RE: YouTube biker faces court

[anonymous-user]

I wouldn't put it past MCN to have edited that video slightly but on the evidence of what I've just watched, apart from being a little impatient to start one or two overtakes, I see absolutely no problem with his riding at all. Strangely enough, it seems that no children were killed during the making of that video.

So why exactly is this guy being derided and called an idiot? How many of you would have thought the police actually had time to track you down based on an initial shot of your house door and family car?

That said, how many of you who have previously submitted videos to websites are now re-watching them with a view to pulling them off? I can see the content of pistonheads.tv dropping over the next few days.

[Stigmundfreud]

y2blade said:

Stigmundfreud said:

y2blade said:

im amazed he was ONLY doing 100mph on a R1.....what a pussy


"A camera mounted behind the windshield of his 180mph Yamaha R1 shows him pulling wheelies" have you tried riding any litre class sports bike and NOT doing a wheelie

hello!

sold it btw, some bastard got a right bargain

good to here you sold it no problems knew you would it was a good bike wasnt it

indeed, and it went for.... 2800 which was what my bro inlaws shop would give me for taking it off my hands - much better than spending another 400 on insurance so in real terms 3200 in my balance.

I had to get rid tho pdq as a film I put on youtube of me hoisting it up through to 3rd gear and then blasting past the local conent college has landed me in trouble...............
















.........csa are after my blood

[Sporting Bear]

(See Dr S posting above)

Yeap your right, frequently not constantly

The differences in speed on a country roads mean bike is behind you, at the side of you and some times cutting in front of you in a matter of seconds, you don't check your mirrors every few seconds - you're too busy watching your speedo

I want any and everything that wants to overtake me to overtake me as quicly and safly as possible, no matter what vehicle I'm in even if it's the fastest vehicle in the world i.e. a white van

Why, and I've had it happen several times, big powerful bikes have to overtake and cut back in so close on an otherwise empty open road is beyond me (just perhaps they're showing off?)

I don't particularly like 4x4 by the way

Edited by Sporting Bear on Monday 19th February 10:24

[Solos]

Re Video evidence.
How about the relatively recent case when a Police Officer who filmed himself driving at excess speed and was eventually prosecuted using the film as part of the evidence.
And why do people think cctv can't be used in evidence, it has, and will continue to be used as long as RIPA is not breached.
Re the NIP - "Failure to comply is no bar where the police could not with reasonable diligence have ascertained the name and address of the accused in time for service of the summons or notice within the 14 day period, or the accused contributed to such failure."
e.g. the police did not know an offence had been committed or who the offender was until they discovered the video, therefore they might not have been able to issue an NIP.

Finally;
1 Someone using a vehicle mounted video is involved in a collision which is not their fault.
Should they be able to use it to prove their innocence?
2 What is the opinion of the use of video evidence if another person was killed due to the actions of someones riding or driving. Should the police be allowed to use the film as evidence, or is this a one way arguement.

Edited by Solos on Monday 19th February 11:02

[Checkitoot]

ripa = public agencies, its different for people at home

depending on the view of the camera you would need to obscure it from seeing into your neighbours property so that they can maintain privacy and you potentially fall under data protection too. There is no difference between me using CCTV and your local ASDA etc

[Parrot of Doom]

Load of fuss over not much IMO. The dodgy bits were when he overtook the cars on a crossroads (although the crossroads were clear its never a good thing to do), and overtook another car with oncoming traffic.

Certainly not worth all the attention its getting.

[deeps]

Parrot of Doom said:

Load of fuss over not much IMO. The dodgy bits were when he overtook the cars on a crossroads (although the crossroads were clear its never a good thing to do), and overtook another car with oncoming traffic.

Certainly not worth all the attention its getting.

The crossroads was re-engineered years ago. It's now a simple T junction to the bikers right, there is no junction to the left. That's the only junction on the entire length of road.

[Tony427]

Can't see how the police can win this one, there's two many questions that need answering.

Who was riding the bike, perhaps a mate borrowed the bike as the garage was left unopened ?

Has the bike's speedo been calibrated. Has the camera been calibrated? Do the police have the correct video camera or did he give that camera to a mate in a pub after using it ? Was the video edited, perhaps someone superimposed a speedo, speeded up, slowed down the film, added more revs to the sountrack, removed the screams of innocent children being mown down etc, etc?

