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[mclwanB]

bigmowley said:

Dombilano said:

bigmowley said:

Dombilano said:

Is that an Aerodeck?

Yes well spotted. 59K miles and absolutely mint condition. It’s my guilty pleasure.

Excellent choice sir, I loved curios like this growing up in the 80s & 90s

Odd factoid. It is the first mainstream production car to have double wishbone’s all round. Classy.

Mu Grandfather had one- got it delivered registered with new plate but not allowed to drive it on the road until August 1st. Although he wasn't able to drive it that day as someone might possibly have snuck into the garage and popped the headlights up and down so much the battery was dead

[911Spanker]

7GJR said:

£100k is an absolute bloody joke.

For a K-Series. That will probably still end up with mayo on the oil cap.

Joke.

I'm not sure it will.

[lotusgeek]

I'm biased as a huge Lotus Elise fan, having owned a few variants. This really, really, does it for me.

I get the comments about the price but you're paying for the investment that's been made over years to create motoring nirvana. It's also a huge job to strip it back to a chassis and rebuild with everything upgraded.

I can't justify a 100k and donor car so it's not going to happen for me at this level. However, I will have another Elise at some point and I'd happily budget 30-40k to refresh and enhance it. It would be a keeper and a car I'd love my kids to experience compared to all the modern crap that weighs two tonnes and beeps at you for speeding.

[GTRene]

TheMachMan said:

Well done to Stef if he has customers or these. He upgraded my S2 type 25 a few ago, transformed the car. 200 BHP in an Elise is great fun. Had an original S1 but always felt under powered though nimble.

agreed, 200+ hp in a Elise S1 is good, specially in those crazy days and nanny states and busy roads.

I test drove a few long time ago, the first example the 120hp version, great to say 110km/h then a 160hp sport version, that felt better even to 140km/h

Then the Lotus dealer got from the UK a 215hp supercharged example to test with the man who brought it, so drove with a extra 90kg or so, but, that 215hp version felt good, even with higher speeds some power, enough to start with in a S1.

Also drove one with a Honda engine 220? hp S1 felt also fine, but maybe the supercharged one felt maybe better? not sure anymore, to long ago, but that 215hp supercharged one felt more like a little rocket, the honda one you had to wring out.

Honda and supercharger I never driven, I guess that would be rocket fun ;-)

[WPA]

I have always had a soft spot for the series 1 Elise, just so pure and they are a sure fire classic but as for spending £100k on top, no chance.

[edoverheels]

The cost thing is a barrier for ‘normal’ people. As has been pointed out this is an advert for their skills. However for a few who already have a couple of supercars and who realise their issues with too much size, too much speed and too much flamboyance this is an antidote and the very best version of an Elise that you can buy.
An Elise does not define the lightweight minimalist sports car category but at 680kgs this is right in the mix and yet it has doors, windscreen and a roof. You might even take it to a track day in Europe and your wife might even go in it.
For people for whom money is not a factor the appeal seems obvious.
Lovely thing.

[GTRene]

ok, Elise S1 say 190hp vs Exige S1 190hp say both same condition as in as new (suspension etc)

a S1 Elise can be used open and touring and so on, but a S1 Exige is a little supercar thing (sort ala Chinese Key? car sport) those Exige look so cool in the real world, but a S1 Elise is perhaps more usable?

what wins and why?

[chirurgus]

GTRene said:

ok, Elise S1 say 190hp vs Exige S1 190hp say both same condition as in as new (suspension etc)

a S1 Elise can be used open and touring and so on, but a S1 Exige is a little supercar thing (sort ala Chinese Key? car sport) those Exige look so cool in the real world, but a S1 Elise is perhaps more usable?

what wins and why?

I made a similar decision when buying my S2 Exige. The Elise 111R would have been cheaper and a supercharged S3 Elise would have been more powerful for similar money. I bought the Exige because it’s more track-focused than the former and looks better (in my opinion), and is much more raw with a much more exciting engine than the latter (and retains a throttle cable). For me, part of the pleasure of ownership is in modifying a car, but I wanted to start with the more special variant as a base.

Regarding open top motoring, that’s perfect possible with an Exige too:

[_ppan]

chirurgus said:

I made a similar decision when buying my S2 Exige. The Elise 111R would have been cheaper and a supercharged S3 Elise would have been more powerful for similar money. I bought the Exige because it’s more track-focused than the former and looks better (in my opinion), and is much more raw with a much more exciting engine than the latter (and retains a throttle cable). For me, part of the pleasure of ownership is in modifying a car, but I wanted to start with the more special variant as a base.

