RE: 2024 Porsche Macan Turbo | PH Review

[AmyRichardson]

SDK said:

The Porsche isn't made out of paper !

More a matter of more/smaller unibody components (not good: weight, good: cheap, easier to repair) and more of them being steel. Plus 20% more battery capacity. Both score well on NCAP and well exceed 20kNm/deg.

[cerb4.5lee]

DMZ said:

I’m maybe going mostly by the Autocar review but it’s a bit meh which surprises me. Bland to look at and bland to drive… a winning formula perhaps. I think I would struggle to pay a premium for it tbh.

Folk always seem to get upset when anyone says that about EVs. However for me...there definitely is some truth in it though. All my petrolhead mates perceive an EV as a bland thing for example.

I say it many times, but I also think that your age determines whether you think EVs are dull/bland or not as well. It certainly plays a part in it for me anyway.

I grew up lusting after the Lambo Countach/Magnums Ferrari 308 etc, whereas I'd imagine that the kids of today lust after a Tesla or a Taycan etc in comparison though. Times have just changed I reckon, and not necessarily for the better either.

[Nomme de Plum]

P.Griffin said:

Is that according to the Chinese? Of course, they are known for their honesty...remember Covid?

Meanwhile, back in reality...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/2...


I'd prefer a French approach. Ain't going to happen though...can't upset the new punters after brexit.

https://electrek.co/2023/12/14/france-says-non-to-...

Edited by P.Griffin on Tuesday 23 April 16:31

I'm not sure getting into a pissing contest (trade war) is good for any of us long term.

I think we, globally, are in a very fragile place and Brexit really didn't help.

Anyway back to this Macan, as private buyers aren't really buying new cars these will mostly be bought through company schemes. There's only about 2M new cars sold annually but a further c5.5M used changed hands a year.

[Nomme de Plum]

cerb4.5lee said:

Folk always seem to get upset when anyone says that about EVs. However for me...there definitely is some truth in it though. All my petrolhead mates perceive an EV as a bland thing for example.

I say it many times, but I also think that your age determines whether you think EVs are dull/bland or not as well. It certainly plays a part in it for me anyway.

I grew up lusting after the Lambo Countach/Magnums Ferrari 308 etc, whereas I'd imagine that the kids of today lust after a Tesla or a Taycan etc in comparison though. Times have just changed I reckon, and not necessarily for the better either.

My experience of kids of today do not lust after cars at all. That time has gone. I'm sure there will still be a few but there are far too many other distractions and hobbies/sports to take their interest, other than this i don't really see an age connection.

[Norton850]

I prefer the looks of our 2015 3.0v6 S that was with us from new to 3 years old,super reliable and quick enough.


Not for me but i am interested in what it will sell for at 2 years old..

Edited by Norton850 on Tuesday 23 April 17:12

[HocusPocus]

Andy86GT said:

Lotobear said:

the 'turbo' badge on the boot - I mean really

Totally agree.
I mean, where's the imagination?

As it's electric, you would think something like; 'Warp', 'Pulse', 'Flux', EMF (short for Electro Motive Force) or Mega Watt.

Putting Turbo on it is ridiculous

Maybe Macan '3 phase' 'power surge' or 'circuit breaker' would be more imaginative BEV badges.

[cerb4.5lee]

Norton850 said:

I prefer the looks of our 2015 3.0v6 S that was with us from new to 3 years old,super reliable and quick enough.


Not for me but i am interested in what it will sell for at 2 years old..

Edited by Norton850 on Tuesday 23 April 17:12

About 10 pence if the Taycan is anything to go by!

[Norton850]

cerb4.5lee said:

Norton850 said:

I prefer the looks of our 2015 3.0v6 S that was with us from new to 3 years old,super reliable and quick enough.


Not for me but i am interested in what it will sell for at 2 years old..

Edited by Norton850 on Tuesday 23 April 17:12

About 10 pence if the Taycan is anything to go by!

Then i may be interested....

[legalman58]

Truly hideous - 3 things are wrong with it

Over-priced

Over weight

Over here

[ITP]

Nomme de Plum said:

Andy86GT said:

Totally agree.
I mean, where's the imagination?