One thing is certain the biker is now a marked man and should hang up his leathers or do his riding far away from home.

Cheers,

Tony

[pedmeister]

As Forest Gump said:-

"STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES."

What a complete chopper-he deserves everything he gets when he appears before the mags. Some people always have to take things too far and learn the hard way. Two bikers were killed in Kirkby, Liverpool, last summer whilst 'showboating.' They were racing up & down an industrial estate pulling wheelies in opposite directions to each other. They collided-ENDEX. One was in his late 30's, the other in his early 40's. At least one of them had a young family. Both of them should have known better.

The character due for a court appearance should have known better too.He too put others in danger by virtue of his ridiculous antics. ZERO sympathy, he behaved like a tosser, hope the Mags take his licence off him for at least 12 mths.

Ped

[yellowvette]

I live near the road in question and know it well. It can easily support illegal speeds in the right circumstances IMHO (not speaking from experience here of course ). Haven't seen the video so can't comment on this individuals riding. Can't say he was the sharpest tool in the box for videoing himself though - especially anything that ID's him. But I'm not surprised that the plod are doing him - they seem to be an utter waste of time nowadays. I was brought up to have a healthy respect for the Police when I was young, but now I have no respect for them whatsoever.

Edited by yellowvette on Monday 19th February 17:58

[negative creep]

Dr S said:

You probably slept through driving classes, did you? One of the rules they taught was to be frequently checking your rear mirrors so you know what is happening around your car. Well, it doesn't matter when you've got the biggest/heaviest car on the road, I guess...

How can you be expected to spot a 100mph bike in a 30mph limit?

[V6GTO]

hey, all you experts on sterotypes...I've got a 4X4, an R1, a Renault Scenic and a Noble...which sterotype do I come under?

Martin.

[grayme]

FourWheelDrift said:

If you can't supply home CCTV as evidence to burglaries and vandalism, how can this be any different?

Doesn't it depend on who is doing the filming?

You break into my home and I record the CCTV but I have not warned you with notices (though I have no idea why it should make a difference; some numpy straps a camcorder to his own motorbike...

[pedmeister]

yellowvette said:

I live near the road in question and know it well. It can easily support illegal speeds in the right circumstances IMHO (not speaking from experience here of course ). Haven't seen the video so can't comment on this individuals riding. Can't say he was the sharpest tool in the box for videoing himself though - especially anything that ID's him. But I'm not surprised that the plod are doing him - they seem to be an utter waste of time nowadays. I was brought up to have a healthy respect for the Police when I was young, but now I have no respect for them whatsoever.

Edited by yellowvette on Monday 19th February 17:58

Yellow,

Any particular reason why you 'have no respect for them whatsoever?' Anti-authoritarian by nature, or have you just broken the law a few times and not been happy about being challenged about your own behaviour? Why the attitude?

Ped

[deeps]

negative creep said:

Dr S said:

You probably slept through driving classes, did you? One of the rules they taught was to be frequently checking your rear mirrors so you know what is happening around your car. Well, it doesn't matter when you've got the biggest/heaviest car on the road, I guess...

How can you be expected to spot a 100mph bike in a 30mph limit?

A competent driver will know what's behind and approaching or receding at all times. This rules out alot of drivers though I agree!

To spoil the story with a fact, the road in question is NSL and there are no schools!!

[Scrooloose]

What a completely innocuous piece of riding. At no point is the rider putting either himself or anyone else in danger.

As for wheelies. I'd be surprised if the front wheel got more than about six inches off the ground!

There are a lot of people posting on this thread who have obviously never ridden a motorbike, let alone a sportsbike. These guys bleat on about how dangerously someone is riding, without really knowing what it's like to be on a bike. You don't need gaps the size of Alaska in order to perform an overtake! As for doing 100mph - you can get from 60 to 100 and back to 60 in a very short space of time, again, in perfect safety!

Get over it!

[yellowvette]

pedmeister said:

Yellow,

Any particular reason why you 'have no respect for them whatsoever?' Anti-authoritarian by nature, or have you just broken the law a few times and not been happy about being challenged about your own behaviour? Why the attitude?

