RE: Nissan GTR
Discussion
Lone Granger said:
blindswelledrat said:
It is weird that everyone seems to have such a hang-up about what this car costs in Japan/America.
The same thing applies to every Japanese/American car with strong currency and massive taxes.
Why are people suddenly getting so annoyed about it with regards to the GTR?
It is an irrelevance. The only relevant thing is what you can get in the UK for the same money.
Re TVR: Most recent TVR approx £50k at a guess and would be slower, less comfortable, far more sparse and massively unreliable and much, much slower round the track for an ordinary person. In fact incomparable. I love TVRs for the record, but they are not really a good comparison as they are a fraction of the car that the GTR is thus value for money is no better IMO.
So what else? Ok, you can modify an EVO/Subaru - but that doesnt really count because by the time the GTR gets here then similar modifications will make the GTR even more extraodrinary.
You are quite right, however i think you will find that more and more people in the UK that havent climbed into the super rich category, relying on mere wages, have little or no disposable income - find being ripped off too, as one slap in the face too much....The same thing applies to every Japanese/American car with strong currency and massive taxes.
Why are people suddenly getting so annoyed about it with regards to the GTR?
It is an irrelevance. The only relevant thing is what you can get in the UK for the same money.
Re TVR: Most recent TVR approx £50k at a guess and would be slower, less comfortable, far more sparse and massively unreliable and much, much slower round the track for an ordinary person. In fact incomparable. I love TVRs for the record, but they are not really a good comparison as they are a fraction of the car that the GTR is thus value for money is no better IMO.
So what else? Ok, you can modify an EVO/Subaru - but that doesnt really count because by the time the GTR gets here then similar modifications will make the GTR even more extraodrinary.
A car that costs probably less than £25k Export price does NOT cost around £60k in UK after taxes, shipping and reasonable IMPORTER margin (most manufacturers make their profit on spares / servicing anyway.)- more like £39k ---- plus I resent being told that the supply is being deliberately restricted to create an innitial false demand over supply to suck in those with more money than sense at a premium(even if I am not one of them!)
As CAR enthusiasts rather than 'INVESTORS' wouldnt it be nice to get a great honest car at an honest price aka Scooby direct imports (they include 3 levels of profit themselves) - the new 300 bhp (re-mappable to 390) STi could no doubt be bought retail in UK for not much more than £20k (with a sensible Importer margin.) - So, yes I would still prefer the 390/390 power STi Hatch for around 1/3rd price of GTR, and then, as i say, be left with a fantastic selection of near new hi-performance machines with the balance cash...say an R8 a few months after the V10 version comes out...??!!
Argumentitive, i accept, however pretty close to achievable. - A REAL pocket rocket with adjustable diffs, stability control and engine management (already proven to match the best Gallardo ever made on damp Welsh everyday roads) ....and.....an R8..!! (bear in mind that the GTR isnt going to be obtainable probably till the end of the year.)
For some reason people are getting specifically on thier high-horses about them purely in relation to the GTR and I don't understand it.
Meanwhile, I own an Evo 8 and I thouroughly agree with the value of the Evo/Subaru but you cannot argue that they are directly comparable because they are such basic tools. If you want to talk about how fast they are then you may just as well use a radical, or similar, as a comparison which will fare even better.
You are arguing the point of whether it is worth paying £65k for any car at all and not whether the GTR is worth it.
The question for anyone who can/is prepared to spend £65 on a car,with regards to value, is what is its value compared to alternatives?
M3? RS4? base 997?
Could you drive one back through Russia? I.e. boat across from Japan. How long would it take you, is it possible. Would it stop you having to pay import duty? Would the costs involved be more than importing it (petrol etc)? Would you get murdered or car jacked driving through Russia. Are there even roads the whole way. Am I talking bo
ocks? 
ocks? 
liner33 said:
Andrew[MG] said:
I'm guessing nobody has managed to get one over to the UK yet?
There are at least 2 that have arrived in the UK that have been personally imported from Japan so far quite how much needs to be done to actually put them on the road i dont know [AJ] said:
liner33 said:
Andrew[MG] said:
I'm guessing nobody has managed to get one over to the UK yet?
There are at least 2 that have arrived in the UK that have been personally imported from Japan so far quite how much needs to be done to actually put them on the road i dont know Has he had contact from Nissans legal bods yet as everyone else has?
_daveR said:
[AJ] said:
liner33 said:
Andrew[MG] said:
I'm guessing nobody has managed to get one over to the UK yet?
There are at least 2 that have arrived in the UK that have been personally imported from Japan so far quite how much needs to be done to actually put them on the road i dont know Has he had contact from Nissans legal bods yet as everyone else has?
Im paraphrasing here, but essentially "do not try and bring in any GTR's as part of a business transaction or we will take you to the cleaners."
The agent that posted this up on the GTR.co.uk forum decided that for his fee from the transaction it just wasn't worth the hassle. The buyer then went on to just purchase it directly and had to arrange de-registration and shipping himself.
They (Nissan) cannot stop an individual doing it but can so for any "business".
