RE: Pantera rocks again?
Discussion
Vario-Rob said:
Hendry said:
The fitting of the BMW V8 (for free!) is news to me but fascinating. Have you got your car yet Rob? Pictures?
Very much so, here’s a link to a thread I perhaps mistakenly posted on the Lambo / Fez / Maz forum and indeed one or two minor action shots on the way to Le Manshttp://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
All other things being she’ll be making her way over to Silverstone this weekend as she needs a few bits doing which will tie in neatly with the Classic event they have on
Keen to know more about the fitment of the BMW engines. Where can you point me for more info?
Edited by Hendry on Friday 27th July 08:18
Hendry said:
Wonderful! I too have a soft spot for Dee Tee's and have often drooled over the Guara. I had no idea they were quite as hardcore as yours looks (there appears to be NO soundproofing or heat insulation around the engine bay whatsoever!).
Keen to know more about the fitment of the BMW engines. Where can you point me for more info?
Hendry shoots and Hendry scores!Keen to know more about the fitment of the BMW engines. Where can you point me for more info?
The Guara is unfeasibly hardcore to drive although not really that fast. With the engine and the straight cut gearbox being stressed the cockpit is insanely noisy., shatteringly, painfully ear splittingly so, just think mid 80’s Group C Cosworth powered and you’ll not be far away.
Furthermore I think I’ve been in some truly antisocial cars over the years but after returning from Le Mans and having those little foam ear plugs in I was still partially deaf for three days. Yes really! A 600bhp Pantera I’ve driven had nothing on the antisocial of the Guara
Your spot on with the insulation as well, on the way back I sat on the M25 next to an F40 for the best part of an hour and half and the competition was who was the moist uncomfortable as the heat surge through the bulkhead does leaves you the other side of warm.. He had me back up the M11 mind….
DeTomaso information is really hard to come by, there was the Wallace Wyss book of a few years ago and last year a particular dubious book about racing Pantera’s by the equally dubious Philippe ‘The Oil Slick‘ Olczyk the is the same bloke that put together the DeTomaso Sport 5000 Classic Car featured last month that wasn’t if you follow my drift.
Generally useful sites are the American POCA but of course the Guara never made it there and Ben Tyre’s QV500 site is fascinating if you haven’t already found it but by and large most of this sort of detailed information comes by word of mouth.
http://www.panteraclub.com/
http://www.qv500.com/detomasoregistry.php
The gentleman I bought my Guara from was always considered a ‘special’ customer of the factory having one of the two genuine Longchamp GTSE Spyders commissioned once upon a time together with a raft of other special cars, that said he sourced my car from the defunct German dealer in the late nineties via Pullicino in Wandsworth. Bit like a Den Brown book really isn’t it?
But none the less both he and the DTDC secretary who’s currently restoring my Deauville are mines of information but suffice to say over the coming period I’m very much minded to do a DeTomaso book around the ‘other cars’ everything non- Pantera.
The DTDC will, be taking part in next years drivers parade at Le Mans on the Friday provided we can get one of each model along, Valelunga, Mangusta, Pantera, Deauville, Longchamp and Guara which will be great.
To sign off so this isn’t a complete highjack this was the last attempt as resurrecting the Pantera, I do prefer the new Panthera concept I must say
GravelBen said:
rob.e said:
gregorio! said:
I love it! Here's a quick combo of it and the Gallardo.
great photoshop! now do one with the gallardo engine and transmission showing, and you'll see that the bulkhead will need to be mid-way through the cabin, which might make legroom a little tight..Looks lovely though
Its just a design study thats all, you wouldn't actually expect much/any thought to be put into the potential engineering side of it at this stage. My guess is that by 'based on a Gallardo' it means the designer started off with the wheelbase and basic proportions of it to avoid having to figure that stuff out for themself.Design is a combination of art and engineering. A designer won't usually make something work, or even something which can easily be made to work, but they will at least take into account what is or isn't possible. And fitting a Panthera shell on a Gallardo drivetrain (let alone substructure) is pure fantasy.
Fezant Pluckah said:
:cough: I pointed that out on the 6th post down, page 1.Does owning a Pantwetter make you blind? Or is it all that 5-knuckle shuffling?
I do like th look of that car a lot, but continue to be amazed by the retrograde steps everything seems to be taking. Look at music for example, recently I've bought newly released albums by Ocean Colour Scene and The Manics. This month in 1997, I bought albums by OCS and the Manics. On top of that we hear the Verve and (perhaps a little more significantly!) Led Zeppelin have reformed and an old bloke who used to be in some band called The Beatles is pedalling some slightly dubious new material. For the terminally devoid of taste I believe there are also Spice Girls and Take That reunions underway at the moment and the indie crowd all look like they've been dragged out of an 80s pop video.
What happened to originality?
Don't get me wrong, I'd be very happy to have something that look's like a 70s supercar (......a 70's supercar preferably) but I'd like to think in 30 years time there'd be something of 2007 to replicate, instead it'll be a recreation of a 2011 recreation of the "classic" Fiesta from 1992 or something equally lame.
What happened to originality?