As it's electric, you would think something like; 'Warp', 'Pulse', 'Flux', EMF (short for Electro Motive Force) or Mega Watt.

Putting Turbo on it is ridiculous

So was it ridiculous of Porsche not to label all their 992s turbo when the base models had turbocharged engines?

I think Porsche know their market and as their margin is still very healthy (18%) with the Taycan considerable outselling the Panamera I don't expect them to change in the short term.

Errrr, it’s a bit different NOT putting a turbo badge on a car that does have a turbo (most petrol cars now have one) compared to putting a turbo badge on a car that doesn’t even have an ICE. Yes, it’s apparently now only a name blah blah, but it’s an embarrassing one.

And the only reason the taycan outsells anything is because, certainly in the uk, pretty much all of them are bought with a massive tax break, not available to the panamera. Without that enormous financial advantage they’d sell about 10 a year.

This 100k macan EV will be the same, virtually all bought because of the tax break.

Edited by ITP on Tuesday 23 April 17:53

[Lotobear]

Nomme de Plum said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Folk always seem to get upset when anyone says that about EVs. However for me...there definitely is some truth in it though. All my petrolhead mates perceive an EV as a bland thing for example.

I say it many times, but I also think that your age determines whether you think EVs are dull/bland or not as well. It certainly plays a part in it for me anyway.

I grew up lusting after the Lambo Countach/Magnums Ferrari 308 etc, whereas I'd imagine that the kids of today lust after a Tesla or a Taycan etc in comparison though. Times have just changed I reckon, and not necessarily for the better either.

My experience of kids of today do not lust after cars at all. That time has gone. I'm sure there will still be a few but there are far too many other distractions and hobbies/sports to take their interest, other than this i don't really see an age connection.

That'll be why my 22 year old son has just bought his 2nd Clio RS 200 then and all his mates drive performance ICE cars. I see absolutely no interest in EV's from him or any of his extensive peer group but maybe it's an ap norf fing

[CSNY]

Far Cough said:

I can see this being the new version of the unwanted Taycan in a few years when the initial anticipation has died down.

This. It wouldn't surprise me if older ICE variants hold their value even better than before and Porsche struggle to shift the EV version, similar to VW's current problems. Given that the Macan is a big seller for Porsche, this could cost the company a few bob.

[BrownEaredDog]

Nomme de Plum said:

My experience of kids of today do not lust after cars at all. That time has gone. I'm sure there will still be a few but there are far too many other distractions and hobbies/sports to take their interest, other than this i don't really see an age connection.

Exactly this. I have four kids aged from 18 - 31, not one of them has the slightest interest in cars.

They were brought up with my love of all things mechanical - two/four-stroke bikes, my trucks, RC cars (electric and nitro), ICE and electric cars, Lego technic and so-on. They used to love helping me service my 250 strokers and all fell in love with Top Gear as early as they knew what it was about. But not one of them *lusts* after cars in the slightest. Nor do many of their friends

It's sad from my point of view, but I do understand them; the idea of paying loads of money for something that sits around unused for the majority of the time is something they find faintly ridiculous, particularly as public transport is absolutely superb in the city where they live.

Out in the sticks where I am, "interest" in cars seems to be limited to lads cruising around in scabby Seats and Audis with loud exhausts and cheapo aftermarket LEDs - most other people seem to treat cars as a necessary evil, an appliance. They've gone from driving the ICE versions of watery porridge to driving the EV equivalent, which goes some way to explaining the ever-increasing numbers of Maxxus/BYD/Aiways dross on the roads here.

[BFleming]

On the whole "give me back the Macan with a petrol engine" debate, as Nomme de Plum rightly says, it is still there. Today's car's full name is the "Macan Electric". The "Macan" still exists, and they're 2 completely different cars. Yes, Porsche UK have said no more Macan (remember, that's the Petrol one) from the end of 2024, but Porsche will continue to make it - just not in RHD with a MPH speedometer.

Andy86GT said:

... personally I'd be embarrassed to have Turbo written on a car with no ICE.

This is a repeat of the whole Taycan discussion 4 years ago. People got it (eventually) back then. Yet it's going to make an appearance for every new Porsche model though, right? Debadge option for you then, or will the V5 entry also be enough to embarass you?!
It's all as predictable as the "massive depreciation" post I suppose.

