RE: New Tesla Model 3 Performance gets 510hp
Discussion
stimshady said:
howardhughes said:
I've mentioned this many times previously. The rate of EV's making headlines on this site is alarming. In my opinion the site should be split ICE / EV's This way we can choose between the two and not force-fed the tripe of electric cars every time you hit the home page.
good idea. not many pistons in battery cars are there. Maybe they could make a whole new site for 'em.At a slight tangent what about the Mazda rotary engine?
tripleB said:
Still needs either a HUD or small instrument cluster in front of the driver for key details like speed.
I really don't see why the speedo is such an issue.It's not like it's in the passenger footwell. It's perfectly legible and just requires a slight glance left instead of a slight glance down.
I'm old enough to remember something far more offset and that didn't cause a flurry of complaints
620S said:
In 15 years i foresee heaps of these laid up while everyone tries to work out how they should be sustainably disposed of..
Anything's possible I suppose.I suspect an industry will be emerging to recycle the minerals, given that the integrity of the individual elements remains the same throughout the car's life and for several hundred years after extracting them from the earth.
Disposing of them would be economically bizarre simply due to their value but especially as recycling will no doubt be mandated and the landfill 'gotcha' also comes with punitive cost.
Granted, it's going take some time before the century-old mentality of simply digging up and burning stuff once, and hoping its all good, goes away.
tripleB said:
Still needs either a HUD or small instrument cluster in front of the driver for key details like speed. Such a simple thing to add, it’s nuts something touted as so futuristic doesn’t have a HUD
Tons of aftermarket solutions for this now if it's a priority. I agree that a HUD is a very nice thing to have, and obviously lots of people agree as there are solutions out there. Would be great to see one as standard but it's easily solvable.stimshady said:
Nomme de Plum said:
There are a few actually so the name still fits.
At a slight tangent what about the Mazda rotary engine?
hmm.. yeah, i can imagine that wankel engine is a bit more up your street.At a slight tangent what about the Mazda rotary engine?
Still my EVs have pistons just not used so much as in the previous ICEs.
Howard1650 said:
Is this thread the end for Pistonheads?
Has the love of ICE finally be reduced to a hobby for the old generation?
I have failed as an Uncle....... Chating to my Sisters 3 teenagers at Christmas revealed they all wanted a Tesla, we ran through the 'old' classics MB 300SL Gulwing, 280 Pagoda up to the modern Lambos, Ferraris and Astons but they were very insistent a Tesla is what they all wanted to drive when they get on the road and can afford a 'proper' car. Has the love of ICE finally be reduced to a hobby for the old generation?
When we asked why the answer was simple, they are quiet, high tech, vegan and good for the environment. I fear fun noisy ICE cars are already reduced to being a hobby for the older generation. There will be a few who stick with it but it will be a few.
I will be keeping my V8 Mercedes until they price us off the road but I fear it might become an embarrassment!!
Muzzer79 said:
tripleB said:
Still needs either a HUD or small instrument cluster in front of the driver for key details like speed.
I really don't see why the speedo is such an issue.It's not like it's in the passenger footwell. It's perfectly legible and just requires a slight glance left instead of a slight glance down.
I'm old enough to remember something far more offset and that didn't cause a flurry of complaints
LeeM135i said:
Howard1650 said:
Is this thread the end for Pistonheads?
Has the love of ICE finally be reduced to a hobby for the old generation?
I have failed as an Uncle....... Chating to my Sisters 3 teenagers at Christmas revealed they all wanted a Tesla, we ran through the 'old' classics MB 300SL Gulwing, 280 Pagoda up to the modern Lambos, Ferraris and Astons but they were very insistent a Tesla is what they all wanted to drive when they get on the road and can afford a 'proper' car. Has the love of ICE finally be reduced to a hobby for the old generation?
When we asked why the answer was simple, they are quiet, high tech, vegan and good for the environment. I fear fun noisy ICE cars are already reduced to being a hobby for the older generation. There will be a few who stick with it but it will be a few.
I will be keeping my V8 Mercedes until they price us off the road but I fear it might become an embarrassment!!
_Hoppers said:
Yes it is as a nod to the Mini's heritage. That's not to say we should not improve the location and readability of key instruments though is it? Looking down is never a good idea when driving a car. The HUD is brilliant in keeping one's attention forward. Although if one sets the speed limiter it is less of an issue.
howardhughes said:
Howard1650 said:
Is this thread the end for Pistonheads?
