RE: YouTube biker faces court
Discussion
FourWheelDrift said:
If you can't supply home CCTV as evidence to burglaries and vandalism, how can this be any different?
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Friday 16th February 13:25
The police used my home cctv to identify a burglar last year .. It was admitted to court as well. They even took it from a ftp site ... not even from the server itself
pedmeister said:
The character due for a court appearance should have known better too.He too put others in danger by virtue of his ridiculous antics. ZERO sympathy, he behaved like a tosser, hope the Mags take his licence off him for at least 12 mths.
Ped, I assume from this comment that you've watched the video linked? As a serving officer, could you point out to me what you see as being the ridiculous antics? Not having a dig, I'm genuinely interested in understanding your standpoint on the competency of riding. Ok
So I just watched the Video.
WHAT THE HELL IS THE FUSS OVER?
The hached area had dotted line so he never broke that law.
It strikes me that the BiBs are over reacting a bit here.
Why the hell was he swabbed for DNA?
At least the Police are not wasting resources on spurious things like catching theives or muggers or ASBO weilding Chavs in Burnham sea front.
IMHO if plod had cought him red handed as it were a bollocking should have been forthcoming and possibly nipped for speeding butthis seems totally out of ballance with the crime.
So I just watched the Video.
WHAT THE HELL IS THE FUSS OVER?
The hached area had dotted line so he never broke that law.
It strikes me that the BiBs are over reacting a bit here.
Why the hell was he swabbed for DNA?
At least the Police are not wasting resources on spurious things like catching theives or muggers or ASBO weilding Chavs in Burnham sea front.
IMHO if plod had cought him red handed as it were a bollocking should have been forthcoming and possibly nipped for speeding butthis seems totally out of ballance with the crime.
Quinny said:
pedmeister said:
It's pointless attacking the Police, it's the government who are the problem. They control budgets & ultimately determine the resources. People need to think long & hard about who they vote for if they want to see the Police better resourced.
Me? I'm looking to jack it in. After ten years, I'm sick & tired of dealing with ignorant, arrogant, disrespectful MOP.
Me? I'm looking to jack it in. After ten years, I'm sick & tired of dealing with ignorant, arrogant, disrespectful MOP.
Interesting post
And totally depressing, there goes another experienced BIB, fed up because he's not allowed to do the job he's trained in
After reading "A Coppers Blog" this dosen't suprise me at all.
I'm 100% behind PC Copperfield, when he says there are plenty of Police, and there's plenty of money for the Police service
How frustrating must it be for a normal bobby on the beat, having to fill out every form in triplicate, do a risk assessment before he can chase a bad guy and be politically correct in everything he does
We all like to have a dig at the police when we can, but lets be honest, its easy. And whilst they're being managed by morons, it'll continue to be easy.
I blame senior officers, and the goverment
But your comment about the NHS and schools are along the same lines.
Schools need an authoritarian headmaster, that everyone is shit scared of
Hospitals need Matrons, that everyone is shit scared of
And the police needs a chief constable that cares more about the job than his politcal carear
Vote for Quinny, I'll bloody sort it
odyssey2200 said:
Ok
So I just watched the Video.
WHAT THE HELL IS THE FUSS OVER?
The hached area had dotted line so he never broke that law.
It strikes me that the BiBs are over reacting a bit here.
Why the hell was he swabbed for DNA?
At least the Police are not wasting resources on spurious things like catching theives or muggers or ASBO weilding Chavs in Burnham sea front.
IMHO if plod had cought him red handed as it were a bollocking should have been forthcoming and possibly nipped for speeding butthis seems totally out of ballance with the crime.
So I just watched the Video.
WHAT THE HELL IS THE FUSS OVER?
The hached area had dotted line so he never broke that law.
It strikes me that the BiBs are over reacting a bit here.
Why the hell was he swabbed for DNA?
At least the Police are not wasting resources on spurious things like catching theives or muggers or ASBO weilding Chavs in Burnham sea front.
