RE: Volvo has built its last-ever diesel car

[Gordon Hill]

Fusion777 said:

PokiGTA said:

Diesel doesn’t make sense in the UK or Europe. Places are small comparatively to Australia where I am and a Diesel is perfect for driving from my place to my parents (800km) in a day. Add in carrying a bunch of crap like bikes and a roof box etc, the N57 in my BMW is perfect.

On the other hand when your round trip in the UK doesn’t even get the DPF up to temp, you’re looking at an emissions hazard and an early death for the diesel engine.

Of course diesels can make sense in the UK. DPF issues? Tell that to my Golf GT- 139k+ miles and counting without so much as the DPF light even coming on…

Get a diesel without a dpf then, 236,000 miles and still as smooth as silk.

[CLK-GTR]

Nomme de Plum said:

Do you mean these

"For the full year 2023, Volvo Car Group recorded a record-breaking core operating profit of SEK 25.6 billion."

https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media...


https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/volvo-car...

No, I meant the ones where their net profit and EPS were all down and the share price looks like a ski slope.

[Nomme de Plum]

Gordon Hill said:

Get a diesel without a dpf then, 236,000 miles and still as smooth as silk.

Got rid of my Merc diesel as most of my drives are under 10miles. It rarely warmed up and was way too noisy.

Now I travel in near silence which is bliss.

Servicing costs have paled into insignificance and 2.5p/mile fuel costs.

[legless]

kevin the reving said:

Who would want to buy a 3, 4 or 5 year old milk float in a few years time unless at a knocked down price ?

My view is that EV owners will be in for a shock at the value of scalextric when trading in !

Check out you tube as it’s already happening.

Porsche are already refusing to take some of their own cars in part ex !

The depreciation of new EVs is shocking, but crucially, no more shocking than the depreciation of a new ICE vehicle.

All new cars depreciate horribly, regardless of powertrain. I'm in the industry myself and can see the raw data. There is genuinely no difference in the depreciation curve of EVs compared with ICE.

[Nomme de Plum]

CLK-GTR said:

Nomme de Plum said:

Do you mean these

"For the full year 2023, Volvo Car Group recorded a record-breaking core operating profit of SEK 25.6 billion."

https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media...


https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/volvo-car...

No, I meant the ones where their net profit and EPS were all down and the share price looks like a ski slope.

So how about posting your evidence as it appears they are doing fine.

[plfrench]

Bobupndown said:

Happy to be a dinosaur, stuck in the past with my dirty socially unacceptable diesel!

With a net reduction of the total number of UK Diesel cars of over 1400 per day, every day for the first nine months of last year you're probably going to need to find another option in the not too distant future - they're rapidly heading for mass extinction.

[Escort Si-130]

Good riddance to the diesel engine and badge. Too many clowns bought them, just to go to the supermarkets or school run and wonder why they never attained mpg from the manufactures etc

[AC43]

Gordon Hill said:

diesel ......smooth as silk.

Diesel? Smooth as silk??

[wiliferus]

Watcher of the skies said:

+1
We've had 3 D5 powered cars. It's an excellent engine.

+2. I’ve had 3 too. A V70 163, a V70 185 and a XC90 197.
All brilliant in their own right. I’d have another on my drive tomorrow if I needed.

It was a shame they diluted the D5 legend with the 4 pots. Even as a Volvo fan the badging convention became confusing. And although the D5 four pot made the right numbers it was a rough old bit of kit.

[Gordon Hill]

AC43 said:

Gordon Hill said:

diesel ......smooth as silk.

Diesel? Smooth as silk??

Yep, 6 cylinder with a smooth auto box, can't tell it's a diesel once it's warmed up.

[Gordon Hill]

Nomme de Plum said:

Gordon Hill said:

Get a diesel without a dpf then, 236,000 miles and still as smooth as silk.

Got rid of my Merc diesel as most of my drives are under 10miles. It rarely warmed up and was way too noisy.

Now I travel in near silence which is bliss.

Servicing costs have paled into insignificance and 2.5p/mile fuel costs.

Yes, wouldn't have one under those circumstances. Grandchildren like going to the coast so for me it makes more sense as I do the miles. Did you have a 4 cylinder? My 6 cylinder Merc is quite serene once it's up to working temperature.

[JJJ.]

Does it really matter what Volvo do or don't anymore. I think they're far less relevant than they ever were. All Volvos now just remind me of the school run or a supermarket car park.

[plfrench]

Gordon Hill said:

Nomme de Plum said:

Gordon Hill said:

Get a diesel without a dpf then, 236,000 miles and still as smooth as silk.

