RE: Volvo has built its last-ever diesel car
Discussion
GT9 said:
PT1984 said:
Exactly this. An unpopular opinion. But we should rapidly phase out any pre Euro 6 diesel. Especially the Astra and Zafira! Then heavy fines for altering emission control hardware. Japan had it right with the K car for suburban vehicles. Not how we encouraged Doris to get in a diesel to go to Asda. I have never had DPF issues for my last three diesels as the car does motorway miles. It’s all about the right tool for the job.
[b] Unfortunately anything pre-Euro 6d is likely to be churning out several times the emissions it should.
The cull needs to include Euro 6 as well. [/b]
I daily drive a Euro 3 diesel with a clear conscience; the emissions are tested every year and every year it passes comfortably within the parameters the DVSA set out. It is the perfect tool for the job, just as capable of being daily driven in 2024 as it was 20 years ago.
123RY said:
Speaking for UK exclusively there. It's easy to hold 80mph in Europe as an average.
Remember this article is about the last Volvo diesel produced worldwide. Not just for the UK market.
I'm all for an EV, but they are less efficient with higher speeds and higher journey times, which is where diesel thrives.
Fortunately Volvo make plugin hybrids if you feel EV is not for you. And it’s a vastly better drivetrain than the straight 6 diesel I used to have. No way would I want to go back to diesel. Remember this article is about the last Volvo diesel produced worldwide. Not just for the UK market.
I'm all for an EV, but they are less efficient with higher speeds and higher journey times, which is where diesel thrives.
Muddle238 said:
The endless obsession with emissions pisses me off. As I've said before, the measure of a car is not solely based on its emissions.
I daily drive a Euro 3 diesel with a clear conscience; the emissions are tested every year and every year it passes comfortably within the parameters the DVSA set out. It is the perfect tool for the job, just as capable of being daily driven in 2024 as it was 20 years ago.
Emissions matter. And your Euro 3 diesel sI daily drive a Euro 3 diesel with a clear conscience; the emissions are tested every year and every year it passes comfortably within the parameters the DVSA set out. It is the perfect tool for the job, just as capable of being daily driven in 2024 as it was 20 years ago.
tbox is emitting ridiculous levels of harmful emissions. It is because of people like you that there are low emissions-related speed limits on motorways and why clean air zones like ULEZ exist.Be less selfish and ignorant, and get rid of that diesel car.
braddo said:
Emissions matter. And your Euro 3 diesel stbox is emitting ridiculous levels of harmful emissions. It is because of people like you that there are low emissions-related speed limits on motorways and why clean air zones like ULEZ exist.
Be less selfish and ignorant, and get rid of that diesel car.
It’s reactions like that which bring out the ‘up yours then’ response. A little counter productive I’d say.tbox is emitting ridiculous levels of harmful emissions. It is because of people like you that there are low emissions-related speed limits on motorways and why clean air zones like ULEZ exist.Be less selfish and ignorant, and get rid of that diesel car.
braddo said:
Muddle238 said:
The endless obsession with emissions pisses me off. As I've said before, the measure of a car is not solely based on its emissions.
I daily drive a Euro 3 diesel with a clear conscience; the emissions are tested every year and every year it passes comfortably within the parameters the DVSA set out. It is the perfect tool for the job, just as capable of being daily driven in 2024 as it was 20 years ago.
Emissions matter. And your Euro 3 diesel sI daily drive a Euro 3 diesel with a clear conscience; the emissions are tested every year and every year it passes comfortably within the parameters the DVSA set out. It is the perfect tool for the job, just as capable of being daily driven in 2024 as it was 20 years ago.
tbox is emitting ridiculous levels of harmful emissions. It is because of people like you that there are low emissions-related speed limits on motorways and why clean air zones like ULEZ exist.Be less selfish and ignorant, and get rid of that diesel car.
GeniusOfLove said:
768 said:
With a D4 that has multiple oil leaks and a quote from Volvo for 50% more than its value, plus any extras they find along the way, I too shall shed no tears. 112k, less than 10 years old.
I'm willing to bet that the dealer are lifting your leg. Take it somewhere else and I bet those leaks come under "want ignoring" or can be fixed for a fraction of what the dealer wants.gazza285 said:
Twinair said:
And look at that…
Previously ‘Diesel’ was the beacon to save us all…
Now there is a ‘new’ saviour, called EV…
What is that statement about those that don’t know the mistakes from history are doomed to repeat them…(?)
