RE: JCW Mini GP
Discussion
jazzyjeff said:
tony*t3 said:
jazzyjeff said:
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Seriously though, I wonder why the BMW engineers went to such time and effort with this car. The Sloane poseurs who are likely to buy these cars will only load up every extra possible which will easily cancel out the meagre weight savings achieved! :-(
JJ
Seriously though, I wonder why the BMW engineers went to such time and effort with this car. The Sloane poseurs who are likely to buy these cars will only load up every extra possible which will easily cancel out the meagre weight savings achieved! :-(
JJ
You couldn't be more stupid, could you....? You just have to throw in a derogotory comment about the owners, despite the fact that Minis are owned by all types of people, the only classless car for sale in the UK today. The guy on Fifth gears got one for when he isnt using his Enzo or Mac F1 for instance, because he's open minded enough to understand that its a superb car.
Oh, and no, as all 2000 cars are identically specced at the factory, there are no opitions to add the weight back on.
Edited by tony*t3 on Tuesday 1st August 20:57
Tony...and you couldn't help but open your big gob before engaging brain and reading my post properly..!
YES Minis are bought by all kinds of people.
However, most of them buy the standard cars, not this glorified shopping trolley for £22k when you can buy much more car per pound be it regular saloon, estate, or, dare I say it even a proper two seat sports car (I did..).
These kinds of 'special editions' are normally put out as an exercise in style over content, that's all. And tend to be bought by that target market.
...you wouldn't happen to be an owner would you? ;-)
JJ
Re-read your own post. You claim that 'sloan poseurs' will load up every possible extra cancelling out the weight loss... funny that, seeing as there are no extras that you can spec to the car, it is a set specification and you cannot add or delete any thing, bar the standard Aircon for the commited track day enthusiast.. It comes as is, totally standard. You bang on about 'proper sports cars' only having 2 seats... well there is a good history of really decent cars having their standard rear seats deleted. So my comment to you is based on the fact that your rush to post a comment showing your 'witty intellect' has actually shown you as short sighted, blinkerd, typical Piston heads gob-s****. :-)
No, i dont own or have on order a Cooper S GP. However, having driven plenty of Cooper S's, with up to 260bhp, on the track, I've seen many puzzeled Lotus, Ferrari, TVR and Porsche owners wonder how the feck they've just been embaressed by a 'poseur sloan mobile'.
5 stars on all reviews of the GP so far. I know whoose opinion I prefer to listen to, rather that the same old bitter doctrine spat out by the majority of Piston Heads regulars.
Rant over, have a nice weekend.
10 Pence Short said:
Out 'funned' in Evo by an Integra who's basic design stretches back about 15 years, though.
That was my ITR in that test, and while out on test with the EVO boys I was allowed to drive the press cars, including the GP MINI. And whilst I've always been one that wanted to dislike MINIs for what they are I have to say I really enjoyed driving the GP, it reminded me of the old school hatches, rorty noise, eager to rev, nimble, slightly twitchy at the back and generally damn good fun to throw down a road. I suggest the naysayers try it before criticising it too heavily. It was more fun than the Golf and Andy Morgans ASBO for instance, despite being marginally slower in places.
Granted, I'd sooner have my Integra but thats not what the GP is aimed at...
In the interests of fairness, I've had MINIs as courtesy cars (including the basic one) and despite being a bit didgyly built and rediculously short on space for their weight, they were very good fun to punt about in, certainly more than the CTR I had at the time.
Having run an immaculate DC2 for 18 months though, I'd have to say it's a different natured beast to the MINIs, and perhaps it's just my taste that prefers it that way?
Having run an immaculate DC2 for 18 months though, I'd have to say it's a different natured beast to the MINIs, and perhaps it's just my taste that prefers it that way?
loach said:
As the only person on PH that seems to have a GP (or the nerve to 'fess up) please allow me the indulgence of another post on the subject of my little acquisition.
No you're not alone, I am due to take delivery of one next week.
People are quick to slag of these cars but it out of pure ignorance. Whilst the looks may not be to everyone’s liking, until you have seen this car in the flesh you cannot appreciate its shear road presence. I've also read a few comments dismissing its performance, but my last car was a Works S and it was no slouch. But where these cars really shine is in the handling. I will admit that Mini's are pricey but at the end of the day they're baby BM's and when time comes to sell you get a fair chunk back. Running costs are also very low, for £150 you get vouchers that cover your servicing for 5 years. I have looked at buying other makes of cars in the past but nothing comes close to providing the ownership experience of a Mini. Until you've experienced it for yourself, you're in no position to comment.