Think back to the whole Levis/Tesco thing, its the same principle here.
Edit: Found the post from the importer
The agent that posted this up on the GTR.co.uk forum decided that for his fee from the transaction it just wasn't worth the hassle. The buyer then went on to just purchase it directly and had to arrange de-registration and shipping himself.
They (Nissan) cannot stop an individual doing it but can so for any "business".
Think back to the whole Levis/Tesco thing, its the same principle here.
Edit: Found the post from the importer
from gtr.co.uk forum said:
The Truth About Importing the new GTR
right guys will give yous a heads up as many ask on here and they dont know what is acually happening so i will give you my experience about the GTR.
1.we bought R35 GTR Premium in black Dec 07 for european based customer.
2.then 3 days after we bought it we got legal letters and emails from 3rd party company acting on behalf of Nissan UK saying we are acting illegally and can not help IMPORT or IMPORT the new GTR to sell..
3.After numerous replies and a month of emails and letters i had no choice but to refund my european customer the full amount for his GTR and he then had to buy it direct and ship it to Cyprus as personal import and no Import company acting as agent (with no help from me ).
4.basically i could not help him register the car in the uk as am infringing rules and trademarks from Nissan and all the hassle with letters and emails was not worth my £1000 agent fee.
5.at the moment if you want to Import a GTR you will need to be very carefull HOW and WHO you do it with..(if you need to discuss it by all means call me).
6.Nissan UK will be selling these GTR for a minumum of 55k-60k
how do i know that ? beacuse if they sell them for say 45-50k bracket otr, there would never be a point in importing a GTR from japan as grey import as it will be a lot cheaper to get it from UK but that has never happened for newer model cars.. only older car like below.
maybe now you can buy R33 gtr on ebay in uk for 7k and from japan it will cost you 10-12k from japan for decent model..
7.I am buying the new GTR soon but it will be for me only and not for sale.
right guys will give yous a heads up as many ask on here and they dont know what is acually happening so i will give you my experience about the GTR.
1.we bought R35 GTR Premium in black Dec 07 for european based customer.
2.then 3 days after we bought it we got legal letters and emails from 3rd party company acting on behalf of Nissan UK saying we are acting illegally and can not help IMPORT or IMPORT the new GTR to sell..
3.After numerous replies and a month of emails and letters i had no choice but to refund my european customer the full amount for his GTR and he then had to buy it direct and ship it to Cyprus as personal import and no Import company acting as agent (with no help from me ).
4.basically i could not help him register the car in the uk as am infringing rules and trademarks from Nissan and all the hassle with letters and emails was not worth my £1000 agent fee.
5.at the moment if you want to Import a GTR you will need to be very carefull HOW and WHO you do it with..(if you need to discuss it by all means call me).
6.Nissan UK will be selling these GTR for a minumum of 55k-60k
how do i know that ? beacuse if they sell them for say 45-50k bracket otr, there would never be a point in importing a GTR from japan as grey import as it will be a lot cheaper to get it from UK but that has never happened for newer model cars.. only older car like below.
maybe now you can buy R33 gtr on ebay in uk for 7k and from japan it will cost you 10-12k from japan for decent model..
7.I am buying the new GTR soon but it will be for me only and not for sale.
Edited by _daveR on Wednesday 6th February 17:43
john_r said:
dxb335d said:
So Nissan take a step backwards with turbos and the bottom end regarding reliablity aswell as a tamper proof ecu to prevent tuning, why not just leave it to the ecu etc.....
Is there an English version of this post anywhere?
All I heard was a similar sound that comes from those wine-tramps who swear at you in the street
john_r said:
Prolex-UK said:
Can't stop you bringing over a used one though...............
Yes, but where are you going to get it serviced or fixed if something goes wrong?The only problem with buying an import is what you dont get:-
A)The increased BHP of a Euro spec car, cant be purchased!!
B)The upgraded tyres and wheels, most importantly the suspension has been upgraded!!
All of this is about +£7000 worth of work.
C) Full UK dealer support and warranty- blow the the handbuilt engine on an import- your buggered!! Even getting it retuned isnt possible because UK approved performance car dealers are only issued with EU software, so if your import starts running like a bag of nails dont expect the dealer to help- he wont have the software that will recognise your car!!
Most of this Nissan have done as they are free of the Jap market here and also because there is every chance of you taking it down an Autobahn at full tilt, which the Jap running gear would not survive (the tyres would melt!!) Plus when people get to know them better they will instantly spot your inferior Jap model as you will have the wrong wheels!! But the most important thing is that warranty, true you can buy a warranty on an import, just try claiming £20,000 for a new engine if you over do the launch modes!!
A)The increased BHP of a Euro spec car, cant be purchased!!
B)The upgraded tyres and wheels, most importantly the suspension has been upgraded!!
All of this is about +£7000 worth of work.
C) Full UK dealer support and warranty- blow the the handbuilt engine on an import- your buggered!! Even getting it retuned isnt possible because UK approved performance car dealers are only issued with EU software, so if your import starts running like a bag of nails dont expect the dealer to help- he wont have the software that will recognise your car!!
