RE: Analogue Automotive Supersport | PH Review

[pheonix478]

digital.mick said:

The Tesla Roadster is a battery electric vehicle sports car, based on the Lotus Elise chassis,
produced by

Tesla Motors (now Tesla, Inc.) from 2008 to 2012.

The Roadster was the first highway legal, serial production, all-electric car to use lithium-ion battery cells, and
the first production all-electric car to travel more than

244 miles (393 km) per charge.

Wow thanks crappy Ai bot. Great work.

[ThomW]

1. That very car is up for sale for £100k. That is absolutey laughable, no matter how good it is.
2. GET RID OF THE BLACK WHEELS

[Jon_S_Rally]

_ppan said:

Ok, so this is not supposed to be called a restomod. Originality isn't the target either as the drivetrain and suspension parts have been upgraded and even replaced with bespoke parts. Technical superiority seems the main target. So why keep that fragile and weak stock engine and spend a fortune on it when there's the Honda K20? More powerfull, higher revving, more reliable, great 6 speed gearbox and probably even cheaper too. For the money saved on upgrading the internals one could even install ITB's, just like on the Rover engine but end up with 50hp extra (or even more). Again, faster, reliable, more revs, better gearbox, 6 gears, no more expensive....I don't get it. For 100k I really wouldn't want to still have that Rover K-series. K20 all the way.

Edited by _ppan on Saturday 30th March 11:04

There is nothing wrong with the K-Series, and perhaps the guy behind these wanted to keep the original engine? Also, the K20 is heavier than the K-Series as I understand, which I believe is an important consideration in this project.

ThomW said:

1. That very car is up for sale for £100k. That is absolutey laughable, no matter how good it is.
2. GET RID OF THE BLACK WHEELS

1. I guarantee you that there are people out there that would spend £100k on a modified Elise.
2. I expect you can have the wheels any colour you like.

[GTRene]

chirurgus said:

_ppan said:

GTRene said:

I personally don't need a 6 speed, 5 is more then enough to have fun.

Ok, still 5 reasons left to go K20, especially for 100k worth of work and parts. I assume you do like better shifting boxes?

This will likely sell for significantly more than 100k AUD, but I doubt it’ll come close to the 100k GBP being asked for the Elise in the article. I know which I would rather have:

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2001-lotus-exi...

thats lovely, I like short well proportioned sportscars, those are like small supercars.

[highway]

A mate of mine project managed his own S1 restoration through Covid. Started with a 98 R reg car with under 20k miles. Initially the plan was C service and new battery/tyres as the car hadn’t been used for a bit. But he went full bore on it. New suspension, bushes, arms, kiwi head, new rad, waterless coolant, wheel refurb, tyres, tow post. The lot: no paint as the car didn’t need it. He even had the prodimex shift installed along with emerald, manifold. Anyway, he paid someone to do the labour and with the parts and cost of the car it ended up about £55k.
You don’t need to pay near £100k for a lovely, modernised S1.
Loads of specialists can do and have been, quietly doing this sort of stuff for years.
Nice cars when sorted and very rewarding and engaging to drive. Youd need to give your head a wobble to hand over anything close to the ask here.

[CABC]

highway said:

You don’t need to pay near £100k for a lovely, modernised S1.
Loads of specialists can do and have been, quietly doing this sort of stuff for years.
Nice cars when sorted and very rewarding and engaging to drive. Youd need to give your head a wobble to hand over anything close to the ask here.

same as with most things in life such as kitchens, furniture, boats and Singer Porches.
The end result, whichever path the individual chooses to get there, is a joy. Some people just want the full turnkey package or to have it reassuringly expensive!

[paul13]

I have a standard s1 111s, but if I had the bank account were £100k on a toy wasn't an issue I would have one, certainly in my lotto (dream) garage, but then each to their own choices. I would have thought that the sort of person who is purchasing one of these already has many other exotics in their garage.

[Familymad]

bigmowley said:

Is that better?

Thanks a lot better but still some space !!

[Julian Thompson]

I must admit I have never really wanted to make my Elise faster than it is, nor have I ever wanted more gears.

I have wanted a better, less crashy ride though, and perhaps a bit more sound from the exhaust. And of course anything that can be done to improve the gear shift action always gets a big tick.

For me, it’s the very fact that I can drive the car on the road in a spirited way - then look down and be doing 75mph - whilst enjoying every moment dynamically and felling like I’m going faster than that. Anything that takes away from that extremely special ability to me makes the car worse.

I absolutely would not change the engine and have no interest in putting in a Honda motor. If you want a faster Lotus surely you just buy an Exige?