IMHO if plod had cought him red handed as it were a bollocking should have been forthcoming and possibly nipped for speeding butthis seems totally out of ballance with the crime.
Odyssey,
Don't forget-it isn't the Police who bring charges to bear these days, it's the CPS who make that decision. The Police acquire/collate evidence & present it to CPS-they review it & decide if a particular charge is to be brought. In this instance, the CPS obviously considered there were offences present-hence the action taken against our rubber pant wearing friend!
Also-it is actually very difficult to catch thieves & muggers-oddly enough they don't tend to raise their heads above the parapet when a Police patrol is in proximity. It's so easy to say what the Police should, or should not be doing. Most MOP have absolutely no idea about the job, or how difficult it is at times to target problems such as burglary-there is no easy way to tackle such problems. The problem is, EVERYBODY has watched at least one episode of 'The Bill,' many people assume they have a comprehensive knowledge about Policing, hence they are opinionated. If I had a pound coin everytime some buck has said to me, "YOU CAN'T COME IN HERE WITHOUT A WARRANT!"- WRONG!! I'd be retired and living a life of luxury! Many people base their 'knowledge' of Policing on TV programmes-which hardly scratch the surface of real Police work. The aforementioned example concerning many people's concept that the Police need a warrant to enter & search an address is a classic case of misunderstanding-we DO NOT. Under PACE S18 Police may enter a premise with the authority of a duty Inspector & conduct a thorough search therein. Police can also enter prems depending on the prevailing circumstances under S17 & S32 of PACE. Most MOP do not have an igloo about Police powers-however, many think they 'know all about Policing.' You can always spot these 'experts,' they are the ones polishing a bar stool with their backsides, whilst blowing the froth off their beer.
I've watched the odd DIY programme on TV, it hasn't given me an in depth knowledge of plumbing, ergo, I'm not going to 'stand on my soapbox,' and lecture plumbers about how they do their job. I only wish other people would accept this logic & not rant on about things they actually have a minute understanding of IE Police work! Dave down the pub, really doesn't have a clue about Policing when all is said & done.
Anyway, I've put my 'coin in the slot,' so I will exit stage left.....
Ped
Thanks Ped
My point was that I think the fuss and action in relation to this case are out of ballance with the evidence the video presents.
If a Trafpol had seen the guy speeding a NIP would probably insued, however hysteria over the 180mph R1 has served to blow this all out of proportion.
And if the case is prosecuted bt CPS evidence must have been collated by the police and presented for consideration.
Is browsing Youtube now considered valid police work?
Where have all the PCs gone from our streets?
My point was that I think the fuss and action in relation to this case are out of ballance with the evidence the video presents.
If a Trafpol had seen the guy speeding a NIP would probably insued, however hysteria over the 180mph R1 has served to blow this all out of proportion.
And if the case is prosecuted bt CPS evidence must have been collated by the police and presented for consideration.
Is browsing Youtube now considered valid police work?
Where have all the PCs gone from our streets?
odyssey2200 said:
Thanks Ped
My point was that I think the fuss and action in relation to this case are out of ballance with the evidence the video presents.
If a Trafpol had seen the guy speeding a NIP would probably insued, however hysteria over the 180mph R1 has served to blow this all out of proportion.
And if the case is prosecuted bt CPS evidence must have been collated by the police and presented for consideration.
Is browsing Youtube now considered valid police work?
Where have all the PCs gone from our streets?
Where have all the PC's gone? I can tell mate, they are all tied up with a vast amount of bureaucracy. For example-When I joined ten years ago an arrest could be dealt with in 2-3 hours. Arrest 'villain,' convey to custody, relate circs of arrest to custody Sgt. Lodge prisoner in cell. Go and obtain one or more MG11 statements(if not already in existance). Interview villain-conclude i/v. Consult with custody Sgt & discuss strengths & weaknesses of evidence & comments made by vilain in interview. Decision made to either charge/refuse/Bail 47/3/caution. Putting the paper arrest file together took me about 90 mins tops generally.