Ped

Ped,
I have no record and can hold my hand up and say I've never committed a crime beyond the occasional motoring offence. Again, no problem with how I've been treated then either. I'm lucky enough to say I can count the number of times I've been stopped in my 23 years on the road on one hand. I have had a ban for speeding in 1993 - was treated fine and it was a fair cop, and I have 3 points given after not seeing a camera in time. I'm also not anti-authoritarian in any way. My feelings stem from the fact that I know they will throw resources at something like a bike meet to look for minor offences for example, but appear to have little interest in the offences that really impact people - I have personal experience of this. Stories of not attending incidents in good time. Adding dangerous driving to someone who was speeding on an empty road - albeit excessively. Whatever the reality may be, the impression is of a culture whereby the easy nick is the best option. Come on, you know the public in general have a much lower opinion of the Police nowadays than a few years ago. Not just down to the Police admittedly, no doubt the media have a hand in it, and of course policy that the Police have to follow. I just no longer feel that I can rely on the Police if I were unlucky enough to need them, or that they would deal with me fairly if they were to stop me for something. Those I have dealt with - good people, not so for many other people I know though. Of course there will be good cops and bad cops, I fully appreciate that. Have to say that on some of the reality cop programs they haven't inspired confidence either - I saw one that was local to me whereby a BiB had pulled a biker for no headlight. He had an MoT that covered daytime use only and was totally legit. The BiB hadn't heard of such a thing, so called for another BiB to verify. By the time they'd confirmed it does exist it was dark, so the biker had to get a mate with a van to pick him and his bike up. Little things like this just chip away at their image I'm afraid.

Edited by yellowvette on Tuesday 20th February 01:00

[negative creep]

Scrooloose said:

What a completely innocuous piece of riding. At no point is the rider putting either himself or anyone else in danger.

As for wheelies. I'd be surprised if the front wheel got more than about six inches off the ground!

There are a lot of people posting on this thread who have obviously never ridden a motorbike, let alone a sportsbike. These guys bleat on about how dangerously someone is riding, without really knowing what it's like to be on a bike. You don't need gaps the size of Alaska in order to perform an overtake! As for doing 100mph - you can get from 60 to 100 and back to 60 in a very short space of time, again, in perfect safety!

Get over it!

No offense, but that comes across as the words of someone who rides like a complete muppet, then blames the car drivers when something goes wrong. Yes you should be aware of what is around you, but a bike is very hard to see. You can't spend all your time looking in the mirrors, you can only afford a split second glance. If some idiot is doing 100mph, then he will be almost impossible to see if you are doing 30mph. One second the road is clear, the next the bike will be level with you. I'm not quite sure how it can be 'perfectly safe' to be doing 40mph faster than other traffic on a single carriageway either. Couyld I use the same excuse if my car has good brakes?

Yes you should be aware of other road users. But you cannot be expected to be aware of someone driving or riding like a complete cock

[pedmeister]

yellowvette said:

pedmeister said:

Yellow,

Any particular reason why you 'have no respect for them whatsoever?' Anti-authoritarian by nature, or have you just broken the law a few times and not been happy about being challenged about your own behaviour? Why the attitude?

Ped

Ped,
I have no record and can hold my hand up and say I've never committed a crime beyond the occasional motoring offence. Again, no problem with how I've been treated then either. I'm lucky enough to say I can count the number of times I've been stopped in my 23 years on the road on one hand. I have had a ban for speeding in 1993 - was treated fine and it was a fair cop, and I have 3 points given after not seeing a camera in time. I'm also not anti-authoritarian in any way. My feelings stem from the fact that I know they will throw resources at something like a bike meet to look for minor offences for example, but appear to have little interest in the offences that really impact people - I have personal experience of this. Stories of not attending incidents in good time. Adding dangerous driving to someone who was speeding on an empty road - albeit excessively. Whatever the reality may be, the impression is of a culture whereby the easy nick is the best option. Come on, you know the public in general have a much lower opinion of the Police nowadays than a few years ago. Not just down to the Police admittedly, no doubt the media have a hand in it, and of course policy that the Police have to follow. I just no longer feel that I can rely on the Police if I were unlucky enough to need them, or that they would deal with me fairly if they were to stop me for something. Those I have dealt with - good people, not so for many other people I know though. Of course there will be good cops and bad cops, I fully appreciate that. Have to say that on some of the reality cop programs they haven't inspired confidence either - I saw one that was local to me whereby a BiB had pulled a biker for no headlight. He had an MoT that covered daytime use only and was totally legit. The BiB hadn't heard of such a thing, so called for another BiB to verify. By the time they'd confirmed it does exist it was dark, so the biker had to get a mate with a van to pick him and his bike up. Little things like this just chip away at their image I'm afraid.