Has the love of ICE finally be reduced to a hobby for the old generation?
I've mentioned this many times previously. The rate of EV's making headlines on this site is alarming. In my opinion the site should be split ICE / EV's This way we can choose between the two and not force-fed the tripe of electric cars every time you hit the home page.Has the love of ICE finally be reduced to a hobby for the old generation?
Nomme de Plum said:
_Hoppers said:
Yes it is as a nod to the Mini's heritage. That's not to say we should not improve the location and readability of key instruments though is it? Looking down is never a good idea when driving a car. The HUD is brilliant in keeping one's attention forward. Although if one sets the speed limiter it is less of an issue.
But, the point is, let's not pretend that a Tesla is not viable because the speedometer isn't in a binnacle directly in front of the driver. Plenty of other cars don't follow this convention and it's really not a huge deal.
Regarding this claimed 510bhp. Tesla sent an email to me last night "Introducing Model 3 Performance"
It refers to 460 horsepower rather than 510bhp yet also a 2.9 second 0-60mph time. The previous car had a reported 453bhp and 3.1 second 0-60mph time (per Autocar). I suspect the 460bhp is correct and the 2.9 second also just reflects mostly the difference between 0-60 and 0-62 times, perhaps a very slight performance difference.
That seems in line with earlier comment on here that the Shanghai factory cars are 50bhp down from 510bhp.
In my opinion the move away from Michelin Pilot Sport 4S to Pirelli's will likely be a downgrade and wipe out some of the chassis improvement benefits. Also that claimed range
It refers to 460 horsepower rather than 510bhp yet also a 2.9 second 0-60mph time. The previous car had a reported 453bhp and 3.1 second 0-60mph time (per Autocar). I suspect the 460bhp is correct and the 2.9 second also just reflects mostly the difference between 0-60 and 0-62 times, perhaps a very slight performance difference.
That seems in line with earlier comment on here that the Shanghai factory cars are 50bhp down from 510bhp.
In my opinion the move away from Michelin Pilot Sport 4S to Pirelli's will likely be a downgrade and wipe out some of the chassis improvement benefits. Also that claimed range
J4CKO said:
howardhughes said:
Howard1650 said:
Is this thread the end for Pistonheads?
Has the love of ICE finally be reduced to a hobby for the old generation?
I've mentioned this many times previously. The rate of EV's making headlines on this site is alarming. In my opinion the site should be split ICE / EV's This way we can choose between the two and not force-fed the tripe of electric cars every time you hit the home page.Has the love of ICE finally be reduced to a hobby for the old generation?
And yes, people being born now wont be arsed about combustion engines, as they wont generally have any exposure to them, like just a few generations before nobody was all that fussed ether as they didnt exist.
We only have an affinity for them as we grew up with them, we will die off and new people come through who have been exposed to different stuff, my great granddad was a gamekeeper on the Duke of Bedfords estate, he didnt have a car, preferred horses as he was around them all his life. Where most of us on here wont be massive horse enthusiasts, they are lovely animals but I tend to keep away as they are massive, tetchy, apt to boot you and nick your Polo mints.
Pre war cars are now hard to shift and surprisingly cheap in a lot of cases as everyone who had or wanted one is now either very elderly or dead, same will happen and is happening for post war cars and sixties stuff, seventies and eighties models will be next. There will always been outliers who buck the trend and get into old stuff but by and large the majority seek out what they know.
My eldest was messing with an old Austin Seven my mother in law has and went to the local Seven owners club meet, he was the youngest there at by about 25 by fifty years, most 25 year olds dont have an Austin Seven, know, or care what it is, most if they had one couldn't drive it or wouldn't be seen dead in it.
Nobody will be burning fossil fuels in cars in another fifty years, seeing one will be like a while back I was out on my bike having a pedal round Cheshire and there was a Traction Engine in a pub car park in Goostrey.
We need to enjoy our ICE cars, will be fine for a good while yet, nobody is stopping us having one but interest will naturally wane over the coming years as we all pop off, nothing is permanent, things change, embrace the best bits and what you like and try not to worry about it as it will happen one way or another anyway !
_Hoppers said:
BMW had the good sense to put a digital speed readout in the little display in the middle of the tacho that's in front of the driver though.The penny pinching crap with stalks and instruments and that "personal transport pod for standard NPC: budget edition" interior is very off putting.
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