Got rid of my Merc diesel as most of my drives are under 10miles. It rarely warmed up and was way too noisy.

Now I travel in near silence which is bliss.

Servicing costs have paled into insignificance and 2.5p/mile fuel costs.

Yes, wouldn't have one under those circumstances. Grandchildren like going to the coast so for me it makes more sense as I do the miles. Did you have a 4 cylinder? My 6 cylinder Merc is quite serene once it's up to working temperature.

I paid to early terminate 70 plate E350d to get into an ID3, that’s how much I prefer driving EV to Diesel

[bazza white]

Love my c30 d5. I need to change it and another D5 is on the list. bar a sensor its been utterly reliable engine wise.



The D5 is also marinized and badged as a D3 are they still producing this.

[BoRED S2upid]

Fusion777 said:

PokiGTA said:

Diesel doesn’t make sense in the UK or Europe. Places are small comparatively to Australia where I am and a Diesel is perfect for driving from my place to my parents (800km) in a day. Add in carrying a bunch of crap like bikes and a roof box etc, the N57 in my BMW is perfect.

On the other hand when your round trip in the UK doesn’t even get the DPF up to temp, you’re looking at an emissions hazard and an early death for the diesel engine.

Of course diesels can make sense in the UK. DPF issues? Tell that to my Golf GT- 139k+ miles and counting without so much as the DPF light even coming on…

Yup. Same here in the family estate. 117,000 miles hardly worn in. 50mpg all day every day.

Sounds like sense to me. Ok London won’t let me in but who wants to drive around London anyway? That’s one place in the UK that public transport actually works.

[cerb4.5lee]

plfrench said:

Gordon Hill said:

Nomme de Plum said:

Gordon Hill said:

Get a diesel without a dpf then, 236,000 miles and still as smooth as silk.

Got rid of my Merc diesel as most of my drives are under 10miles. It rarely warmed up and was way too noisy.

Now I travel in near silence which is bliss.

Servicing costs have paled into insignificance and 2.5p/mile fuel costs.

Yes, wouldn't have one under those circumstances. Grandchildren like going to the coast so for me it makes more sense as I do the miles. Did you have a 4 cylinder? My 6 cylinder Merc is quite serene once it's up to working temperature.

I paid to early terminate 70 plate E350d to get into an ID3, that’s how much I prefer driving EV to Diesel

As much as I like to hate on EVs, I can appreciate them from a quietness/smoothness point of view though. I just don't like the brake regeneration on them, and that spoils the smoothness for me. So if I had one I'd switch that off I reckon.

[Nomme de Plum]

Gordon Hill said:

Yes, wouldn't have one under those circumstances. Grandchildren like going to the coast so for me it makes more sense as I do the miles. Did you have a 4 cylinder? My 6 cylinder Merc is quite serene once it's up to working temperature.

6 cylinder. It was fine for longer runs but had to go when I moved to the coast and live within a few hundred metres of the harbour and beach. I'm probably under 2,000 miles pa now.

[Nomme de Plum]

cerb4.5lee said:

As much as I like to hate on EVs, I can appreciate them from a quietness/smoothness point of view though. I just don't like the brake regeneration on them, and that spoils the smoothness for me. So if I had one I'd switch that off I reckon.

The regen. is the best bit. It's not harsh at all provided you have good technique. It doesn't take long to get used to it and gets to a point where the friction brakes are rarely used.

[Gordon Hill]

Nomme de Plum said:

Gordon Hill said:

Yes, wouldn't have one under those circumstances. Grandchildren like going to the coast so for me it makes more sense as I do the miles. Did you have a 4 cylinder? My 6 cylinder Merc is quite serene once it's up to working temperature.

6 cylinder. It was fine for longer runs but had to go when I moved to the coast and live within a few hundred metres of the harbour and beach. I'm probably under 2,000 miles pa now.

Wouldn't have one then. When I lived lived in Shanklin I purposefully bought a small petrol engined car as my mileage on the IOW was minimal.

[Got4wheels]

Volvo are an interesting one. Where many car companies are creating sub car companies to build their new identities post ICE, Volvo are just getting on with it. They've got Polestar, but I think it's inevitable that it'll be folded into Volvo now. VW with ID, Mercedes with EQ etc will end up doing the same the closer we get to 2035 anyway.

They're not in trouble like many think either, they're just ahead of the curve by chasing the next generation of customers and moving away from their traditions (though not seeing an EV estate is a shame) Its a matter of time before the rest of the legacy manufactures follow suit anyway. I could see moving to a pure EV manufacture being an issue as we just don't have the infrastructure in the way we do for ICE, but the only company I can see going under as cars evolve into pure EVs are Tesla, not Volvo.

Michael