RE: New Tesla Model 3 Performance gets 510hp
Discussion
JAMSXR said:
cerb4.5lee said:
JAMSXR said:
The Model 3 is arguably a better steer than something like a 3 series, and that’s what it’s competing against, it’s not looking to take Caterham sales…
Never in a million years is it trying to compete with a 3 series for me. Have you seen the state of the inside? It is on a par with Ford/Vauxhall/Peugeot to me, and it isn't trying to be in anyway premium in my eyes. A Tesla is great at going fast, and being fantastic regarding efficiency, but everything else seems to have been completely forgot about for some odd reason though.
I recently had a 2023 VW Tiguan R-Line as a loan car, and I thought the interior in that was lousy. Cheap plastic everywhere, cheap feeling buttons on the steering wheel etc. Not to mention cloth seats! I couldn't understand why anyone would consider paying over £40k for it for sure(or the equivalent monthlies).
big_rob_sydney said:
Not sure the 3 series is the last word in premium interiors.
I can't argue with that at all. I remember when we picked the 2018 F82 M4 up on collection day back in 2021, and both myself and my missus genuinely laughed out loud about the interior, because it was basically exactly the same interior as the 2006 E90 330d that we had back in 2006. It is mad really how BMW never seem to move their interiors on very much I think. People: the term "OG" comes from Ice T's 1991 album "O.G. Original Gangster". This means the term is at least thirty-three years old if my math is correct. Meanwhile, everyone here: "What is this new-fangled OG business? It's outrageous and unacceptable!"
This basically confirms my suspicions about the demographics here.
This basically confirms my suspicions about the demographics here.
cerb4.5lee said:
otolith said:
Every set of lights would turn into a traffic light GP for me I reckon.
As a B road overtaking machine the Model 3 (LR or P) is very effective (more than any other car I've driven)
Hiro11 said:
People: the term "OG" comes from Ice T's 1991 album "O.G. Original Gangster". This means the term is at least thirty-three years old if my math is correct. Meanwhile, everyone here: "What is this new-fangled OG business? It's outrageous and unacceptable!"
This basically confirms my suspicions about the demographics here.
Are you basically saying that we are all old gits then?! This basically confirms my suspicions about the demographics here.
WestyCarl said:
cerb4.5lee said:
otolith said:
Every set of lights would turn into a traffic light GP for me I reckon.
As a B road overtaking machine the Model 3 (LR or P) is very effective (more than any other car I've driven)
You have to remember that I grew up with my Dad having a 1979 V8 5.0 Mustang from 1980 to 1990 though, and I was 7 years old when he got it, so naturally engine/exhaust noise has been very important to me ever since.
Itsallicanafford said:
I’m 3 years into plain Jane Model 3 dual motor ownership as part of my only buy petrol for fun policy (for track days or exhibiting our classic) as I think 30 years of being ripped off by oil companies is quite enough. After nearly 50k miles in the Tesla, I absolutely love it. In appliance white, on 18 inch wheels with plastic hub caps and circa 400bhp, it is, hands down, the greatest sleeper of all time. It is laugh out loud fun. I’m having one of these new performances, in black so you would had to look real hard to see it’s a performance. My only slight regret is they didn’t do something nutty, like give it 800bhp…
The same, although I came from an "OG" M3p. I was very happy with £99 quid of service costs in the entire four years it was with me (brake fluid check). The 21" wheels were a bit uncomfortable at times.The performance was hilarious, and every time I took it out, I would have a giggle. Often I would take it out instead of my Ultima or KTMDriving from Oxford to Devon cost me about £3.80 in electricity, or free if I was charging from my solar panels. After the first 30 minutes of driving, I really didn't care where the speedo was; I was too busy having fun. Autopilot was a godsend on slow, busy motorways (M5 to Devon). The only reason I sold it was that I am abroad for 8 months.
Back in November. Sorely tempted to goto a Model S Plaid, but this looks fantastic as well. Will have to have a think..
I also kinda hoped they would go a bit more crazy with that power - maybe add carbon wrapped rotors and go north of 700hp, but that would stomp on a Plaid.
