RE: Polestar 5 prototype charges in 10 minutes

[J4CKO]

Sean 2000 said:

ATG said:

Mushroom12 said:

sidesauce said:

That's one in the eye for the argument that EVs take too long to charge. Let's see what they'll complain about next...

Who is 'they'? Did you ever consider that some people want ICE cars and that there's nothing wrong with that? Not everything has to be tribalism based on purchasing decisions

There is something wrong with that; the carbon footprint.

How is that electricity getting produced again? Oh yes, mostly burning fossil fuels isn't it

Have a look at this,

https://gridwatch.co.uk/demand/percent

As of now 52 percent renewables, as a country we have a lot of coastline and its windy, may as well harness that, 26% and 22% solar as of right now.

So no, its not "mostly burning fossil fuels"

Thats the great thing about electricity, can be generated numerous ways, petrol and diesel is only by fractional distillation of crude oil, which is a bit of a messy and unpleasant process, ol there are biofuels but they have a lot of the same disadvantages.

One good thing this government has done is decent investment in renewables, they are a shower by and large but they seem to be getting that right.

And someone always goes, like its the unmasking at the end of Scooby Doo "But what if the wind doesnt blow", well thats when you use your other methods.

Well priced EVs with decent batteries, fast charging and all powered by renewables, we arent there yet but thats the utopia really, and no its not perfect, but it is better for more people, more of the time.

[SDK]

Sean 2000 said:

How is that electricity getting produced again? Oh yes, mostly burning fossil fuels isn't it

In the 1990's it was, but now over 50% of electricity is clean and renewable, with just 32% coming from fossil (gas) (past year average)
Charge an EV during off-peak times (overnight) and the majority of the power is coming from offshore wind.


A typical day for CO2 from electricity generation looks like this.
So if you're cooking, or charging an EV at peak time (approx 4pm to 8pm), then your CO2 footprint is much higher, than if you did those things at another time.

Edited by SDK on Tuesday 30th April 14:24

[Jorge E]

Finally Polestar produces a decent automobile. Not everybody likes SUV´s, crossovers or high vehicles.

[GT9]

MRMNB said:

Is there much difference, if we boil it down - if i wanted to 'recycle' my damaged battery pack but it costs more than the value of the vehicle then its not going to be worth it.

Repair feasibility should, IMHO, be massively prioritized over recycling given the energy intensivity.

Do you mean damage repair?
Obviously recycling applies to every car, damage repair applies to a small group.
The readiness for recycling is both a commercial opportunity but also because it will be mandatory, disposal is not a (legal) option.
Low volumes of batteries are being stockpiled as far as I know, until it makes commercial sense to press the full-scale recycling on switch.

[Snaaakeey]

halo34 said:

Cars a car - EVs offer performance levels that are pretty impressive and will continue to develop - personally I think the clearing of the air needs to be the constant de-railing of threads because "y".

People have a choice of not engaging with posts - exercise yours.

Pistonheads........?

[5lab]

SDK said:

Sean 2000 said:

How is that electricity getting produced again? Oh yes, mostly burning fossil fuels isn't it

In the 1990's it was, but now over 50% of electricity is clean and renewable, with just 32% coming from fossil (gas) (past year average)
Charge an EV during off-peak times (overnight) and the majority of the power is coming from offshore wind.


A typical day for CO2 from electricity generation looks like this.
So if you're cooking, or charging an EV at peak time (approx 4pm to 8pm), then your CO2 footprint is much higher, than if you did those things at another time.

Edited by SDK on Tuesday 30th April 14:24

I'm not denying the overall mix - but if you plug in overnight you're adding load to the network that needs to be met. If we're not in a situation where there is zero fossil fuels being burned, the net load that your car being charged is met by throwing a bit more coal/gas into the power station, because the renewables are already being maxxed out by the rest of the grid load.

[theicemario]

More impressive still is the fact it’s a new car but not a crossover or suv

[GT9]

5lab said:

I'm not denying the overall mix - but if you plug in overnight you're adding load to the network that needs to be met. If we're not in a situation where there is zero fossil fuels being burned, the net load that your car being charged is met by throwing a bit more coal/gas into the power station, because the renewables are already being maxxed out by the rest of the grid load.

What are these other overnight loads that take priority for renewables?
Everyone's in the same pool, the mix is the mix, overnight charging is all part of the aggregate load, singling out specific user types because you don't like them doesn't wash I'm afraid.

[SDK]

5lab said:

I'm not denying the overall mix - but if you plug in overnight you're adding load to the network that needs to be met. If we're not in a situation where there is zero fossil fuels being burned, the net load that your car being charged is met by throwing a bit more coal/gas into the power station, because the renewables are already being maxxed out by the rest of the grid load.