[Lotobear]

BFleming said:

On the whole "give me back the Macan with a petrol engine" debate, as Nomme de Plum rightly says, it is still there. Today's car's full name is the "Macan Electric". The "Macan" still exists, and they're 2 completely different cars. Yes, Porsche UK have said no more Macan (remember, that's the Petrol one) from the end of 2024, but Porsche will continue to make it - just not in RHD with a MPH speedometer.

Andy86GT said:

... personally I'd be embarrassed to have Turbo written on a car with no ICE.

This is a repeat of the whole Taycan discussion 4 years ago. People got it (eventually) back then. Yet it's going to make an appearance for every new Porsche model though, right? Debadge option for you then, or will the V5 entry also be enough to embarass you?!
It's all as predictable as the "massive depreciation" post I suppose.

.....predictable but almost certainly true. But at least we can feel warm and fuzzy having saved the planet by purchasing disposable wasteful gauche tech, it can always be replaced with more stuff after 3 years when it's obsolete and no one wants to buy it.

[DMZ]

cerb4.5lee said:

Folk always seem to get upset when anyone says that about EVs. However for me...there definitely is some truth in it though. All my petrolhead mates perceive an EV as a bland thing for example.

I say it many times, but I also think that your age determines whether you think EVs are dull/bland or not as well. It certainly plays a part in it for me anyway.

I grew up lusting after the Lambo Countach/Magnums Ferrari 308 etc, whereas I'd imagine that the kids of today lust after a Tesla or a Taycan etc in comparison though. Times have just changed I reckon, and not necessarily for the better either.

It is a cross-over so it’s not a major crime to be a bit bland. I nearly prefer that to trying too hard to be sporty tbh. Porsche may have gotten the balance right, only driving one will tell.

Evo seems to like it so there’s that as well.

[cerb4.5lee]

DMZ said:

It is a cross-over so it’s not a major crime to be a bit bland. I nearly prefer that to trying too hard to be sporty tbh. Porsche may have gotten the balance right, only driving one will tell.

Evo seems to like it so there’s that as well.

Yes and I'd agree with that too. Our family SUV does the boring/relaxed thing well I reckon, so I definitely get where you're coming from.

[Nomme de Plum]

Lotobear said:

Nomme de Plum said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Folk always seem to get upset when anyone says that about EVs. However for me...there definitely is some truth in it though. All my petrolhead mates perceive an EV as a bland thing for example.

I say it many times, but I also think that your age determines whether you think EVs are dull/bland or not as well. It certainly plays a part in it for me anyway.

I grew up lusting after the Lambo Countach/Magnums Ferrari 308 etc, whereas I'd imagine that the kids of today lust after a Tesla or a Taycan etc in comparison though. Times have just changed I reckon, and not necessarily for the better either.

My experience of kids of today do not lust after cars at all. That time has gone. I'm sure there will still be a few but there are far too many other distractions and hobbies/sports to take their interest, other than this i don't really see an age connection.

That'll be why my 22 year old son has just bought his 2nd Clio RS 200 then and all his mates drive performance ICE cars. I see absolutely no interest in EV's from him or any of his extensive peer group but maybe it's an ap norf fing

Most sensible young people I know want their own place so put their concentration into buying an apartment or house in front of a hot hatch. They will also be quite sport and career orientated and travel extensively. If they have a car at all it will be a necessary tool.

[dgswk]

LankyFreak said:

I'd rather a Clio Campus. Far cooler.

We love ours

[Nomme de Plum]

Lotobear said:

.....predictable but almost certainly true. But at least we can feel warm and fuzzy having saved the planet by purchasing disposable wasteful gauche tech, it can always be replaced with more stuff after 3 years when it's obsolete and no one wants to buy it.

Unfortunately for you evidence says otherwise. There plenty of ten year old EVs about. There's about 5.5M used cars traded every year, gradually more of them will be EV. I reckon 5 or 6 years before the non obsessive general public see how they work.

Having said that if you live in a place that cannot provide charging and you do more than 3 or 4 K a year then an EV is currently not a good choice.

I see mainly it is A/B types that have been the early adopters for obvious reasons.