The thing about a Model 3 Performance is that is a very expensive car in overall ownership costs.
Nearly 60k new 3 years ago and close to 20k now is quite harsh depreciation - who can afford that? I don't recall any decent Lease or PCP deals on these either on personal terms - maybe that will change.
I think the base Model 3 and the LR make much more sense.
Nearly 60k new 3 years ago and close to 20k now is quite harsh depreciation - who can afford that? I don't recall any decent Lease or PCP deals on these either on personal terms - maybe that will change.
I think the base Model 3 and the LR make much more sense.
They have lowered the PCP rates on Model 3 at Tesla by 4% to now 5.6% which make a sizeable dent in the monthlies if you have equity in your current car to put down a decent deposit.
I’m not a huge fan of Tesla and the new interior is awful, clearly for the Chinese market with the cheapo mood lighting BUT at last the 3 has enough difference to be worth of a Performance badge.
New seats, brakes, adaptive damping and aero. At last.
If Tesla depreciation remains as horrific as it is now, in 3 years I’ll be buying one 2nd hand.
Shame they don’t offer more wheel options though as those ones are far too big. Aftermarket will sort that.
Right now, new with monthly depreciation approaching £1k nope.
I’m not a huge fan of Tesla and the new interior is awful, clearly for the Chinese market with the cheapo mood lighting BUT at last the 3 has enough difference to be worth of a Performance badge.
New seats, brakes, adaptive damping and aero. At last.
If Tesla depreciation remains as horrific as it is now, in 3 years I’ll be buying one 2nd hand.
Shame they don’t offer more wheel options though as those ones are far too big. Aftermarket will sort that.
Right now, new with monthly depreciation approaching £1k nope.
LivLL said:
I’m not a huge fan of Tesla and the new interior is awful, clearly for the Chinese market with the cheapo mood lighting BUT at last the 3 has enough difference to be worth of a Performance badge.
I watched the Harry's Garage video on the Model 3 last night, and I couldn't believe how bad the interior looked as well. I personally couldn't spend time in that interior for sure, although maybe I'm just too much of a snob when it comes to interiors though. I'd want my money back if I'd payed for a car with such a shoddy interior like that has for sure. The owners of them must just turn a blind eye to it though, and they must just see the interior as the trade off for getting such cheap running costs with the car overall I reckon.
Plus we're all different, and we all like different things as well, and what is right for one person, won't be right for another I think.
LivLL said:
They have lowered the PCP rates on Model 3 at Tesla by 4% to now 5.6% which make a sizeable dent in the monthlies if you have equity in your current car to put down a decent deposit.
I’m not a huge fan of Tesla and the new interior is awful, clearly for the Chinese market with the cheapo mood lighting BUT at last the 3 has enough difference to be worth of a Performance badge.
New seats, brakes, adaptive damping and aero. At last.
If Tesla depreciation remains as horrific as it is now, in 3 years I’ll be buying one 2nd hand.
Shame they don’t offer more wheel options though as those ones are far too big. Aftermarket will sort that.
Right now, new with monthly depreciation approaching £1k nope.
They will get a lot cheaper as there will be so many model 3s out there, marketplace will be competitive.I’m not a huge fan of Tesla and the new interior is awful, clearly for the Chinese market with the cheapo mood lighting BUT at last the 3 has enough difference to be worth of a Performance badge.
New seats, brakes, adaptive damping and aero. At last.
If Tesla depreciation remains as horrific as it is now, in 3 years I’ll be buying one 2nd hand.
Shame they don’t offer more wheel options though as those ones are far too big. Aftermarket will sort that.
Right now, new with monthly depreciation approaching £1k nope.
I think when they drop into the 8/10 grand price range a lot of the anti EV might start taking notice as I do think there is a lack of experience, fear of the unknown and a perception they are expensive cars for posh w
kers.As one member of a group gets one, others experience it and think it’s now a possibility, as it is, those without the means to buy, or a job without a salary sacrifice scheme aren’t getting as much exposure as those in a more middle class type scenarios.
Will see Model 3s with those air deflectors pretty soon flying round areas where you dont really see any EVs.