Regarding open top motoring, that’s perfect possible with an Exige too:

What a beauty! Just the right color too.

[_ppan]

Ok, so this is not supposed to be called a restomod. Originality isn't the target either as the drivetrain and suspension parts have been upgraded and even replaced with bespoke parts. Technical superiority seems the main target. So why keep that fragile and weak stock engine and spend a fortune on it when there's the Honda K20? More powerfull, higher revving, more reliable, great 6 speed gearbox and probably even cheaper too. For the money saved on upgrading the internals one could even install ITB's, just like on the Rover engine but end up with 50hp extra (or even more). Again, faster, reliable, more revs, better gearbox, 6 gears, no more expensive....I don't get it. For 100k I really wouldn't want to still have that Rover K-series. K20 all the way.

Edited by _ppan on Saturday 30th March 11:04

[JJJ.]

_ppan said:

Ok, so this is not supposed to be called a restomod. Originality isn't the target either as the drivetrain and suspension parts have been upgraded and even replaced with bespoke parts. So why keep that fragile and weak stock engine and spend a fortune on it when there's the Honda K20? More powerfull, higher revving, more reliable, great 6 speed gearbox and probably even cheaper too. For the money saved on upgrading the internals one could even install ITB's, just like on the Rover engine but end up with 50hp extra (or even more). Again, faster, reliable, more revs, better gearbox, 6 gears, no more expensive....I don't get it. For 100k I really wouldn't want to still have that Rover K-series. K20 all the way.

Yep, I'd want the K20 too, no question about it.

[dinkel]

bigmowley said:

Dombilano said:

bigmowley said:

Dombilano said:

Is that an Aerodeck?

(...) absolutely mint condition. It’s my guilty pleasure.

Excellent choice sir

It is the first mainstream production car to have double wishbone’s all round. Classy.

Honda cars like the Civic, Accord and Aerodeck are superb drivers: underpinnings were an inspiration for the Alfa Romeo 916 GTV/Spider development.

[thegreenhell]

kambites said:

As others have said, it's lovely but feels expensive for what is a list of relatively minor modifications.

The exact same mods that people have been doing to their own Elises for 20+ years, but a modded car has never really been worth more than a standard car.

Then suddenly call it a restomod and charge six figures for it. Genius.

[thegreenhell]

edoverheels said:

So this is an Elise ‘free from rattles, clonks and squeaks’. That’s worth £100,000 on its own.

Spend less than a grand replacing your suspension bushes and ball joints and you can be largely free of clonks and rattles.

[WCZ]

Hard to look past something like a 650s or 488 Ferrari for this price in terms of insanely different value for money

[GTRene]

_ppan said:

Ok, so this is not supposed to be called a restomod. Originality isn't the target either as the drivetrain and suspension parts have been upgraded and even replaced with bespoke parts. Technical superiority seems the main target. So why keep that fragile and weak stock engine and spend a fortune on it when there's the Honda K20? More powerfull, higher revving, more reliable, great 6 speed gearbox and probably even cheaper too. For the money saved on upgrading the internals one could even install ITB's, just like on the Rover engine but end up with 50hp extra (or even more). Again, faster, reliable, more revs, better gearbox, 6 gears, no more expensive....I don't get it. For 100k I really wouldn't want to still have that Rover K-series. K20 all the way.

I personally don't need a 6 speed, 5 is more then enough to have fun.

[_ppan]

GTRene said:

I personally don't need a 6 speed, 5 is more then enough to have fun.

Ok, still 5 reasons left to go K20, especially for 100k worth of work and parts. I assume you do like better shifting boxes?

[GTRene]

_ppan said:

GTRene said:

I personally don't need a 6 speed, 5 is more then enough to have fun.

Ok, still 5 reasons left to go K20, especially for 100k worth of work and parts. I assume you do like better shifting boxes?

yep, I certainly do not like sloppy shifting things, I like feeling connected to the gearbox in a good way, short precise shifting.

[chirurgus]

_ppan said:

GTRene said:

I personally don't need a 6 speed, 5 is more then enough to have fun.

Ok, still 5 reasons left to go K20, especially for 100k worth of work and parts. I assume you do like better shifting boxes?

This will likely sell for significantly more than 100k AUD, but I doubt it’ll come close to the 100k GBP being asked for the Elise in the article. I know which I would rather have:

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2001-lotus-exi...

[chirurgus]