RE: First official look at new Range Rover Electric

[knebworth01]

T1berious said:

Wonder if they'll keep the same (or similar) FFRR wading depth?

I had to go through some pretty deep water recently in an EV and had a real clench moment!

I'm guessing they'll be using a heat pump to get the battery to a decent temp to facilitate charging in sub zero conditions. Can't imagine a BEV at this price point not having one to be honest.

Pretty sure an EV can go deeper than an ICE car, doesn't need to suck in any air? In theory if it was all sealed correctly it could drive fully submerged.
There is a video online going about of a Tesla model Y going through a flood upto its windscreen!

[Acorn1]

Oh dear.

[mooseracer]

Gastons_Revenge said:

Can't decide whether the replacement of the engine with electric motors will make it more reliable, or if the typical JLR electrical gremlins will leave it with the same poor reliability as the ICE line up

I read the article and thought people would be wise to get one that uses the 3rd party battery - before Land Rover introduce their own
This "should" make for a fantastic car to waft around in - it'll be interesting to see/read (as much as I like a FFRR, I'll never be able to afford a new one!)

[The Wookie]

plfrench said:

T1berious said:

Wonder if they'll keep the same (or similar) FFRR wading depth?

I had to go through some pretty deep water recently in an EV and had a real clench moment!

I'm guessing they'll be using a heat pump to get the battery to a decent temp to facilitate charging in sub zero conditions. Can't imagine a BEV at this price point not having one to be honest.

850mm according to EVO, so slightly less than other FF Range Rovers still decent though.

https://www.evo.co.uk/land-rover/range-rover/20637...

Did a day at Eastnor last year, the instructor/guide reckoned that the newer stuff was rated to 800-900mm or whatever but with the way the intakes were configured would actually go over a meter without damage with the main risk being the vehicle floating and losing traction.

I think he'd heard the suggestion before of avoiding the issue by going back to the old Defender method of rubbish door seals

Not sure why the EV would be less, must be something else that's mounted lower by necessity or not present in the IC stuff that can't be water proofed.

[simundo777]

Any guesses as to what this will weigh? It's going to be nearly as impressive as the price.

[Wills2]

simundo777 said:

Any guesses as to what this will weigh? It's going to be nearly as impressive as the price.

I think the FFRR P550e is 2810kg (EU) with GVW of 3450KG, I wonder if adding more battery but removing the engine will be a zero sum exercise in terms of the weight.

[RenesisEvo]

kambites said:

T1berious said:

Wonder if they'll keep the same (or similar) FFRR wading depth?

Depending on what limits the ICE version, the EV should be the same or better since there's no risk of hydrolock. Assuming it's properly built, the EV should have the same wading depth as an ICE car with a snorkel.

Some manufacturers don't bother to certify their high-voltage electical systems for submersion, but it would be stupid if Land Rover don't (and indeed they already do for their hybrids).

At the 850mm / 900m wading depths of the FFRR / Defender the problem you have isn't keeping things dry. The thing starts to float (buoyancy), and you can have problems getting traction on the bottom of whatever you are wading through. Which means you can drive in, but then you very quickly surrender any directional control - particularly problematic in a river crossing.

Amanitin said:

don't recall anyone in the industry pulling off a successful mass market ICE platform based EV.
They'd might as well just skipped this transition step altogether.

You're assuming it's an ICE platform. It's not. It was designed to be both EV and ICE from the start. Still will carry some compromise versus a dedicated BEV platform of course, but it won't be like the early days of shoehorning batteries into ICE designs.

[EBRANDON1]

Handy there was an electric charger for that fella in the middle of a frozen lake.

[W12AAM]

Range Rover & Electrics...What could ever go wrong?!!!

[Gruntled]

ChocolateFrog said:

Rostyle said:

You know that classic scene in Jaws when Brody says " you're gonna need a bigger boat" , I can just imagine the breakdown recovery companies saying " we are gonna need a bigger truck" !

I'm guessing the weight will start with a 3.

Serious question - will it be able to cross the alps with that weight on Electric power alone ?

[Angelo1985]

I adore Range Rover and usually wouldn’t mind an electric version. However, I really want to see the range (pun unintended): I know that many will be driven in central London only but this is a vehicle that is supremely comfortable in long journeys. It would be a pity to ruin a long trip with too many stops for recharging

[lord trumpton]

Ah great - they can't even produce an ICE car that's not laden with electrical faults and glitches - a fully electric version sounds like a winner!

[Wills2]

Amanitin said:

don't recall anyone in the industry pulling off a successful mass market ICE platform based EV.
They'd might as well just skipped this transition step altogether.

If you look at the the success BMW are having then you would, they have combined EV/ICE platforms on many models i4/4 i5/5 i7/7 iX1/X1 iX2/X2 iX3//X3.

[RumbleOfThunder]

lord trumpton said:

Ah great - they can't even produce an ICE car that's not laden with electrical faults and glitches - a fully electric version sounds like a winner!

It really should be more reliable. Less complication. In theory anyway

[2ono]

oilit said:

From what I’ve heard good luck getting an insurance quote

I think insurance is cooling off a bit for RR's, I've just got a quote to replace my P440e A/B RRS for another a newer P460e A/B RRS and my insurance company said I would be getting a £500 and some change refund.

[Krikkit]

Wills2 said:

simundo777 said:

Any guesses as to what this will weigh? It's going to be nearly as impressive as the price.

I think the FFRR P550e is 2810kg (EU) with GVW of 3450KG, I wonder if adding more battery but removing the engine will be a zero sum exercise in terms of the weight.

That would seem like a good guess to me - 38.2kWh in the 550e already, it'll take one 3x that size to be suitably ranged

[J4CKO]

RumbleOfThunder said:

lord trumpton said:

Ah great - they can't even produce an ICE car that's not laden with electrical faults and glitches - a fully electric version sounds like a winner!

It really should be more reliable. Less complication. In theory anyway

Indeed, an electric motor has one moving part, and ICE engine has hundreds, plus all the emissions control stuff, fuel system, turbochargers, a lot more cooling etc, loads of sensors etc.

Now I know a modern EV isnt just a scaled up Scalextrix car but its basically batteries, inverters and motors, plus will have two motors so for a JLR product, built in redundancy in case one fails, win win !

I really hope someone comes up with batteries that arent as heavy, you hear stuff but EVs are still heavier than their ICE counterparts, and a FFRR is already a hefty dollop so one of these with people and kit on board will be well over three tons, both an immovable object and an unstoppable force in one vehicle.

VED should be on weight going forward, say £100 for the first ton, then a climbing charge to like a pound a kilo per year for the biggest regardless of power source, would make consumers think if they need that big vehicle and manufacturers focus on reducing weight, and nobody should get zero rated VED if they want to use a car on the roads, remember you are only borrowing the roads off cyclists

[Harry Flashman]

W12AAM said:

Range Rover & Electrics...What could ever go wrong?!!!

This.

[620S]

Heavy batteries slung into a original ICE design equals another obscenely heavy car to watch not being hit by.. Not really moving the game on.

[Harry Flashman]

Mind you, their V6 engines were rubbish too, so let's not be too harsh. At least this one won't grenade its powerplant, with Land Rover then accusing you of not putting oil in it, a week after they serviced it (this was a colleague's wonderful customer service experience with his Disco 5).

I suspect they will now tell you, after the electric motors and battery set fire to the car, that you charged it wrong, or didn't use renewable energy, or that it was June, or that you didn't read the entrails correctly before making an offering to the gods of reliability.