[edoverheels]

Julian Thompson said:

I must admit I have never really wanted to make my Elise faster than it is, nor have I ever wanted more gears.

I have wanted a better, less crashy ride though, and perhaps a bit more sound from the exhaust. And of course anything that can be done to improve the gear shift action always gets a big tick.

For me, it’s the very fact that I can drive the car on the road in a spirited way - then look down and be doing 75mph - whilst enjoying every moment dynamically and felling like I’m going faster than that. Anything that takes away from that extremely special ability to me makes the car worse.

I absolutely would not change the engine and have no interest in putting in a Honda motor. If you want a faster Lotus surely you just buy an Exige?

Yes and no.
I had a tuned K series in mine and loved it, more than happy. It went pop (not head gasket) and I paid (handsomely) to have a Honda put in about five years ago. I haven't regretted it at all. It does seem like a natural fit.
Just good that we have all this choice. I suspect that the Elise will carry on as a cherished classic and as such we will have a specialised back up industry to keep us going.
Great.
If I win the pools I will give mine to Analogue or Maidstone to spice it up a bit more.
I keep thinking about a supercharger? It will be faster, I will win a bit more at track days, but will I enjoy it any more, will it break down a bit more?
First world problems.
I've just had it re sprayed which probably means that I'm about to crash it again.

[carlo996]

100K. For 4K (max) of engine work in a VVC, 4K suspension kit, plus donor you’ll have basically the same result. Fools and money.

[highway]

I’m a serial S1 owner. Just bought an S3 Final Edition. The gear change is great. Finally something to enjoy rather than just something to use. The ride is also superb. No creaks, rattles, bangs. It’s very impressive.
The point made earlier around the S1 feeling fast whilst not actually being particularly fast, was accurate and well made. Fast doesn’t equate to fun in an Elise.

[Jon_S_Rally]

carlo996 said:

100K. For 4K (max) of engine work in a VVC, 4K suspension kit, plus donor you’ll have basically the same result. Fools and money.

I think you're doing them a bit of a disservice there, as you missed the bit where they take the car back to a bare chassis and restore it.

I wouldn't spend 100k on an Elise but, if someone would, good luck to them.

[carlo996]

Jon_S_Rally said:

I think you're doing them a bit of a disservice there, as you missed the bit where they take the car back to a bare chassis and restore it.

I wouldn't spend 100k on an Elise but, if someone would, good luck to them.

It’s up to the individual how they spend their money, it’s poor value for money without doubt.

[740EVTORQUES]

Jon_S_Rally said:

carlo996 said:

100K. For 4K (max) of engine work in a VVC, 4K suspension kit, plus donor you’ll have basically the same result. Fools and money.

I think you're doing them a bit of a disservice there, as you missed the bit where they take the car back to a bare chassis and restore it.

I wouldn't spend 100k on an Elise but, if someone would, good luck to them.

Plans Motorsport recently did a full nut and bolt stripped chassis rebuild on an S1 and sold it for around £35K. I’m sure there are others.

This price is just bonkers

[CABC]

740EVTORQUES said:

Plans Motorsport recently did a full nut and bolt stripped chassis rebuild on an S1 and sold it for around £35K. I’m sure there are others.

This price is just bonkers

that sounds too cheap for it to be equivalent. paying someone to take a car apart is either expensive or half baked.

[740EVTORQUES]

CABC said:

that sounds too cheap for it to be equivalent. paying someone to take a car apart is either expensive or half baked.

It did sound cheap but they had a log of photos on their website and it looked like a proper job I can’t imagine it takes long to strip a car like an Elise back to a chassis and a pile or of parts

[CABC]

740EVTORQUES said:

It did sound cheap but they had a log of photos on their website and it looked like a proper job I can’t imagine it takes long to strip a car like an Elise back to a chassis and a pile or of parts

true it's easier. but I think AA were going deeper further.
somewhere in between would be reasonable. AA were presenting a sparkling "new" car, that always comes with a premium

[Jon_S_Rally]

carlo996 said:

It’s up to the individual how they spend their money, it’s poor value for money without doubt.

It's poor value to you. To someone else, it might not be. "Value" is subjective.

[dinkel]

carlo996 said:

100K. For 4K (max) of engine work in a VVC, 4K suspension kit, plus donor (...)

Wow...

I guess you never spend time in a workshop and saw bills and watched the clocks...

Upgrading a car takes serious time and effort.

The level of perfection here is 'a bit more' than just get an S1 and stick better parts on...