Most of this Nissan have done as they are free of the Jap market here and also because there is every chance of you taking it down an Autobahn at full tilt, which the Jap running gear would not survive (the tyres would melt!!) Plus when people get to know them better they will instantly spot your inferior Jap model as you will have the wrong wheels!! But the most important thing is that warranty, true you can buy a warranty on an import, just try claiming £20,000 for a new engine if you over do the launch modes!!
Quickflyer said:
The only problem with buying an import is what you dont get:-
A)The increased BHP of a Euro spec car, cant be purchased!!
B)The upgraded tyres and wheels, most importantly the suspension has been upgraded!!
All of this is about +£7000 worth of work.
C) Full UK dealer support and warranty- blow the the handbuilt engine on an import- your buggered!! Even getting it retuned isnt possible because UK approved performance car dealers are only issued with EU software, so if your import starts running like a bag of nails dont expect the dealer to help- he wont have the software that will recognise your car!!
Most of this Nissan have done as they are free of the Jap market here and also because there is every chance of you taking it down an Autobahn at full tilt, which the Jap running gear would not survive (the tyres would melt!!) Plus when people get to know them better they will instantly spot your inferior Jap model as you will have the wrong wheels!! But the most important thing is that warranty, true you can buy a warranty on an import, just try claiming £20,000 for a new engine if you over do the launch modes!!
Work for Nissan? Or a troll? Interesting first post and one hell of a A)The increased BHP of a Euro spec car, cant be purchased!!
B)The upgraded tyres and wheels, most importantly the suspension has been upgraded!!
All of this is about +£7000 worth of work.
C) Full UK dealer support and warranty- blow the the handbuilt engine on an import- your buggered!! Even getting it retuned isnt possible because UK approved performance car dealers are only issued with EU software, so if your import starts running like a bag of nails dont expect the dealer to help- he wont have the software that will recognise your car!!
Most of this Nissan have done as they are free of the Jap market here and also because there is every chance of you taking it down an Autobahn at full tilt, which the Jap running gear would not survive (the tyres would melt!!) Plus when people get to know them better they will instantly spot your inferior Jap model as you will have the wrong wheels!! But the most important thing is that warranty, true you can buy a warranty on an import, just try claiming £20,000 for a new engine if you over do the launch modes!!
Quickflyer said:
The only problem with buying an import is what you dont get:-
A)The increased BHP of a Euro spec car, cant be purchased!!
B)The upgraded tyres and wheels, most importantly the suspension has been upgraded!!
All of this is about +£7000 worth of work.
C) Full UK dealer support and warranty- blow the the handbuilt engine on an import- your buggered!! Even getting it retuned isnt possible because UK approved performance car dealers are only issued with EU software, so if your import starts running like a bag of nails dont expect the dealer to help- he wont have the software that will recognise your car!!
Most of this Nissan have done as they are free of the Jap market here and also because there is every chance of you taking it down an Autobahn at full tilt, which the Jap running gear would not survive (the tyres would melt!!) Plus when people get to know them better they will instantly spot your inferior Jap model as you will have the wrong wheels!! But the most important thing is that warranty, true you can buy a warranty on an import, just try claiming £20,000 for a new engine if you over do the launch modes!!
a) All 2010 cars have the extra 5 bhp.A)The increased BHP of a Euro spec car, cant be purchased!!
B)The upgraded tyres and wheels, most importantly the suspension has been upgraded!!
All of this is about +£7000 worth of work.
C) Full UK dealer support and warranty- blow the the handbuilt engine on an import- your buggered!! Even getting it retuned isnt possible because UK approved performance car dealers are only issued with EU software, so if your import starts running like a bag of nails dont expect the dealer to help- he wont have the software that will recognise your car!!
Most of this Nissan have done as they are free of the Jap market here and also because there is every chance of you taking it down an Autobahn at full tilt, which the Jap running gear would not survive (the tyres would melt!!) Plus when people get to know them better they will instantly spot your inferior Jap model as you will have the wrong wheels!! But the most important thing is that warranty, true you can buy a warranty on an import, just try claiming £20,000 for a new engine if you over do the launch modes!!
b) Wheels are the same (but for colour). There are two types of tyre - the UK Dunlops are the same as the Japan Dunlops. From what I understand all markets get the revised chassis and suspension settings.
c) Servicing (and tuning) is already possible at independents and will only become more widespread.
I'm not sure why the tyres would melt when they are the same as the ones fitted to the UK cars. Nor why the (warranted) "launch" mode will destroy your engine.
What is true is that I wouldn't buy any new £55k car without a warranty, whatever it was.
Edited by Trommel on Thursday 28th May 09:49
This car absolutely smashes the 911. It is THE performance benchmark that breaches the gap between sports coupes and supercars. To qualify as a supercar, any wannabe supercar has to beat this. You can see why Porsche's new 911 Turbo is so good because they were so peed off about this but I would still have the Nissan and save £45,000.
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