Edited by yellowvette on Tuesday 20th February 01:00

Umm, at the end of the day, it sounds as though you have been dealt with fairly in the past. As regards other people's experiences-one must always be cautious when listening to only one side of the story! Oddly enough, most people who get caught by the Police, whether it be burgling a house, UTMV, or contravening a red T-light signal, aren't 'very happy' with the Police! You can please some of the people some of the time, but when it comes to Policing, my ten years of service have taught me this-you can rarely please anybody!

The public today expect perfection, it's all part & parcel of the instant gratification culture that pervades society these days. Combine that with the general lack of respect for authority that exists in this country and it's no wonder so many bitch & moan about the Police. The attitude seems to be this:-" When I got burgled, the Police didn't catch anybody-all Police are useless!!" People in this country need to get their head out of their backsides. There is no such thing as perfection, in any walk of life. EVERYTHING these days is determined by budgets & finite resources. If the population in the area I Police, knew how few of us are on duty at any one time, they would be:1) Outraged/shocked/fearful.
2) Very disconcerted as tax payers
3) Much more appreciative of the actual efforts officers make to provide a service(of some description)

It's pointless attacking the Police, it's the government who are the problem. They control budgets & ultimately determine the resources. People need to think long & hard about who they vote for if they want to see the Police better resourced.

Me? I'm looking to jack it in. After ten years, I'm sick & tired of dealing with ignorant, arrogant, disrespectful MOP. Ultimately, the MOP in the UK will get the Police force(oops! sorry-I mean SERVICE! Force is FAR too military sounding, and we can't have that can we?!) they deserve. IE A cynical, disillusioned, disinterested body of officers. In my opinion, we are well on our way. Being in the public services in any capacity these days is a mugs game. A large number of the public have a dreadful attitude. I have a sister who is Consultant anaesthetist-she is quitting the NHS. I have friends who are teachers, several are quitting & going self-employed. They cannot tolerate the arrogance/ignorance & obnoxious behaviour of pupils,(never mind the parents!) nor the mindless paperwork associated with the job. The chronic shortage of teachers is a measure as to how awful British society is. This country is a SHITHOLE and too many people delude themselves otherwise.

There is an appalling lack of discipline in British society-just observe the huge number of motorists who insist an driving past the Police whilst using their mobile phones. EVERYONE knows it is an offence, EVERYONE appreciates how potentially dangerous it is-but what the hell, let's make our OWN rules up to suit ourselves. It is to the detriment of society as a whole, when the individual believes HE is in position to decide/judge what rules/laws he/she chooses to obey. Most people exist in their own little bubble, oblivious in many ways to just how bad things are in this country. When one see's the big picture on a daily basis it is rather depressing to say the least.

No wonder Britain came bottom of the table of countries to bring children up in. We are going through the Fall Of Rome in this country-decadence, disrespect, selfishness, obsession with instant gratification & consuming etc etc. My plan is to acquire a trade that I can take elsewhere and abandon the sinking ship that is the UK.

Last one out, turn the lights off.......

Ped

[yellowvette]

pedmeister said:

lots of good stuff

Ped, you and I aren't actually so different here. Perhaps I should make myself clearer : I have no respect for the institution that is the Police Service. When I deal with a BiB I do so with politeness and respect - providing I get the same in return. I have met some top people amongst serving BiB, and some utter pks too - as in most walks of life. You have hit the nail on the head by saying that society as a whole is rapidly going downhill here in UK. I agree entirely. I also have no doubt that the Police have got so pressured for statistics and the need for political correctness, that they are unable to do what the public want. The fact still remains that it's hard to have respect for a Service that is seen to be incapable. Whether their impotence is because of the Government (as I suspect), or due to their own failings, the perception is still the same.
Sorry for the hijack guys !