Today post interview, we have to liaise with a an ERO(Evidence Review) Sgt-this takes at least 40 mins. If the evidence passes the 'threashold' the OIC then has to consult with a CPS solicitor. They only have one per station & they work 9-5 mon-fri. You might have to queue for an hour or more to speak to the CPS person. Prior to doing so, you have to WP an MG3 CPS Advice Request Report-this emcompasses the circs of the complaint, the available evidence and so on. An MG3 takes me at least 40 mins to produce one of good quality. If the CPS brief is available, the OIC will spend up to 40 mins in consultation with the brief.
However, the real nightmere occurs out of CPS hours-the OIC has to ring a number which puts him through to an advisor working from home. The OIC then relates all the circs & relevant points to the brief. The OIC then FAXES ALL statements, MG3 and PNC printout. The brief will spend up to an hour ploughing through the paperwork.
As you can see, this takes a ridiculous amount of time and is VERY frustrating for Police, especially if you arrest 8 hrs into a 10 hr shift-add at least 5-6 hrs on to the shift. This is particularly galling if you are due to finish at 0200 hrs-you can be going home at 0700 hrs when morning duty parade! In a word the system is SHIT!!
We have a computer system called NICHE-we create all our arrest & summons files on it. It is awful, non-intuitive & laborious-it cost my force millions of pounds & it is garbage. We call it NICHEMERE.......
The Police have been turned in chairbourne forces.....
Ped
My point was that I think the fuss and action in relation to this case are out of ballance with the evidence the video presents.
If a Trafpol had seen the guy speeding a NIP would probably insued, however hysteria over the 180mph R1 has served to blow this all out of proportion.
And if the case is prosecuted bt CPS evidence must have been collated by the police and presented for consideration.
Is browsing Youtube now considered valid police work?
Where have all the PCs gone from our streets?
Where have all the PC's gone? I can tell mate, they are all tied up with a vast amount of bureaucracy. For example-When I joined ten years ago an arrest could be dealt with in 2-3 hours. Arrest 'villain,' convey to custody, relate circs of arrest to custody Sgt. Lodge prisoner in cell. Go and obtain one or more MG11 statements(if not already in existance). Interview villain-conclude i/v. Consult with custody Sgt & discuss strengths & weaknesses of evidence & comments made by vilain in interview. Decision made to either charge/refuse/Bail 47/3/caution. Putting the paper arrest file together took me about 90 mins tops generally.
Today post interview, we have to liaise with a an ERO(Evidence Review) Sgt-this takes at least 40 mins. If the evidence passes the 'threashold' the OIC then has to consult with a CPS solicitor. They only have one per station & they work 9-5 mon-fri. You might have to queue for an hour or more to speak to the CPS person. Prior to doing so, you have to WP an MG3 CPS Advice Request Report-this emcompasses the circs of the complaint, the available evidence and so on. An MG3 takes me at least 40 mins to produce one of good quality. If the CPS brief is available, the OIC will spend up to 40 mins in consultation with the brief.
However, the real nightmere occurs out of CPS hours-the OIC has to ring a number which puts him through to an advisor working from home. The OIC then relates all the circs & relevant points to the brief. The OIC then FAXES ALL statements, MG3 and PNC printout. The brief will spend up to an hour ploughing through the paperwork.
As you can see, this takes a ridiculous amount of time and is VERY frustrating for Police, especially if you arrest 8 hrs into a 10 hr shift-add at least 5-6 hrs on to the shift. This is particularly galling if you are due to finish at 0200 hrs-you can be going home at 0700 hrs when morning duty parade! In a word the system is SHIT!!
We have a computer system called NICHE-we create all our arrest & summons files on it. It is awful, non-intuitive & laborious-it cost my force millions of pounds & it is garbage. We call it NICHEMERE.......
The Police have been turned in chairbourne forces.....
Ped
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