LivLL said:
They have lowered the PCP rates on Model 3 at Tesla by 4% to now 5.6% which make a sizeable dent in the monthlies if you have equity in your current car to put down a decent deposit.
I’m not a huge fan of Tesla and the new interior is awful, clearly for the Chinese market with the cheapo mood lighting BUT at last the 3 has enough difference to be worth of a Performance badge.
New seats, brakes, adaptive damping and aero. At last.
If Tesla depreciation remains as horrific as it is now, in 3 years I’ll be buying one 2nd hand.
Shame they don’t offer more wheel options though as those ones are far too big. Aftermarket will sort that.
Right now, new with monthly depreciation approaching £1k nope.
To be clear it’s only the RWD and LR that have dropped APR to 5.6%. The Performance is still an eye watering 9.6%.I’m not a huge fan of Tesla and the new interior is awful, clearly for the Chinese market with the cheapo mood lighting BUT at last the 3 has enough difference to be worth of a Performance badge.
New seats, brakes, adaptive damping and aero. At last.
If Tesla depreciation remains as horrific as it is now, in 3 years I’ll be buying one 2nd hand.
Shame they don’t offer more wheel options though as those ones are far too big. Aftermarket will sort that.
Right now, new with monthly depreciation approaching £1k nope.
I’m not going to buy another one outright again, not after suffering the crushing depreciation. My M3P has lost ~£830/month in depreciation last I checked, and I’m pretty sure that was less than the lease/PCP quotes I was getting back in the tail end of 2019.
Not going to entertain 9.6% APR though.
cerb4.5lee said:
I watched the Harry's Garage video on the Model 3 last night, and I couldn't believe how bad the interior looked as well. I personally couldn't spend time in that interior for sure, although maybe I'm just too much of a snob when it comes to interiors though.
I'd want my money back if I'd payed for a car with such a shoddy interior like that has for sure. The owners of them must just turn a blind eye to it though, and they must just see the interior as the trade off for getting such cheap running costs with the car overall I reckon.
Plus we're all different, and we all like different things as well, and what is right for one person, won't be right for another I think.
You’re confusing aesthetics and design with quality of manufacturing and materials. The latter in a new Model 3 is as good as anyone else in the segment, BMW and Mercedes included. It is far from a shoddy interior. I'd want my money back if I'd payed for a car with such a shoddy interior like that has for sure. The owners of them must just turn a blind eye to it though, and they must just see the interior as the trade off for getting such cheap running costs with the car overall I reckon.
Plus we're all different, and we all like different things as well, and what is right for one person, won't be right for another I think.
Aesthetics and design, well, some people like Bauhaus chairs and some people like Chesterfields. Doesn’t mean one is any better than the other in terms of appearance.
2. My OCD is struggling with the naming convention here. Top Model S is called Plaid and features Plaid badging. This has Ludicrous badging (one rung below Plaid) but is called Performance?! Either change the badging or change the name. The latter makes more sense to me and aligns it with the S and X.
My assumption on the naming is that you’re correct. This is the Performance one and a Plaid may well appear in a couple of years to add a halo (and more importantly maintain the margin these higher spec cars deliver).
CheesecakeRunner said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I watched the Harry's Garage video on the Model 3 last night, and I couldn't believe how bad the interior looked as well. I personally couldn't spend time in that interior for sure, although maybe I'm just too much of a snob when it comes to interiors though.
I'd want my money back if I'd payed for a car with such a shoddy interior like that has for sure. The owners of them must just turn a blind eye to it though, and they must just see the interior as the trade off for getting such cheap running costs with the car overall I reckon.
Plus we're all different, and we all like different things as well, and what is right for one person, won't be right for another I think.
You’re confusing aesthetics and design with quality of manufacturing and materials. The latter in a new Model 3 is as good as anyone else in the segment, BMW and Mercedes included. It is far from a shoddy interior. I'd want my money back if I'd payed for a car with such a shoddy interior like that has for sure. The owners of them must just turn a blind eye to it though, and they must just see the interior as the trade off for getting such cheap running costs with the car overall I reckon.