Sure
Very often the overnight electricity price is negative because there is surplus renewable energy, and it’s cheaper to pay people/industry to use it, than pay the generator not to operate.

Coal generation is virtually nothing now.
Renewables is ramping up, so the grid mix is only getting more green.

The argument that EV’s are running on just fossil fuel has long since sailed!
Even China has over 50% renewables now

Edited by SDK on Tuesday 30th April 16:38

[GT9]

Renewable generation has been increasing at an average rate of several % points per annum for the last decade.
1 million EVs adds just 1% or less to the load.
We have 1 million now.
Conclusion: all EVs are therefore 100% renewably powered.
Am I doing this right?

[fatboy b]

SDK said:

Sean 2000 said:

How is that electricity getting produced again? Oh yes, mostly burning fossil fuels isn't it

In the 1990's it was, but now over 50% of electricity is clean and renewable, with just 32% coming from fossil (gas) (past year average)
Charge an EV during off-peak times (overnight) and the majority of the power is coming from offshore wind.


A typical day for CO2 from electricity generation looks like this.
So if you're cooking, or charging an EV at peak time (approx 4pm to 8pm), then your CO2 footprint is much higher, than if you did those things at another time.

Edited by SDK on Tuesday 30th April 14:24

It is dependant on where you live in the uk though. Round where we are it’s more fossils than renewables.

[Gary C]

jenkosrugby said:

Gary C said:

If I have to have an EV, I want one with a torque curve and gears !

Pointless maybe

but it would be fun.

If you have not driven an EV.....The instant torque is (I can assure you)...fun :-)

Yes, a Taycan turbo

but its not as engaging as my 911 even though it has about 600 hp less.

[fatboy b]

jenkosrugby said:

barrycoupe said:

When are positions going to realise that EV’s are not the answer. Polestar have created something the charging network will never ever be able to cope. Not without having thousands and thousands of wind power generators ruining our environment. EV ‘s are too heavy, and this is a blind alley we are being sent down. ICE’s with sustainable fuel has to be a better alternative. Batteries, never.

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about!

And that answer alone is why the divide exists.

Try taking people with you on the journey rather than dismissing their view.

[PVAR]

Kaboom

[braddo]

fatboy b said:

And that answer alone is why the divide exists.

Try taking people with you on the journey rather than dismissing their view.

No it isn't.

People should read and learn instead of posting the same old ste.

[ChocolateFrog]

Glosphil said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Great but totally irrelevant for me as I'd maybe use it once every 3 years or so.

Can we have 10 mile per kWh cars please? I'd be impressed then.

You could probably have that now, but 2 seats & 50 mile range. Made from aluminium & carbon fibre with a cost north of £30k.

Interested?

Why would it only have a 5kWh battery? My Insight from 2000 had a battery about that size.

The point being I'd like them to make more efficient cars normal people can use but that's obviously a lot harder than making faster EVs or thicker charging cables.

[Mytheroo]

GT9 said:

Can you explain how a market that introduces new cars at a rate of 5% p.a. and currently has 1 million EVs in it, would allow the entire market of 33 million car owners to be driving an EV in 2024.
That appears to be a serious maths fail on you part.

ok, so 14 years at 5% per year and EVs are 3% versus a possible 70%....maybe that's a maths win where you're from?

[740EVTORQUES]

Gary C said:

jenkosrugby said:

Gary C said:

If I have to have an EV, I want one with a torque curve and gears !

Pointless maybe

but it would be fun.

If you have not driven an EV.....The instant torque is (I can assure you)...fun :-)

Yes, a Taycan turbo

but its not as engaging as my 911 even though it has about 600 hp less.

I actually find my EV6 GT just as engaging as my 997. Not the same, different, but just as much fun in its own right.

Off on a Black Forest tour in the 997 in a couple of days.

Horses for courses, they’re both great.

Open your mind and there’s a world of electric driving to enjoy out there!

[GT9]

Mytheroo said:

ok, so 14 years at 5% per year and EVs are 3% versus a possible 70%....maybe that's a maths win where you're from?

I'm not entirely sure what point you are making?
Are you talking about 2010 to 2024?

[fatboy b]

braddo said:

fatboy b said:

And that answer alone is why the divide exists.

Try taking people with you on the journey rather than dismissing their view.

No it isn't.

People should read and learn instead of posting the same old ste.

Yet another joins the party. You people don’t get it do you?

BTW, I’m not anti ev. I just don’t think they’re the whole future. Teach me otherwise please.

But the market seems to be voting with their feet, or are you in denial over that too?

Edited by fatboy b on Tuesday 30th April 19:18