RE: Mercedes C63 AMG
Discussion
chiefski26 said:
Hi sold a c63 a while ago which had no performance pack,just bought another one with the original p/pack and 18" alloys and to sum it up in a nutshell i would never buy a c63 again without the p/pack again the difference is chalk and cheese.
If you sold it a while ago, why update this thread after 2 years? 
Jimbeaux said:
Beemer-5 said:
Jimbeaux said:
itr786 said:
A monster thats s
t around bends, if i didn't know any better id think it was made over the pond by the fat yanks, for the fat yanks.
Don't think people realise how much quicker the M3 is compared to this 'thing', around the lap on top gear this week in was 5 SECONDS A LAP QUICKER!, and this wasn't the nurbergring (spell check), it was a 2.45mins circuit.
I find it funny when the "Yank cars are st around bends, if i didn't know any better id think it was made over the pond by the fat yanks, for the fat yanks.Don't think people realise how much quicker the M3 is compared to this 'thing', around the lap on top gear this week in was 5 SECONDS A LAP QUICKER!, and this wasn't the nurbergring (spell check), it was a 2.45mins circuit.
t around bends" idiots stick their head up over and over.....it just takes some folks so long to get around a stereotype. 
.....but I digress, back to the Merc. 
M3 , C63 RS4 are all great cars why people get all emotional over which is the best is beyond me 
Lol, I've never seen this thread before and it does make me laugh when there are so many opinions from the experts who have never driven any of the cars mentioned!! And you see it so often on other topics when expert opinion is formed by watching Top Gear.
I could be deemed as being a little biased given I am on my 2nd C63 but in all honesty, I have no brand loyalty and most of my previous 'premium' cars were BMWs including an e92 M3. I also have experience, if rather brief, in driving an RS4 like it was stolen.
Given I've never driven a C63 without a LSD (why they ever make one without I do not know) I can't comment from personal experience on what a standard one is like but what I can say is that even with a diff, a C63 still doesn't go round corners as well as an M3. It has more weight, a slightly less perfect weight distribution (although still acceptable at 54/46 biased to the front) and as such it just doesn't turn into corners with as much apex-nailing precision. In my experience, an LSD equipped C63 will hold onto an M3 but only by virtue of the extra power. I have to admit to never finding a situation where I've needed to nail an apple on the apex or indeed anything vaguely similar and as such this was not a pre-requisit when I was looking to buy one!
So, despite the C63 not being able to nail an apex like an M3, it's still an awesome machine and for all the benefits you get in other areas where it trounces and M3 such as build quality (no squeaks or rattles in either C63...unlike both of my previous e92's!), power, steering feel, brakes, noise, seats, exclusivity and residual value, it really does make it a much more satisfying machine to own as a road car.
As for my limited time in an RS4 in comparison? From memory it seemed slower than the M3 and indeed not really any faster than another of my previous BMW's, a 335i. It definitely could go round corners well enough but just wasn't as much fun...as has been said before, it's the on-demand tail-out sliding ability that makes some of these cars such fun if thats your thing and the RS4 could not do this. I would deem an RS4 more of a car for someone who wants the security of traction more than the ability to go sideways at will!
I could be deemed as being a little biased given I am on my 2nd C63 but in all honesty, I have no brand loyalty and most of my previous 'premium' cars were BMWs including an e92 M3. I also have experience, if rather brief, in driving an RS4 like it was stolen.
Given I've never driven a C63 without a LSD (why they ever make one without I do not know) I can't comment from personal experience on what a standard one is like but what I can say is that even with a diff, a C63 still doesn't go round corners as well as an M3. It has more weight, a slightly less perfect weight distribution (although still acceptable at 54/46 biased to the front) and as such it just doesn't turn into corners with as much apex-nailing precision. In my experience, an LSD equipped C63 will hold onto an M3 but only by virtue of the extra power. I have to admit to never finding a situation where I've needed to nail an apple on the apex or indeed anything vaguely similar and as such this was not a pre-requisit when I was looking to buy one!
So, despite the C63 not being able to nail an apex like an M3, it's still an awesome machine and for all the benefits you get in other areas where it trounces and M3 such as build quality (no squeaks or rattles in either C63...unlike both of my previous e92's!), power, steering feel, brakes, noise, seats, exclusivity and residual value, it really does make it a much more satisfying machine to own as a road car.
As for my limited time in an RS4 in comparison? From memory it seemed slower than the M3 and indeed not really any faster than another of my previous BMW's, a 335i. It definitely could go round corners well enough but just wasn't as much fun...as has been said before, it's the on-demand tail-out sliding ability that makes some of these cars such fun if thats your thing and the RS4 could not do this. I would deem an RS4 more of a car for someone who wants the security of traction more than the ability to go sideways at will!
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