Or some such…
100 years ago you could still buy steam powered vehicles for the road, they were replaced by cheaper and more efficient vehicles. People complained then.Previously ‘Diesel’ was the beacon to save us all…
Now there is a ‘new’ saviour, called EV…
What is that statement about those that don’t know the mistakes from history are doomed to repeat them…(?)
Or some such…
richhead said:
gazza285 said:
Twinair said:
And look at that…
Previously ‘Diesel’ was the beacon to save us all…
Now there is a ‘new’ saviour, called EV…
What is that statement about those that don’t know the mistakes from history are doomed to repeat them…(?)
Or some such…
100 years ago you could still buy steam powered vehicles for the road, they were replaced by cheaper and more efficient vehicles. People complained then.Previously ‘Diesel’ was the beacon to save us all…
Now there is a ‘new’ saviour, called EV…
What is that statement about those that don’t know the mistakes from history are doomed to repeat them…(?)
Or some such…
braddo said:
Muddle238 said:
The endless obsession with emissions pisses me off. As I've said before, the measure of a car is not solely based on its emissions.
I daily drive a Euro 3 diesel with a clear conscience; the emissions are tested every year and every year it passes comfortably within the parameters the DVSA set out. It is the perfect tool for the job, just as capable of being daily driven in 2024 as it was 20 years ago.
Emissions matter. And your Euro 3 diesel sI daily drive a Euro 3 diesel with a clear conscience; the emissions are tested every year and every year it passes comfortably within the parameters the DVSA set out. It is the perfect tool for the job, just as capable of being daily driven in 2024 as it was 20 years ago.
tbox is emitting ridiculous levels of harmful emissions. It is because of people like you that there are low emissions-related speed limits on motorways and why clean air zones like ULEZ exist.Be less selfish and ignorant, and get rid of that diesel car.
Each day I go to work, I burn through more Jet A1 than the equivalent amount of diesel my car will burn during its lifetime. Considering the sense of proportion, and looking at things in the wider picture, when it comes to climate change, my car is doing naff-all.
Muddle238 said:
My diesel isn't going anywhere, especially to please strangers on the internet.
Each day I go to work, I burn through more Jet A1 than the equivalent amount of diesel my car will burn during its lifetime. Considering the sense of proportion, and looking at things in the wider picture, when it comes to climate change, my car is doing naff-all.
Spot on, look at him many planes and cruise ships there are burning through multiple tons of fuel per hour.Each day I go to work, I burn through more Jet A1 than the equivalent amount of diesel my car will burn during its lifetime. Considering the sense of proportion, and looking at things in the wider picture, when it comes to climate change, my car is doing naff-all.
If people were really bothered about climate change every single one of these would be instantly banned. But no, people want to go on holiday and buy tat imported from China.
They then want to ignore about any pollution caused by their consumption and lifestyle and want to blame it on a 20 year old diesel driven by someone else.
Muddle238 said:
My diesel isn't going anywhere, especially to please strangers on the internet.
Each day I go to work, I burn through more Jet A1 than the equivalent amount of diesel my car will burn during its lifetime. Considering the sense of proportion, and looking at things in the wider picture, when it comes to climate change, my car is doing naff-all.
Well when I replace my V40, it will be a Volvo which has died a double death. V60 estate D4. I had one of the D4 light (48v?) hybrids and with the auto box it worked well. Each day I go to work, I burn through more Jet A1 than the equivalent amount of diesel my car will burn during its lifetime. Considering the sense of proportion, and looking at things in the wider picture, when it comes to climate change, my car is doing naff-all.
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
Muddle238 said:
My diesel isn't going anywhere, especially to please strangers on the internet.
Each day I go to work, I burn through more Jet A1 than the equivalent amount of diesel my car will burn during its lifetime. Considering the sense of proportion, and looking at things in the wider picture, when it comes to climate change, my car is doing naff-all.
Spot on, look at him many planes and cruise ships there are burning through multiple tons of fuel per hour.Each day I go to work, I burn through more Jet A1 than the equivalent amount of diesel my car will burn during its lifetime. Considering the sense of proportion, and looking at things in the wider picture, when it comes to climate change, my car is doing naff-all.
If people were really bothered about climate change every single one of these would be instantly banned. But no, people want to go on holiday and buy tat imported from China.
