Shown up by a 330d saloon
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knoxville said:
euroboy said:
Just been looking at the BMW USA corporate site, and it doesnt look like BMW sell any car in the USA with a diesel engine.
Same for Jaguar (2.7 TT unit I believe??)
So there you go, some performance diesels yanks cant get their hands on
0-60 in 6.5 seconds is not fast. What do they run the 1/4 mile in? Maybe 14.5 seconds? Shit slow.Same for Jaguar (2.7 TT unit I believe??)
So there you go, some performance diesels yanks cant get their hands on
jesus dude, they are quick cars, not bloody race cars! calm down!
off_again said:
In the US they dont have the potentially carcenogenic particulates but tool around in cars that struggle to get 20+MPG.
Who's right?
Who's right?
But they do have the actually carcinogenioc problem of petrol, consumed at an extraordinarly selfish rate.
Er, America wouldn't be an oil producer, would it?
knoxville said:
? No. And the only reason the R10 wins races is because the LMP1 rules are massively in favor of diesel engines. Run it against an equivalent car with a 5.5L bi-turbo petrol engine and see what happens.
There are no stock diesel productions cars with performance worth talking about.
There are no stock diesel productions cars with performance worth talking about.
The difference in the lmp1 rules isn't massive, and will change. There will be parity soon, and yes, we will see what will happen. BMW have won 2 euro 24 hour races with diesels, I believe with parity. Indeed, for some reason the rules were immediatley changed to stop them doing it again.
The BMW 330d is a terrific car. Didn't one Brit car mag dub it the 'best car in the real world'.
A mate of mine did a euro haul with his, and driving normally did 600 odd miles before he had to stop for fuel, running at normal autoroute speeds. You'll need a quick petrol to make up for that, and if you value your licence you simply won't make up for it.
if I want to drive for fun, of course I jump in one of my petrol cars, but if I want to get somewhere as quickly, efficiently and comfortably as poss, then its the 110 brake auto dag-dag. Its ridiculous how quickly I can make progress in that thing with only 110 brake, we're overtaking stuff all the time. If I went any quicker I'd be in risk of losing my licence and thus livelihood.
pentoman said:
More depressing stories:
A woman I work with (who does track days so is a decent driver) has a new Fabia vRS which she says is not chipped. She followed me out of work the other day onto a dual carriageway, and I floored it as the road opened up - she floored it too. Even though I was redlining it through every gear and making quick changes, I was shocked how well it kept with me. Only at the top of 3rd gear and going into 4th (0.9 speed units or so) and almost giving up, did I pull out any sort of gap between us.
I had a vRS skoda try to prevent me overtaking out of a two lane roundabout that 50 yards late merged to one lane when I had my old normally aspirated MR2, I still passed it. The bloke was really trying to prevent me getting past as glanced across at me laughing when I was level, I just dropped it a cog and continued past, they are not that quick at all. Even though he obviously thought it was.
I've been out in a 535d its was 9 months old when I went out in it last month so the "new" one. It was quick but still nothing to write home about, my mate had taken delivery 2 weeks previously so was booting it between roundabouts on the dual carriageway showing me how quick it was. True it was impressive -- for a diesel. It did gain speed well and effortlessly, was very quiet. I had the distinct impression most petrol cars i'd call fast would leave it easily enough however.
Edited by steve bowen on Wednesday 18th October 21:06
Das Chin drives an M3 CSL.
they seriously got it wrong with the 3.2 at audi.
my 3.2 puts out 360 glorious ponies and BM got it right.
there could be so much more in that audi engine and at the weight it is it don't stand a chance out there really.
slap a super charger on it or a blower!
they seriously got it wrong with the 3.2 at audi.
my 3.2 puts out 360 glorious ponies and BM got it right.
there could be so much more in that audi engine and at the weight it is it don't stand a chance out there really.
slap a super charger on it or a blower!
mackie1 said:
PS. What have you done to it to get those wheel horsepower readings? It must be pushing out well over 400bhp at the flywheel.
Simple, dyno'd it the US the figures are always noticeably higher. There's an american on the uk MR2 forum and he admits cars with identical spec, running identical boost, seem to make 10% more power in the US, yet also run virtually identical 1/4 mile times when running on road tyres (most US 1/4 cars will run radials)
p.s. Just googled the TT 3.2 dsg specs and its not impressive reading, I can imaging the BMW being as quick.
If googles to be believed the TT 3.2 DSg gives 247bhp & weights 1520KG so only 163bhp per ton.
Edited by steve bowen on Wednesday 18th October 21:29
steve bowen said:
mackie1 said:
PS. What have you done to it to get those wheel horsepower readings? It must be pushing out well over 400bhp at the flywheel.
Simple, dyno'd it the US the figures are always noticeably higher. There's an american on the uk MR2 forum and he admits cars with identical spec, running identical boost, seem to make 10% more power in the US, yet also run virtually identical 1/4 mile times when running on road tyres (most US 1/4 cars will run radials)
p.s. Just googled the TT 3.2 dsg specs and its not impressive reading, I can imaging the BMW being as quick.
If googles to be believed the TT 3.2 DSg gives 247bhp & weights 1520KG so only 163bhp per ton.
Edited by steve bowen on Wednesday 18th October 21:29
163 per tonne OMGIm happy with my tractor fuel vectra and tuning box plus K&N , trots on quite nicely , diesels are about midrange power , thevec does shove you in the seat when you floor it in 3rd and 4th , overtaking is piss easy , petrol engines are all revs whereas diesels have all those little torques to shove you forwards .
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