RE: Pantera rocks again?
Discussion
Vario-Rob said:
please lord may this thing if it happens have absolutely no bloody VAG DNA in it, whilst many of you like the Gallardo and all that son of Pantera absolutely must be based around a large slice of Ford and absolutely not Volkswagen in any of its multitudinous incarnations, truly that would be sacrilege.
Was the DeTomaso Guara 4.0 sacriligeous? That had a BMW V8 in it.
Twincam16 said:
Vario-Rob said:
please lord may this thing if it happens have absolutely no bloody VAG DNA in it, whilst many of you like the Gallardo and all that son of Pantera absolutely must be based around a large slice of Ford and absolutely not Volkswagen in any of its multitudinous incarnations, truly that would be sacrilege.
Was the DeTomaso Guara 4.0 sacriligeous? That had a BMW V8 in it.But lets first deal with some of the detail around this one, Guara production barely made it beyond 20 units in total with a smattering of Barchetta’s and Spyders to go with the Coupe and it was an absolute sales disaster that was one of the key issues that forced the one great company under.
The reason the factory shifted from BMW power to the Ford V8 again in the later Guara’s was unsurprisingly they never paid for them. Having spoken with other club members and indeed owners it wasn’t what people wanted either as a Dee Tee has, was and must be Ford powered.
The Guara had anybody ever have bought one in the UK would have cost about £100k and don’t get me wrong I love mine to bits but rest assured I wouldn’t give you that much for now so son of Pantera needs to be rely on a few key points as it must centre itself on the massive potential in the US and absolutely must not be yet another VAG rehash that my mum could drive and smells of a VW Lupo
This car must be true to its blood line and be Ford powered, it must appeal to the massive American market and appeal with its easy Ford derived tuning options that will surely follow it, for a 1000 bhp Ford Gt read 1000bhp Panthera. This car is going to be bought by the people (blokes) who bought the first one and indeed blokes of my age who wanted one as a kid. Put more succinctly, it must carry on where the Ford GT left off and do it for several thousand less
Ideally it should be styled by Tom Tjaarda but none the less I do quite like the look of the new creation but the lights do look like something from the Maserati Bora Group 4 race car
So there you go, it must not be like the Guara, it sure as hell mustn’t be yet more brand engineered tedium from Germany and the Yanks must want to buy one by the container full. Here’s hoping and hopefully overt the next few days I’ll get a bit of feed back on how realistic this thing might be.
A couple of thoughts:
Regarding ergonomics,anyone remember the original Magusta? The engine was set so low that the driver was always worried sick about ripping the oilpan off, and the windshield was swept back so far that you couldn't wear a baseball cap inside because the bill would hit the glass. And there wasn't room to stow it anywhere but the passenger's lap.
The Pantera had dreadful aerodynamics. It was one of those proverbial airplane wings with wheels.
But oh, yeah, they were fun to drive and the biggest chore now is to find one that hasn't been extensively modified, although some changes had to be made just to keep them on the street. Ah, good old Italian/American hybrid build quality...
Regarding ergonomics,anyone remember the original Magusta? The engine was set so low that the driver was always worried sick about ripping the oilpan off, and the windshield was swept back so far that you couldn't wear a baseball cap inside because the bill would hit the glass. And there wasn't room to stow it anywhere but the passenger's lap.
The Pantera had dreadful aerodynamics. It was one of those proverbial airplane wings with wheels.
But oh, yeah, they were fun to drive and the biggest chore now is to find one that hasn't been extensively modified, although some changes had to be made just to keep them on the street. Ah, good old Italian/American hybrid build quality...
jmatras said:
A couple of thoughts:
Regarding ergonomics,anyone remember the original Magusta? The engine was set so low that the driver was always worried sick about ripping the oilpan off, and the windshield was swept back so far that you couldn't wear a baseball cap inside because the bill would hit the glass.
I know she's tiny, but kylie had plenty of room. Regarding ergonomics,anyone remember the original Magusta? The engine was set so low that the driver was always worried sick about ripping the oilpan off, and the windshield was swept back so far that you couldn't wear a baseball cap inside because the bill would hit the glass.
I'm fairly sure she wasn't concerned about the oilpan either
Vario-Rob said:
Twincam16 said:
Vario-Rob said:
please lord may this thing if it happens have absolutely no bloody VAG DNA in it, whilst many of you like the Gallardo and all that son of Pantera absolutely must be based around a large slice of Ford and absolutely not Volkswagen in any of its multitudinous incarnations, truly that would be sacrilege.
Was the DeTomaso Guara 4.0 sacriligeous? That had a BMW V8 in it.But lets first deal with some of the detail around this one, Guara production barely made it beyond 20 units in total with a smattering of Barchetta’s and Spyders to go with the Coupe and it was an absolute sales disaster that was one of the key issues that forced the one great company under.
The reason the factory shifted from BMW power to the Ford V8 again in the later Guara’s was unsurprisingly they never paid for them. Having spoken with other club members and indeed owners it wasn’t what people wanted either as a Dee Tee has, was and must be Ford powered.
The Guara had anybody ever have bought one in the UK would have cost about £100k and don’t get me wrong I love mine to bits but rest assured I wouldn’t give you that much for now so son of Pantera needs to be rely on a few key points as it must centre itself on the massive potential in the US and absolutely must not be yet another VAG rehash that my mum could drive and smells of a VW Lupo
This car must be true to its blood line and be Ford powered, it must appeal to the massive American market and appeal with its easy Ford derived tuning options that will surely follow it, for a 1000 bhp Ford Gt read 1000bhp Panthera. This car is going to be bought by the people (blokes) who bought the first one and indeed blokes of my age who wanted one as a kid. Put more succinctly, it must carry on where the Ford GT left off and do it for several thousand less
Ideally it should be styled by Tom Tjaarda but none the less I do quite like the look of the new creation but the lights do look like something from the Maserati Bora Group 4 race car
So there you go, it must not be like the Guara, it sure as hell mustn’t be yet more brand engineered tedium from Germany and the Yanks must want to buy one by the container full. Here’s hoping and hopefully overt the next few days I’ll get a bit of feed back on how realistic this thing might be.
rob.e said:
gregorio! said:
I love it! Here's a quick combo of it and the Gallardo.
great photoshop! now do one with the gallardo engine and transmission showing, and you'll see that the bulkhead will need to be mid-way through the cabin, which might make legroom a little tight..Looks lovely though
Its just a design study thats all, you wouldn't actually expect much/any thought to be put into the potential engineering side of it at this stage. My guess is that by 'based on a Gallardo' it means the designer started off with the wheelbase and basic proportions of it to avoid having to figure that stuff out for themself.Hendry said:
The fitting of the BMW V8 (for free!) is news to me but fascinating. Have you got your car yet Rob? Pictures?
Very much so, here’s a link to a thread I perhaps mistakenly posted on the Lambo / Fez / Maz forum and indeed one or two minor action shots on the way to Le Manshttp://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
All other things being she’ll be making her way over to Silverstone this weekend as she needs a few bits doing which will tie in neatly with the Classic event they have on
There's a red Pantera that I see every now and then (surely quite rare in Australia) and while it looks a little worn, it definately gave me an affinity towards the marque.
Bring back the Mangusta says I! and how about a boutique sedan like the one they had in the late 70's to rival the Jag XJ - Although this time based on it? Another beautiful car, more money for Jag, and challenge the quattroporte?
Ali.
Bring back the Mangusta says I! and how about a boutique sedan like the one they had in the late 70's to rival the Jag XJ - Although this time based on it? Another beautiful car, more money for Jag, and challenge the quattroporte?
Ali.
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