They then want to ignore about any pollution caused by their consumption and lifestyle and want to blame it on a 20 year old diesel driven by someone else.
Muddle238 said:
braddo said:
Muddle238 said:
The endless obsession with emissions pisses me off. As I've said before, the measure of a car is not solely based on its emissions.
I daily drive a Euro 3 diesel with a clear conscience; the emissions are tested every year and every year it passes comfortably within the parameters the DVSA set out. It is the perfect tool for the job, just as capable of being daily driven in 2024 as it was 20 years ago.
Emissions matter. And your Euro 3 diesel sI daily drive a Euro 3 diesel with a clear conscience; the emissions are tested every year and every year it passes comfortably within the parameters the DVSA set out. It is the perfect tool for the job, just as capable of being daily driven in 2024 as it was 20 years ago.
tbox is emitting ridiculous levels of harmful emissions. It is because of people like you that there are low emissions-related speed limits on motorways and why clean air zones like ULEZ exist.Be less selfish and ignorant, and get rid of that diesel car.
Each day I go to work, I burn through more Jet A1 than the equivalent amount of diesel my car will burn during its lifetime. Considering the sense of proportion, and looking at things in the wider picture, when it comes to climate change, my car is doing naff-all.
I have nothing against EVs, I have a small one for local journeys to avoid having to use a petrol or diesel car that won’t even get warmed up. It’s just that the “diesel is dead” idiots really cannot see that it’s still fit for purpose for long distances in larger cars, especially given the largely deficient non-Tesla EV charging infrastructure in the UK. Yes, it will eventually disappear, which is fine. But let’s not be a tosser and call people ignorant for continuing to use a diesel car.
I also have a direct comparison to inform my opinions (for they are only opinions!). My Volvo V90 CC here in the UK is a B5D - 2 litre, 235hp, does the job very well. As others have said, a little grumbly at low revs but fine for crushing. Is on course for about 20k miles p.a. I also have a V90 CC in the French Alps, but it’s a B5P, 250hp. Petrol, because it does less than 10k km p.a. But large and 4WD because of ski gear and, well, snow and mountains and stuff. The diesel is far and away the better drive on a long journey and also in the mountains. The petrol engine is OK but feels a bit gutless, although it cruises well enough once on the go. And the chasm between the for fuel economy is huge. Under 30 mpg equivalent for the petrol, over 45 mpg for the diesel.
The bigger Volvo issue than ending diesel is that they’re no longer selling estates here. Those are cars that built their reputation. We get what we wish for, which apparently is mainly SUVs. Baffling.
Edited by BikeSausage on Tuesday 2nd April 14:53
BikeSausage said:
The bigger Volvo issue than ending diesel is that they’re no longer selling estates here. Those are cars that built their reputation. We get what we wish for, which is mainly SUVs. Baffling.
It is also difficult to take Volvo seriously as a company...when they think that is it ok to only offer a 4 cylinder engine in something as big/heavy as the XC90 is for example. Whereas pretty much every other SUV manufacturer offers 6 or more cylinder engines in a car of that size/weight. As I've said before, Volvo wouldn't be missed by many folk if they did actually go under I reckon. In saying that, there was a time when I really liked Volvo though, and I always used to like the performance petrol T5 estates, and stuff like the C70 T5 as well.
BikeSausage said:
Exactly. Let’s create more toxic emissions binning a car before it is life expired just to satisfy a) internet zealots b) early adopters and c) car company bottom lines.
Euro 6 cars will start to exceed 10 years soon, if they've been covering high mileages, I'd say they are reaching normal end of life.Keeping older cars going requires maintenance and fuel, neither of these things are devoid of carbon and noxious footprint.
For carbon footprint, it could be several tons a years, so at what point do we say we are at end of life?
If the car is shipped off somewhere else where the higher noxious emissions are likely to do less harm, whilst avoiding a new car being sold into the pool of cars in that location, and by using the new car to replace the old car further up the chain in the original location, the system is working to everyone's benefit.
Flogging an older diesel to death in highly populated environments does not achieve that.
Older cars will be used by somebody until they get beyond economic repair. EVs are irrelevant to this. If you sell your old diesel, someone else will drive it. We’re dealing with the problem by moving towards not making new ones. If you aren’t a new car buyer, your opinions and actions are completely irrelevant, it doesn’t matter what you choose and nobody cares. You’ll get what current new car buyers choose, sometime in the future.
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