Don't get me wrong, I'd be very happy to have something that look's like a 70s supercar (......a 70's supercar preferably) but I'd like to think in 30 years time there'd be something of 2007 to replicate, instead it'll be a recreation of a 2011 recreation of the "classic" Fiesta from 1992 or something equally lame.
Fezant Pluckah said:
Gorgeous looks- cars not bad either.Sorry for stating the obvious..
gregorio! said:
Twincam16 said:
Chris71 said:
(perhaps a little more significantly!) Led Zeppelin have reformed
When!? Where!?Vario-Rob said:
Hendry said:
Wonderful! I too have a soft spot for Dee Tee's and have often drooled over the Guara. I had no idea they were quite as hardcore as yours looks (there appears to be NO soundproofing or heat insulation around the engine bay whatsoever!).
Keen to know more about the fitment of the BMW engines. Where can you point me for more info?
Hendry shoots and Hendry scores!Keen to know more about the fitment of the BMW engines. Where can you point me for more info?
The Guara is unfeasibly hardcore to drive although not really that fast. With the engine and the straight cut gearbox being stressed the cockpit is insanely noisy., shatteringly, painfully ear splittingly so, just think mid 80’s Group C Cosworth powered and you’ll not be far away.
Furthermore I think I’ve been in some truly antisocial cars over the years but after returning from Le Mans and having those little foam ear plugs in I was still partially deaf for three days. Yes really! A 600bhp Pantera I’ve driven had nothing on the antisocial of the Guara
Your spot on with the insulation as well, on the way back I sat on the M25 next to an F40 for the best part of an hour and half and the competition was who was the moist uncomfortable as the heat surge through the bulkhead does leaves you the other side of warm.. He had me back up the M11 mind….
DeTomaso information is really hard to come by, there was the Wallace Wyss book of a few years ago and last year a particular dubious book about racing Pantera’s by the equally dubious Philippe ‘The Oil Slick‘ Olczyk the is the same bloke that put together the DeTomaso Sport 5000 Classic Car featured last month that wasn’t if you follow my drift.
Generally useful sites are the American POCA but of course the Guara never made it there and Ben Tyre’s QV500 site is fascinating if you haven’t already found it but by and large most of this sort of detailed information comes by word of mouth.
http://www.panteraclub.com/
http://www.qv500.com/detomasoregistry.php
The gentleman I bought my Guara from was always considered a ‘special’ customer of the factory having one of the two genuine Longchamp GTSE Spyders commissioned once upon a time together with a raft of other special cars, that said he sourced my car from the defunct German dealer in the late nineties via Pullicino in Wandsworth. Bit like a Den Brown book really isn’t it?
But none the less both he and the DTDC secretary who’s currently restoring my Deauville are mines of information but suffice to say over the coming period I’m very much minded to do a DeTomaso book around the ‘other cars’ everything non- Pantera.
The DTDC will, be taking part in next years drivers parade at Le Mans on the Friday provided we can get one of each model along, Valelunga, Mangusta, Pantera, Deauville, Longchamp and Guara which will be great.
To sign off so this isn’t a complete highjack this was the last attempt as resurrecting the Pantera, I do prefer the new Panthera concept I must say
I really must get more land....
jmatras said:
A couple of thoughts:
Regarding ergonomics,anyone remember the original Magusta? The engine was set so low that the driver was always worried sick about ripping the oilpan off, and the windshield was swept back so far that you couldn't wear a baseball cap inside because the bill would hit the glass.....................
Anyone caught wearing a baseball cap in a classic supercar should be SHOT Regarding ergonomics,anyone remember the original Magusta? The engine was set so low that the driver was always worried sick about ripping the oilpan off, and the windshield was swept back so far that you couldn't wear a baseball cap inside because the bill would hit the glass.....................
:gregorio! said:
jmatras said:
A couple of thoughts:
Regarding ergonomics,anyone remember the original Magusta? The engine was set so low that the driver was always worried sick about ripping the oilpan off, and the windshield was swept back so far that you couldn't wear a baseball cap inside because the bill would hit the glass.
I know she's tiny, but kylie had plenty of room. Regarding ergonomics,anyone remember the original Magusta? The engine was set so low that the driver was always worried sick about ripping the oilpan off, and the windshield was swept back so far that you couldn't wear a baseball cap inside because the bill would hit the glass.
I'm fairly sure she wasn't concerned about the oilpan either
Ian a.
I kind of like the artist's effort.
As it happens, I have a set of molds to reproduce a 1972 Pantera, and other molds for large wheel wells, front airdams, etc. (obviously to produce rebody kits).
It seems to me, after looking at the artist's renderings, and being familiar with what I produce from my molds, that the artist's concept can be easily achieved ( using one of my kits as a base platform ).
Any interest or sponsors?
David Breeze
As it happens, I have a set of molds to reproduce a 1972 Pantera, and other molds for large wheel wells, front airdams, etc. (obviously to produce rebody kits).
It seems to me, after looking at the artist's renderings, and being familiar with what I produce from my molds, that the artist's concept can be easily achieved ( using one of my kits as a base platform ).
Any interest or sponsors?
David Breeze
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