RE: Lancia Delta HF Integrale 16V | Spotted

RE: Lancia Delta HF Integrale 16V | Spotted

Tuesday 23rd April

Lancia Delta HF Integrale 16V | Spotted

Affordable Evos are a thing of the past. Now collectors have a new target in sight


For years, box-arched Lancia Delta Evos have only been within the reach of rally fans with bottomless pockets. A first or second gen Evolution could easily make a near-£100k dent in your cash savings, while the really rare stuff - the Martini 5s, Final Editions and Club Italias - command the sort of money that could have bought you a genuine rally car not so long ago. Little wonder, given how much they resemble the rally machines and their relative scarcity (nobody mention the ‘r’ word), but there’s fortunately a world of hot Deltas outside the run of Evos that are a more attainable - if only by a smidgen.

Before a real Delta set foot on a rally stage (not counting the S4, which was a Delta in name only), the hottest versions were front-wheel drive. Lancia launched the warmed-up HF, for High Fidelity, in 1983 with a peppy 130hp 1.6-litre turbo engine to shift it along, before the introduction of a hotter HF Turbo two years later which dialled the power up to a Mk2 Golf GTI-beating 140hp. However, the Delta came into its own with the arrival of the HF Integrale 8v, which bore a much stronger resemblance to the Group A rally cars with permanent all-wheel drive, a rear Torsen limited-slip differential and a punchy 185hp turbocharged 2.0-litre motor.

Then came the HF Integrale 16v, much like the one you see here. This is arguably the starting point of the ‘normal’ Delta rally specials, with the 16v serving as a homologation special so that Lancia could introduce its newest engine on its WRC cars. Doubling the valves, as well as larger injectors and an upgraded Garrett turbocharged contributed to a 15hp bump, bringing the total output up to a nice round 200hp. The torque distribution was changed, too, switching from a more front-biased setup on the 8v to a more rearward tune on the 16v. That all had a drastic effect on acceleration, slashing the 0-62mph from 6.6 seconds on the 8v to an Evo-matching 5.7 seconds. No wonder Lancia bagged three WRC constructors’ championships with the 16v. 

Granted, the 16v isn’t as muscular as the Evos that’d follow, but it’s still a mean-looking thing with its stretch arches, twin exhausts and those achingly cool dark grey split alloys. Much of the design was carried over from the 8v, though the bonnet had the distinct Delta bulge to accommodate the larger 16v head. The interior was left untouched for launch models like this one, so you still get the Martini-style diagonal striping on the Recaro cloth seats. Admittedly, you often find them torn and faded on cars that have been well-used (they’re 35 years old now), but they’re pristine on this example.

The same goes for the rest of the car, with the alloy wheels, Rosso Monza paint and most importantly bodywork all in what appears to be immaculate condition. Which is to be expected from a car that’s only covered 23,696 miles since 1989, and has supposedly been ‘carefully stored’ when not being ragged down a country lane like Miki Biasion on an RAC Rally special stage. That checks out from the pictures, because a Delta left outside in the wind and rain isn't a Delta for very long.

You know where this is going, don’t you? A collector-grade, UK-spec (though the wheel’s still on the left) homologation special, in red, and with no visible signs of corrosion. All yours for £52,495. Oof. On the upside, that’s still £30k below the cheapest Evo listed at the time of writing, and the only Delta going for less than that is this ‘award-winning’ HF Turbo for £33k. So the 16v is still a more affordable alternative to the Evo specials, it’s just not nearly as attainable as it once was. A story that’s getting all too familiar these days.


SPECIFICATION | LANCIA DELTA HF INTEGRALE 16V

Engine: 1,995cc four-cylinder, turbocharged
Transmission: five-speed manual, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 200@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 228@3,000rpm
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
Year registered: 1989
Recorded mileage: 23,696
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £52,495


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wistec1

Original Poster:

291 posts

42 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Great read and profile raising feature for the HF. It's the evo that's on my bucket list so nothing else with a Lancia badge will do.

Dombilano

1,146 posts

56 months

Wednesday 24th April
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The automotive Taylor Swift, talented but you really want the full fat Madonna.

NGK210

2,959 posts

146 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Sold mine for £7500 bowtie
While the car in the ad looks mighty fine, I’d be very, very, very wary of buying a garage queen – Integrales do not respond well to being inactive…

CarlosSainz100

500 posts

121 months

Wednesday 24th April
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I always wonder how much these kind of dealerships gave the previous owner, assuming it's not on SOR. I'm betting 'not a lot'

harleywilma

520 posts

244 months

Wednesday 24th April
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These where made from pig iron mixed with paper mashe. I had the lancia delta turbo and the windsreen fell out,absolute rust bucket, cant imagine a sprinkle of fairy dust is going to help a restored one

NGK210

2,959 posts

146 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Dombilano said:
The automotive Taylor Swift, talented but you really want the full fat Madonna.
Umm…


courty

402 posts

78 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Chris Harris has a you tube video which is pretty good.
He prefers the 8v, mainly because they are about half the price, but he also talks about one or two other differences. Mainly however it will be the mentality of enjoying the use of a 15k car, rather than a pristine showroom condition collector's vehicle.
Owning a 1980's fwd Lancia saloon based on the cooking Delta myself, bought for £2k, even with a standard 1.6l non-turbo, these cars are very light and the gearing and handling a lot of fun. They will fall apart in five minutes if not protected from the elements though...