Plus we're all different, and we all like different things as well, and what is right for one person, won't be right for another I think.
Aesthetics and design, well, some people like Bauhaus chairs and some people like Chesterfields. Doesn’t mean one is any better than the other in terms of appearance.
Durzel said:
To be clear it’s only the RWD and LR that have dropped APR to 5.6%. The Performance is still an eye watering 9.6%.
I’m not going to buy another one outright again, not after suffering the crushing depreciation. My M3P has lost ~£830/month in depreciation last I checked, and I’m pretty sure that was less than the lease/PCP quotes I was getting back in the tail end of 2019.
Not going to entertain 9.6% APR though.
Imho very few people^ will commit their own money to any new EV as the market just seems too unstable. Rocky road ahead for the manufactures. 2nd hand too is a risk as Elon keeps dropping prices which hurts all owners. I’m not going to buy another one outright again, not after suffering the crushing depreciation. My M3P has lost ~£830/month in depreciation last I checked, and I’m pretty sure that was less than the lease/PCP quotes I was getting back in the tail end of 2019.
Not going to entertain 9.6% APR though.
^other than perhaps business owners or business users which seems to be the bulk of purchasing now anyway
TX.
Fastlane said:
jwdh1 said:
I don’t really understand where the enmity comes from wrt EVs , it’s not an either/or situation with ICE cars! We’ve recently bought an EV to do the mundane stuff (town, shopping, school runs etc) and it’s brilliant. On our EV tariff, it costs £8 to ‘fill it up’ and it will do 250 miles on that, compare that to any ICE car and you’ll come up short. Would I replace one/any of the Ferraris with it for a drive out in the sunshine; nope - but wouldn’t take one of those to the supermarket either…
absolutely. It's very odd and irrational. There are many posters on here (who usually drive cars that have all the modern comforts to make everyday driving more comfortable, at the expense of pure driving involvement) who like to suggest that someone who has an EV can't be car enthusiast/doesn't like driving/hasn't had a nice car before etc...Most EV owners will have driven countless ICE cars and therefore have very valid views on the comparison. But when they try to explain this to the people who hold the above views, they are labelled EVangelists, or worse.
We have 2 EVs, both used daily covering 25k miles a year between them. I am on my second EV and we are awaiting a replacement EV for my wife. 99% of our journeys are for a purpose other than driving pleasure and an EV is brilliant for this. For the other 1% I take my supercharged Atom...
TX.
cerb4.5lee said:
CheesecakeRunner said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I watched the Harry's Garage video on the Model 3 last night, and I couldn't believe how bad the interior looked as well. I personally couldn't spend time in that interior for sure, although maybe I'm just too much of a snob when it comes to interiors though.
I'd want my money back if I'd payed for a car with such a shoddy interior like that has for sure. The owners of them must just turn a blind eye to it though, and they must just see the interior as the trade off for getting such cheap running costs with the car overall I reckon.
Plus we're all different, and we all like different things as well, and what is right for one person, won't be right for another I think.
You’re confusing aesthetics and design with quality of manufacturing and materials. The latter in a new Model 3 is as good as anyone else in the segment, BMW and Mercedes included. It is far from a shoddy interior. I'd want my money back if I'd payed for a car with such a shoddy interior like that has for sure. The owners of them must just turn a blind eye to it though, and they must just see the interior as the trade off for getting such cheap running costs with the car overall I reckon.
Plus we're all different, and we all like different things as well, and what is right for one person, won't be right for another I think.
Aesthetics and design, well, some people like Bauhaus chairs and some people like Chesterfields. Doesn’t mean one is any better than the other in terms of appearance.
For example: the Tesla heating/air con is leagues ahead of the BMW. There's no vents to adjust, it just keeps the car at consistenly the temp specificied without direct blasts of air, I've always had to fiddle with other cars to get them right depending on the outside conditions.
Sat Nav voice control is better than my previous BMW 5. (plus it has some clever AI to suggest destinations which is unervingly accurate)
I like the minimalism of ther Tesla but would like a few physical buttons for the entertainment as BMW have.
Just becuase it's very minimal don't assume it's not quality, shoddy or clever.
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