brits have stopped buying them in any great numbers, they even do a big MPV in some markets. The world is a much bigger place than the UK.CLK-GTR said:
Nomme de Plum said:
So how about posting your evidence as it appears they are doing fine.
???That is the evidence. Its all there in their financial results and share price data.
I read their results and they're doing fine considering the market.
Now if you have actual evidence then i will look at it and discuss with some real experts. I suspect I won't be hearing soon.
Nomme de Plum said:
So no
I read their results and they're doing fine considering the market.
Now if you have actual evidence then i will look at it and discuss with some real experts. I suspect I won't be hearing soon.
Well obviously you haven't. Net margins down, EPS down, and share price been going in one direction since float. The market is not confident in their direction.I read their results and they're doing fine considering the market.
Now if you have actual evidence then i will look at it and discuss with some real experts. I suspect I won't be hearing soon.
dunnoreally said:
Baaaaaah, Volvo stopped being cool the moment they took the straight six out of the V60 Polestar.
I maintain, if you want a car like you remember Volvos being back when, get a Skoda Superb.
Have you tried the Polestar with the 4-cylinder engine? I never tried the 6-cylinder but the 4-cylinder is quite amazing. Sounds great too. I maintain, if you want a car like you remember Volvos being back when, get a Skoda Superb.
I briefly had a V70 diesel, I can not remember anything about it other than it was a rose gold colour.
Recently I had a team member leave so I collected their XC40 hybrid, I was genuinely impressed at how good an all rounder it was…..except slow. Turns out there is a button called “power” you have to push to make it a bit better. Anyways I went to the stealers, tried an XC60 T6, liked it and ordered it. (Company car). I have been a Merc fanboy for the last 9 years and have a “fun car” Merc, but with all the glow up interior and bling…..I am not the target market anymore.
Recently I had a team member leave so I collected their XC40 hybrid, I was genuinely impressed at how good an all rounder it was…..except slow. Turns out there is a button called “power” you have to push to make it a bit better. Anyways I went to the stealers, tried an XC60 T6, liked it and ordered it. (Company car). I have been a Merc fanboy for the last 9 years and have a “fun car” Merc, but with all the glow up interior and bling…..I am not the target market anymore.
visitinglondon said:
Blimey the EV loons are piling in.
Maybe note the name of this website and go and form your own to celebrate your tax dodging/virtue signalling* crap
You might need to get PH onboard, they feature plenty of EV's, its a car website not an internal combustion site.Maybe note the name of this website and go and form your own to celebrate your tax dodging/virtue signalling* crap
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Rob 131 Sport said:
You simply IMHO can’t beat a 6 cylinder diesel in a large car for all round drivability and economy.
I see you can still get one in an E Class which I’ll be having a close look at come change time.
Forced to agree with this, I'd chose a good six cylinder diesel over a modern 2.0 boosted petrol with the same output in a large car I was using to cover proper mileage too. You'll like the new Mercedes straight six if your current car has the V6.I see you can still get one in an E Class which I’ll be having a close look at come change time.
The first problem with diesel was putting them in cars and running them in locations where it just wasn't remotely appropriate. A diesel city car is an absolutely abhorrent idea, which was always very apparent to everyone but moron politicians with their total lack of technical knowledge and education and to evil car manufacturers and their dead eyed lobbyists.
The second problem is that consumers were somehow convinced that a 2.0 four cylinder diesel had acceptable refinement to be used in anything but a light commercial vehicle causing many otherwise pleasant cars to have been utterly ruined by the clattery vibrations of their Transit van spec engine; BMW 520d/Mercedes E220d please stand up.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Saturday 30th March 10:42
GeniusOfLove said:
Rob 131 Sport said:
You simply IMHO can’t beat a 6 cylinder diesel in a large car for all round drivability and economy.
I see you can still get one in an E Class which I’ll be having a close look at come change time.
Forced to agree with this, I'd chose a good six cylinder diesel over a modern 2.0 boosted petrol with the same output in a large car I was using to cover proper mileage too. You'll like the new Mercedes straight six if your current car has the V6.I see you can still get one in an E Class which I’ll be having a close look at come change time.
The first problem with diesel was putting them in cars and running them in locations where it just wasn't remotely appropriate. A diesel city car is an absolutely abhorrent idea, which was always very apparent to everyone but moron politicians with their total lack of technical knowledge and education and to evil car manufacturers and their dead eyed lobbyists.
The second problem is that consumers were somehow convinced that a 2.0 four cylinder diesel had acceptable refinement to be used in anything but a light commercial vehicle causing many otherwise pleasant cars to have been utterly ruined by the clattery vibrations of their Transit van spec engine; BMW 520d/Mercedes E220d please stand up.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Saturday 30th March 10:42
I had a nearly new BMW 520d (my first Diesel) back in 2007 and thought it was great. Diesel technology didn’t really get going properly in cars until the mid 00’s. Prior to that whilst Beardy types loved them, they were slow, heavy and noisy.
Rob 131 Sport said:
Mine current car is a straight 6 Diesel (M440d Coupe) and is only used for long journeys.
I had a nearly new BMW 520d (my first Diesel) back in 2007 and thought it was great. Diesel technology didn’t really get going properly in cars until the mid 00’s. Prior to that whilst Beardy types loved them, they were slow, heavy and noisy.
You could buy a 6 cyl diesel 5-series in 1991. Mainstream engines came on a long way though from then to the early/mid 00s. Common rail technology was one of the big changes.I had a nearly new BMW 520d (my first Diesel) back in 2007 and thought it was great. Diesel technology didn’t really get going properly in cars until the mid 00’s. Prior to that whilst Beardy types loved them, they were slow, heavy and noisy.
visitinglondon said:
Blimey the EV loons are piling in.
Maybe note the name of this website and go and form your own to celebrate your tax dodging/virtue signalling* crap
Going by your method there will be very little to report on PH if the focus is purely ICE news and reviews.Maybe note the name of this website and go and form your own to celebrate your tax dodging/virtue signalling* crap
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Maybe a new Morgan once every decade and the occasional unobtainable £1m hypercar
We have had Volvo’s of all sorts in the family for three generations. No one ever had a Diesel.
The i5 there where in my fathers 850R and V70R where characterful, but all other engines in Volvos, including a blueprinted, bored out and garnished with some goodies B20 in my P1800S (before the Volvo beards arrive, I replaced the original B18 with a later B20
) where merely tools to luv around what is an otherwise great car.
I don’t care in the slightest, or rather I applaud them for not building Diesel engines anymore. Currently I have V90 T8, which is a fabulous, stupidly fast car with an absolutely soulless engine. I wouldn’t mind it being 100% electric at all, in fact I would prefer it.
The i5 there where in my fathers 850R and V70R where characterful, but all other engines in Volvos, including a blueprinted, bored out and garnished with some goodies B20 in my P1800S (before the Volvo beards arrive, I replaced the original B18 with a later B20
) where merely tools to luv around what is an otherwise great car.I don’t care in the slightest, or rather I applaud them for not building Diesel engines anymore. Currently I have V90 T8, which is a fabulous, stupidly fast car with an absolutely soulless engine. I wouldn’t mind it being 100% electric at all, in fact I would prefer it.
I do not understand the demonisation of diesel. It's great in the right vehicle doing the right sort of drives (50+ miles in large SUV) and terrible in other cars that all had diesels stuck in them between 2008 and 2014 (Audi A1 doing a 5 mile trip). A shame that diesel is being taken away for those (like me) that really benefit from them 
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