As for the GP, whilst I've yet to drive the car myself, it has been getting rave reviews, most notably from EVO: 5 Stars.
Bring it on!!!
Edited by dude007 on Monday 7th August 02:36
Edited by dude007 on Monday 7th August 02:37
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It is the best one so far but for the money they cost you could buy a proper performance car instead of a marketeer's idea of one. Or at least something with the power going through the right wheels. All of those MINIs are bought by fasionistas with no idea of style. I'd be embarrased to own one.
You tell me for the money another car you can get that is Supercharged? Image has nothing to do with it for me, it is the sound of the whine coming from the engine. It is the pin sharp steering and fantastic handling.
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*i bet you've vtec'd it haven't you/that elise isn't yours?!
it's just so bl00dy boring!
Edited by baSkey on Monday 7th August 09:13
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It's seldom a good idea for a car enthusiast to hold prejudices on the basis of how a car looks or who drives one. How reasonable would it be to blanket-dismiss Porsches as overrated crap driven by arrogant tossers; or Japanese cars as lifeless and bland rubbish; Ferraris as overpriced and unreliable footballers' conveyances; Lotuses ([alanpartridge]Loti[/alanpartridge]) as sports cars for those that can't afford real ones; Mercedes as corpulent fatty-boy cars with shoddy build-quality; BMWs as over-designed and over-appreciated German crap etc etc.
Try to keep an open mind. Get yourself a decent drive in a Cooper S or Cooper S works, and then come back to tell me/us what a load of auld shite it is.
tony*t3 said:
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Yes it was. When my father was a young man. Now its no more than history, and in current terms, those still driving them on the roads have little hope of surviving even a mild shunt from a daewoo matiz....
I'd get yourself to a local hillclimb and laugh! I had the privilage of watching every classic mini beat every 33 odd of the JCW series up Wiscombe hillclimb. Ok, they're standard but the same happens at Tregrehan Hillclimb, there are a couple of guys there with crazy Binis and they are still slower than the real thing. I've driven many a front wheel drive car with a too-big engine and the Bini is good, but it's just transport, which is what 99.9% of the people buy them for. Add a loud 'zorst and a set of big alloys and it's kool as, people don't try and get them on 3 wheels around corners, they want the cred of the badge coupled with something mildly spirited and they get it. It does what it says on the tin brilliantly, the old one has something different on the tin.
When I see a heavily modified BMW mini beat a real mini in either a hillclimb or sprint, or drag race, I will revise my opinion. The BMW is better transport though. Without a doubt, but then again transport isn't the spirit of motoring.
loach said:
It's seldom a good idea for a car enthusiast to hold prejudices on the basis of how a car looks or who drives one. How reasonable would it be to blanket-dismiss Porsches as overrated crap driven by arrogant tossers; or Japanese cars as lifeless and bland rubbish; Ferraris as overpriced and unreliable footballers' conveyances; Lotuses ([alanpartridge]Loti[/alanpartridge]) as sports cars for those that can't afford real ones; Mercedes as corpulent fatty-boy cars with shoddy build-quality; BMWs as over-designed and over-appreciated German crap etc etc.
exactly.
one could say that that gtv whatshisface has bought a dogs dinner of a car, a car that was designed to be fwd but with the front of a laguna glued into the back, and as a result of a compromised 'chassis' is a slower car than one that costs half as much. BUT any car enthusiast should be able to see what is good about them.
dinkel said:
love machine said:
[. . . . but then again transport isn't the spirit of motoring.
And the Beemer Mini is made with that compromise in mind.
well exactly! i mean i probably wouldn't have one if i had room and resources for both an Elan and a decent diseasel hatch for 'the lady'. I think the people who make out that it's some sort of hardcore special are going down the wrong path. it's a very good compromise. mine at least appears to be very well built and isn't too uneconomical. and given the way things are going is probably fast enough for UK roads of the future.
and mine's got an lsd (albeit fairly loose)!
Edited by baSkey on Tuesday 8th August 08:43
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