RE: Connaught on the move
Discussion
Looks aside (and why is the PH brethren so damn quick to criticise?), 1000 units a year by year 5 is ambitious.
However, I think they might be able to do it if they occupy the sub-M3, sub 997 price level, when it'll be an interesting alternative to Boxsters/Caymans and top flight 3-series BMWs.
However if they plan to sell this for £75k they may as well just spend the £12m on drugs and hookers; they'll have several years of fun before they're caught.
SS7
However, I think they might be able to do it if they occupy the sub-M3, sub 997 price level, when it'll be an interesting alternative to Boxsters/Caymans and top flight 3-series BMWs.
However if they plan to sell this for £75k they may as well just spend the £12m on drugs and hookers; they'll have several years of fun before they're caught.
SS7
BEauty is in the eye of the beholder - and I happen to like it a lot 
Sepnt time ont heir stand at goodwood, and I've been on the list ofr one ever since first announced. Not guven a deposit or anything yet as no news on the hybrid as yet.
I think you'll find theres a lot goign on behind the scenes there, so to scoff is a little harsh.
Having said that although the attention to detail is great and I love the bespoke engineering, the show car at goodwood looked good, but there were a few rough bits that needed tidying up.
I jsut fancy a hybrid with a V10 that I can drive in london with no CC, it'll carry 4 people and be find to drive. On top of that it's homegrown engineering talent from the UK doing this so it's a positive thing for UK plc too. I guess I just like British cars
Sepnt time ont heir stand at goodwood, and I've been on the list ofr one ever since first announced. Not guven a deposit or anything yet as no news on the hybrid as yet.
I think you'll find theres a lot goign on behind the scenes there, so to scoff is a little harsh.
Having said that although the attention to detail is great and I love the bespoke engineering, the show car at goodwood looked good, but there were a few rough bits that needed tidying up.
I jsut fancy a hybrid with a V10 that I can drive in london with no CC, it'll carry 4 people and be find to drive. On top of that it's homegrown engineering talent from the UK doing this so it's a positive thing for UK plc too. I guess I just like British cars
Good for UK PLC? What is? another monumental waste of cash on an engineer's wet dream. The car industry is a European industry based on commonality of parts, this Terry-Thomas-Stylee UK centric naval gazing is pathetic.
For £12M you could buy TVR, stick a Welsh made emissions friendly Volvo/Ford T6 in it, a few airbags, ESP and ABS and you have a range of really lovely cars.
For £12M you could buy TVR, stick a Welsh made emissions friendly Volvo/Ford T6 in it, a few airbags, ESP and ABS and you have a range of really lovely cars.
Wow ! 12 MIllION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How did they do this! WDA have not seriously done this surely!
Very impressive fund raising. Must read the books that these guys use aswell as Spyker. Spin city or reality this is a very impressive result for Caunaught.
HT
Edited by Honkytonk on Friday 30th March 15:00
bencollins said:
Good for UK PLC? What is? another monumental waste of cash on an engineer's wet dream. The car industry is a European industry based on commonality of parts, this Terry-Thomas-Stylee UK centric naval gazing is pathetic.
For £12M you could buy TVR, stick a Welsh made emissions friendly Volvo/Ford T6 in it, a few airbags, ESP and ABS and you have a range of really lovely cars.
For £12M you could buy TVR, stick a Welsh made emissions friendly Volvo/Ford T6 in it, a few airbags, ESP and ABS and you have a range of really lovely cars.
HAve to disagree. Of course some parts will be common - thats life in the auto industry. I see these guys with an opportunity to fill a niche - there are easily 1000 people a year who'd like a cc exempt hybrid, thats individual, still fast, holds four people and cashes up at under 50k on the road (this is the projected price for the hybrid apparrently).
Ok for similar money you can get a lexus hybrid saloon or 4x4 but every other sod will ahve one of those, they look boring and are no more fun to drive than most minibusses...
IF they can execute what they promise (and I agree thats a big if, always is as a car manufacturer) then I think they ahve a good future ahead.
honkytonk said:
Wow ! 12 MIllION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How did they do this! WDA have not seriously done this surely!
Very impressive fund raising. Must read the books that these guys use aswell as Spyker. Spin city or reality this is a very impressive result for Caunaught.
HT
Edited by Honkytonk on Friday 30th March 15:00
WDA would do an awful lot to secure "jobs", even though its unliekly many of these jobs will ever be created- the company only needs to say they will create some over 3 years, rather then ACTUAL jobs, so if a company says they will created 10,000 jobs the WDA can give them lots of money. And when they do pull out/go bankrput (what vehcile engineering/ manufacture is available in wales? Gilburn??) they will get a millitant workforce happy to appear on national TV moaning about losing their jobs whilst not being internationally competitive- think of Burberry.
Apparently they don't need stacks of battery cells. Got communicattion from them this week and they are doing some seemingly clever stuff.
