RE: New Tesla Model 3 Performance gets 510hp
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Itsallicanafford said:
I’m 3 years into plain Jane Model 3 dual motor ownership as part of my only buy petrol for fun policy (for track days or exhibiting our classic) as I think 30 years of being ripped off by oil companies is quite enough. After nearly 50k miles in the Tesla, I absolutely love it. In appliance white, on 18 inch wheels with plastic hub caps and circa 400bhp, it is, hands down, the greatest sleeper of all time. It is laugh out loud fun. I’m having one of these new performances, in black so you would had to look real hard to see it’s a performance. My only slight regret is they didn’t do something nutty, like give it 800bhp…
That's what the Plaid moniker is for. Along with Carbon Ceramics. howardhughes said:
Howard1650 said:
Is this thread the end for Pistonheads?
Has the love of ICE finally be reduced to a hobby for the old generation?
I've mentioned this many times previously. The rate of EV's making headlines on this site is alarming. In my opinion the site should be split ICE / EV's This way we can choose between the two and not force-fed the tripe of electric cars every time you hit the home page.Has the love of ICE finally be reduced to a hobby for the old generation?
Don't click on what you don't want to read. It's not difficult to guess that an article about a Tesla is going to include lots of chat about EVs.
David87 said:
1. See the images below from Tesla’s US and UK websites. Seems cars out of the Shanghai factory have 50hp less than the California ones. Or do they as the 0-60mph times are identical?! The batteries are certainly different and that could impact performance or it might not. YouTube, do your thing.
I suspect this is because Europe has introduced specific regulations to align how to quote EV power output, based on how long the power is sustained for etc so that people don't make up their own ways of measuing/quoting. This has not been adopted by US, and I'm not aware of any equivalent standards, therefore there may be more "leeway" in what figures you can publish.
If you're REALLY bored, you can have a read of this document on the details of GTR-21....
https://unece.org/sites/default/files/2021-10/ECE_...
SuperPav said:
David87 said:
1. See the images below from Tesla’s US and UK websites. Seems cars out of the Shanghai factory have 50hp less than the California ones. Or do they as the 0-60mph times are identical?! The batteries are certainly different and that could impact performance or it might not. YouTube, do your thing.
I suspect this is because Europe has introduced specific regulations to align how to quote EV power output, based on how long the power is sustained for etc so that people don't make up their own ways of measuing/quoting. This has not been adopted by US, and I'm not aware of any equivalent standards, therefore there may be more "leeway" in what figures you can publish.
If you're REALLY bored, you can have a read of this document on the details of GTR-21....
https://unece.org/sites/default/files/2021-10/ECE_...
I cant wait till mine arrives. Still keeping the Lexus for now though, and trading the "old" model 3, just in case we have to do huge drives. But I will say though that I went from maybe 12,000 miles a year to about 500 since the EV arrived. I'm starting to get to a point where I think an ICE is really surplus.
Some funny comments in this thread that seem to be anti-EV or whatever. But I was never really an EV lover until I had a go in one, and I would say, try it for a few months, and you might be surprised. Sure, some people will say they tried it and went back to ICE. Fair enough. But there are a lot of people who have gone EV and really love it. As far as a daily driver, none of my subarus came close, heavily modified or standard, and even my lexus is starting to lose its appeal for everything except its ability to do 550 miles in one go.
Some funny comments in this thread that seem to be anti-EV or whatever. But I was never really an EV lover until I had a go in one, and I would say, try it for a few months, and you might be surprised. Sure, some people will say they tried it and went back to ICE. Fair enough. But there are a lot of people who have gone EV and really love it. As far as a daily driver, none of my subarus came close, heavily modified or standard, and even my lexus is starting to lose its appeal for everything except its ability to do 550 miles in one go.
Ken_Code said:
I never used to do enough miles that these made sense, which is why buying my Model S was a poor decision.
Given how cheap used model 3s are though it’s a bit more tempting.
How many miles to you have to do to make spending £90000 on a car make sense?Given how cheap used model 3s are though it’s a bit more tempting.
An airport taxi driver amount of miles if someone was asking me.
Edited by ChocolateFrog on Wednesday 24th April 11:38
I drove a M3P shortly after they came out and while it was very very quick, I was bored after 10 minutes and felt it was a tacky product.
Earlier this year I had a SR for a week and was impressed, seemed better built, practical, easy to use, quick and achieved around 200 miles range.
While I can't believe they've removed an indicator stork (have Tesla R&D ever used roundabouts) I would consider a SR or LR, but not the performance.
However what impresses me most about the model 3 is how efficient they are.
Earlier this year I had a SR for a week and was impressed, seemed better built, practical, easy to use, quick and achieved around 200 miles range.
While I can't believe they've removed an indicator stork (have Tesla R&D ever used roundabouts) I would consider a SR or LR, but not the performance.
However what impresses me most about the model 3 is how efficient they are.
Seems a nice improvement over the outgoing Tesla 3 that I think never quite looked modern.
At £60k it seems like a bit of a bargain and bang on M340i money.
Be watching the reviews though personally my pick for me of the bunch if I felt the need for a new performance EV would be a Hyundai Ioniq 5N.
I’d probably save £30-35k but and get the current Model 3 Performance or the newest standard Model 3 which is perfectly adequate.
Rory’s review on Autotrader YouTube channel is pretty good and fair I think.
At £60k it seems like a bit of a bargain and bang on M340i money.
Be watching the reviews though personally my pick for me of the bunch if I felt the need for a new performance EV would be a Hyundai Ioniq 5N.
I’d probably save £30-35k but and get the current Model 3 Performance or the newest standard Model 3 which is perfectly adequate.
Rory’s review on Autotrader YouTube channel is pretty good and fair I think.
Edited by CG2020UK on Wednesday 24th April 12:00
Mouse Rat said:
However what impresses me most about the model 3 is how efficient they are.
I think that is the rub really. The model 3 works well for tight gits and boring people to me, because anyone who wants a bit of excitement in their life, wouldn't give a rats ass about efficiency in my opinion. ChocolateFrog said:
Worth noting they're $53k in the US before subsidies.
So not only do they earn more, it's significantly cheaper.
I know cars always cost more here but I wonder if the extra margin is because they're not that bothered about the RHD market?
I may be wrong but I thought US MSRP doesn’t include taxes and license fees. So not only do they earn more, it's significantly cheaper.
I know cars always cost more here but I wonder if the extra margin is because they're not that bothered about the RHD market?
JAMSXR said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Worth noting they're $53k in the US before subsidies.
So not only do they earn more, it's significantly cheaper.
I know cars always cost more here but I wonder if the extra margin is because they're not that bothered about the RHD market?
I may be wrong but I thought US MSRP doesn’t include taxes and license fees. So not only do they earn more, it's significantly cheaper.
I know cars always cost more here but I wonder if the extra margin is because they're not that bothered about the RHD market?
Although why would you quote a price without them, would be odd to see car prices quoted ex VAT in the UK.
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