Dombilano

1,146 posts

56 months

Wednesday 24th April
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NGK210 said:
Dombilano said:
The automotive Taylor Swift, talented but you really want the full fat Madonna.
Umm…

Pre 1995 caveat

Quickmoose

4,495 posts

124 months

Wednesday 24th April
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How many other cars can equal this for 'want' despite nearly every fibre of your logical being screaming at you not to do it.
Even design wise, it's not beautiful, glamourous or that well proportioned (imo) BUT I just want it, it totally goes beyond every normal measure of a car on the desirability stakes...

Very happy for these to be kept going in this condition, owned by someone else...

Pereldh

542 posts

113 months

Wednesday 24th April
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They forgot a vital car in the Deltasphere....
The pre-Integrale 165hp Lancia Delta HF Turbo 4x4 that won WRC 1987.


Firebobby

541 posts

40 months

Wednesday 24th April
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I hankered after an integrale when launched, but like the Sunbeam lotus a generation earlier they were always beyond my reach! I don't think they'd hit the spot quite the same today though. Looks the real deal, but it's a miss from me. Time doesn't always heal all!

Every day a journey

1,599 posts

39 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Would rather have a mint Alfa 155 Q4 for a lot less money.

Same engine. Same running gear. More rare.

GTRene

16,597 posts

225 months

Wednesday 24th April
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love the looks of a good HF Integrale Evo.

owned a few Delta's in the past, started with a Martini HF example, then a 8v then a 16v and then a Evo 1

it was a nice build up to the Evo 1, yes, I also would have liked those special more rare versions that later came, but then those were already about twice the price, so no thank you hehe

username_checksout

2 posts

1 month

Wednesday 24th April
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Back in 1994 I used to own, as a daily driver no less, a 1967 1500 Cal-look Beetle with candles for headlights, a fuel gauge that didn't work, no heating, an engine which would often stuck on full throttle, seats which would lift out with a decent tug, a screenwash which would squirt water through the dash rather than on the glass, and as it had been lowered, I couldn't get a jack under it to change the bald tyres.

That was still a less painful driving proposition than the 1992 16v integrale I owned.

Never has a car fallen so short of expectations, after all that has been said about them. If anybody is considering buying one, please please please have a decent test drive first and then ask yourself 'Is it really worth it?'. In addition to giving you bragging rights it will also give you huge garage bills and endless anxiety about what will be the next thing to fall off, stop working, or develop a mind of its own.

As mentioned above, the same 4wd system is available in several decent Alfas, including some made up to the mid-2000s. The 155 Q4 would be my choice too.

smilo996

2,798 posts

171 months

Wednesday 24th April
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"Now collectors have a new target in sight". What a shame, the money men about to ruin another channel into cheap(er) thrills.
Always an Evo fan but these do look so good, simpler, sleeker and more utilitarian.

LotusOmega375D

7,641 posts

154 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Bought one for £5800 ca. 2008 and sold it 18 months later for £7000. It was my wife’s daily driver after we had our second kid and made a good family hatchback, but I got to precious about her taking it to the supermarket etc. and decided to sell it on. It had some electrical gremlins that John Whalley sorted, but was otherwise perfect. 0 - 60mph in 5.7 seconds was not to be sniffed at in 1989. Not sure if Iiked the colour-coded sills or not: should probably have returned them to grey.


Water Fairy

5,510 posts

156 months

Wednesday 24th April
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NGK210 said:
Sold mine for £7500 bowtie
While the car in the ad looks mighty fine, I’d be very, very, very wary of buying a garage queen – Integrales do not respond well to being inactive…
Indeed but it will no doubt remain a garage queen so probably doesn't matter that much sadly.

Always thought the styling of these was just so right for a hatch. Lovely proportions and just the right amount of styling detail.

Lot of green though

Mouse Rat

1,816 posts

93 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Pereldh said:
They forgot a vital car in the Deltasphere....
The pre-Integrale 165hp Lancia Delta HF Turbo 4x4 that won WRC 1987.


dpop

211 posts

133 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Shed of the week a bit early this week!!

BFleming

3,611 posts

144 months

Wednesday 24th April
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dpop said:
Shed of the week a bit early this week!!
I drove an 8v when they were shed money. Well, £2750 IIRC. It felt like the Prisma we had in the late 80's in a lot of ways - it just didn't feel special. Until you put your foot down of course, then it pulled like a train. But it pulled to one side, and plenty of rust bubbling here & there. Just... tatty. Just like the Prisma. I always preferred the Ritmo (Strada) & Regata to the Delta & Prisma. So a 130TC would still be my choice. Could buy 2 immaculate ones for the price of this Delta.