I wonder if all this hybrid stuff isn't to get them snaffled in order to meet the EU rules on overall range emissions and nonsense. They would help balance someone's range of performance cars.
I wonder if all this hybrid stuff isn't to get them snaffled in order to meet the EU rules on overall range emissions and nonsense. They would help balance someone's range of performance cars.
WTF?
When I first heard of this I assumed the 2 litre V10 was some sort of pisstake or a mistake... surely the cylinders for this config will be too small for good efficiency - with loads of heat energy being lost to the cylinder surface area. Isn't there some engineering sweet-spot for petrol engines where the cylinder capacity (volume) is the 'right' size for the surface area of the combustion chamber?
I thought the sweet spot for 2 litre engines was basically 4 cylinders. So a V10 will be losing loads of efficiency through heat loss to the engine block.
It's a great USP and should sound lovely, but something that firstly sounds like an engineering mistake purely on petrol-engine terms - then multiplied up by turning it into a hybrid electric as well? Whoa.
I'd love to see it work and see it succeed, but it seems an odd choice of powertrain. What I *do* hope is that all investment is private and taxpayers aren't subsidizing this, because it does sound a little bit crazy to me, and I wouldn't be buying their shares.
When I first heard of this I assumed the 2 litre V10 was some sort of pisstake or a mistake... surely the cylinders for this config will be too small for good efficiency - with loads of heat energy being lost to the cylinder surface area. Isn't there some engineering sweet-spot for petrol engines where the cylinder capacity (volume) is the 'right' size for the surface area of the combustion chamber?
I thought the sweet spot for 2 litre engines was basically 4 cylinders. So a V10 will be losing loads of efficiency through heat loss to the engine block.
It's a great USP and should sound lovely, but something that firstly sounds like an engineering mistake purely on petrol-engine terms - then multiplied up by turning it into a hybrid electric as well? Whoa.
I'd love to see it work and see it succeed, but it seems an odd choice of powertrain. What I *do* hope is that all investment is private and taxpayers aren't subsidizing this, because it does sound a little bit crazy to me, and I wouldn't be buying their shares.
cyberface said:
WTF?
When I first heard of this I assumed the 2 litre V10 was some sort of pisstake or a mistake... surely the cylinders for this config will be too small for good efficiency - with loads of heat energy being lost to the cylinder surface area. Isn't there some engineering sweet-spot for petrol engines where the cylinder capacity (volume) is the 'right' size for the surface area of the combustion chamber?
I thought the sweet spot for 2 litre engines was basically 4 cylinders. So a V10 will be losing loads of efficiency through heat loss to the engine block.
It's a great USP and should sound lovely, but something that firstly sounds like an engineering mistake purely on petrol-engine terms - then multiplied up by turning it into a hybrid electric as well? Whoa.
I'd love to see it work and see it succeed, but it seems an odd choice of powertrain. What I *do* hope is that all investment is private and taxpayers aren't subsidizing this, because it does sound a little bit crazy to me, and I wouldn't be buying their shares.
When I first heard of this I assumed the 2 litre V10 was some sort of pisstake or a mistake... surely the cylinders for this config will be too small for good efficiency - with loads of heat energy being lost to the cylinder surface area. Isn't there some engineering sweet-spot for petrol engines where the cylinder capacity (volume) is the 'right' size for the surface area of the combustion chamber?
I thought the sweet spot for 2 litre engines was basically 4 cylinders. So a V10 will be losing loads of efficiency through heat loss to the engine block.
It's a great USP and should sound lovely, but something that firstly sounds like an engineering mistake purely on petrol-engine terms - then multiplied up by turning it into a hybrid electric as well? Whoa.
I'd love to see it work and see it succeed, but it seems an odd choice of powertrain. What I *do* hope is that all investment is private and taxpayers aren't subsidizing this, because it does sound a little bit crazy to me, and I wouldn't be buying their shares.
From an engineering view point this car is a disaster waiting to happen.
I think some of the extrovert criticisms of the appearance are a bit OTT. I'd probably call it different -if not challenging. As far as the apparent technical comments re multi-cylinder small engines go -have any of you heard of Honda's V5 990 cc MotoGP World (multiple)Championship winning bike? If Honda saw value in the multi route then why not a car maker? Admittedly there are various arguments about use in a car & torque etc. but if you look at specific output (approx 250/260 bhp or about 275/litre in that case) then there has to be some point to it. In fact you only have to do similar numbers using a good sports road bike engine to realise it can be very attractive. They also sound marvellous ( ever heard the BRM V16-incredible !)
p.s. I agree with Los Angeles post of 01:05.
In fact the whole concept reminds me of the uniquely "British-ness" of the Bristol Car Co. Wish I was in the sort of bracket to even consider either.
p.s. I agree with Los Angeles post of 01:05.
In fact the whole concept reminds me of the uniquely "British-ness" of the Bristol Car Co. Wish I was in the sort of bracket to even consider either. Edited by sprinter885 on Saturday 31st March 10:10
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