RE: PistonHeads Classified Advert Scam
Discussion
.. al said:
I got sent an e-mail earlier with an enquiry about this link
http://www.wewillbuyyourcar.com
My software tells me its ok, but be careful or check it yourselves. The company name is in Hull, but a search for the .co.uk details (registered at the same time as the .com) reveals the address to be in West Yorkshire.
Potentially explained by this (First paragraph on page 2)http://www.wewillbuyyourcar.com
My software tells me its ok, but be careful or check it yourselves. The company name is in Hull, but a search for the .co.uk details (registered at the same time as the .com) reveals the address to be in West Yorkshire.
General concencus on the web appears to be that they do what they say they will do... they just offer a low value for your car.
Avoiding the hassle and expense of a private sale/autotrader etc has to cost you somewhere along the line....
Personally, I would still be very wary though, but maybe that's just me.....
I emailed a guy about a ML 320 and received a reply about him moving to Italy etc. etc. I suspected it was a scam and when I told him that I would only buy the car if it was delivered using an escrow service of my choice I never heard from him again - surprise surprise!! The next day, I emailed for details of a different ML 320 and received the exact same e-mail. Told Piston Heads and adverts were removed. They should all be shot.
Fortunately for us buyers, it's quite hard to do the whole scam thing when ones command of the english language and the normal constructs that are used in buying from classifieds is pretty low.
In the dialogue, you can always spot stuff that is pretty much rubbish.
Let's hope they never actually get clever!
Bert
In the dialogue, you can always spot stuff that is pretty much rubbish.
scammer said:
You will find 90% of answers in that notification from Pistonheads!
A salesman selling would say "all of your answers"scammer said:
The shipping costs are included in the price.
What shipping costs? It's not ebay.scammer said:
The payment has to be sent using Money-Gram money transfer. We would like to confirm to you again that our seller, Patrick Mcmanamon is a verified PistonHeads Seller
Do what?scammer said:
Safe Harbor
Even the pistonheads peeps can spell!Let's hope they never actually get clever!
Bert
Morningside said:
GingerNinja said:
Why not include a scam warning and a link to this article with every ad in the classifieds?
Or a warning page about the most common scams before being forwarded to the classified. Hi,
I would say I have just been dealing with a scammer. He 'it' was selling a dodge charger for £3900 that was udkes of hazard painted etc. Now come on, for that price its too good to be true.Lets see if I can show you some of the e-mails that were sent, look for many spelling mistakes in his e-mails although I am not perfect lol! Oh, and to be called Mr Steve lol, what a slip up eh? Anyway, read on, hope this helps prevent any more rip off merchants.
(from e-mail address sw2ms@aol.com)
Hello,
I am selling this car for £3,900.00 including delivery anywhere in UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only reason is that I need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/view isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough PistonHeads. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that notification from PistonHeads!
Thanks
Hello,
The car doesn't need anything to pass the next mot .it runs and drives excellent .To start the transaction and delivery I need a completed shipping address like :
Name ,
Street address,
CIty
postal code .
As soon I receive your details I will start the transaction through piston heads and they will send you all the details .
thanks
Hello,
Thank you very much. Your details have been noted. Please let me know as soon as you receive the notification from PistonHeads to move forward. The shipping costs are included in the price.Please follow PistonHeads instructions and send me the payment confirmation so I will start shipping asap.
Thanks
John Sampson
Hello,
the vehicle will be delivered in enclosed truck .The shipping takes about 1-2 business day.
thanks
Hello Steve ,
Thank you very much for your email.The V5 document included current mot ,old receipts and fuel tank fitted to the car will be delivered in the same shipment with the car .The car runs on unleaded without any problem.The transaction is insured up to 5000 pounds so if you will not be satisfied with your purchase you may request a refund .As I told you the car runs and drives excellent , it was my dream car and I assure you that you will never be disppointed but unfortunately I need cash for a family emergency.4 I'm waiting for the payment confirmation to start shipping asap.
thanks
Hello Steve ,
Let me explain what you must do to transfer the payment with MoneyGram... First, you have to locate an MG office in your area... To do that go online at www.moneygram.com , click the "Find US" button, select United Kingdom as the country and enter ONLY your city and you will displayed a list of MG Offices in your area... Go to one of those offices with CASH and my details (only name and city required) and send the money to me! To send a MG money transfer, you will need to pay a fee... according to the payment invoice, that fee will be supported by both us... my half will be deducted from the total amount! Hope you will manage to complete the payment... If you do, email me back with the requested payment details! will wait to hear from you! The piuctures have been attached on this email.
Thank you!
John
Unfortunately I don't have more pictures but I assure you that there is no damage or kind of bad things on this car as I've kept it llike my baby .
Best regards,
John.
Dear Mr. Steve,
The car is will be ready to go tomorrow morning and I can deliver it at your workplace without any problem if you provide me the address .
Best regards and good night ,
John
Got this one after I said I wanted to transfer money direct into his persoanl account, thought of that after I started to suspect:
Hi Steve,
Unfortuntely I have to cancel the transaction and start looking for another buyer .
Thank you for your interest
John
As soon as I said I was going to buy the car I rceived this within a minute and on a Sunday!!
PistonHeads sent this message to Steve Renwick(steverenwick@hotmail.com).
Your registered name is included to show this message originated from PistonHeads.com .
Congratulations, the vehicle is yours. Please Pay Now!
PistonHeads insured this transaction at seller's request.With the new Classified Ad format, a vehicle may be insured at the full price.Buy a vehicle confidently with PistonHeads Motors protection programs.
Dear Steve Renwick(steverenwick@hotmail.com),
Thank you for your purchase.Please follow our instructions to complete the transaction safely. The total price for the vehicle below is £3,900.00
Reference # Transaction Title Qty. Price
335558 1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) 1 £3,900.00
Delivery and Insurance: Included
Total: £3,900.00
1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (Reference #335558)
Your Price:
£3,900.00
Date: Sunday, 13 January, 2008
Don't miss this opportunity!
Vehicle insurance policy:
The following vehicle is clear for PistonHeads's Vehicle insurance policy:
1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (Reference #335558)
Vehicle Purchase Protection
Seller's verified payment address:
John Sampson
6 Woodland Ter
Abertridwr, Caerphilly
CF83 4DQ
United Kingdom
The vehicle will be sent to:
We remind you that this PistonHeads member will pay for delivery costs
Buyer's delivery address:
Steve Renwick
Reference Number: 335558
Amount Insured: £3,900.00
Attention: Sending the payment by any other method will void this transaction and your right to refund.
Details and instructions for this transaction:
The payment has to be sent using Money-Gram money transfer. We would like to confirm to you again that our seller, John Sampson is a verified PistonHeads Seller. Your transaction with John Sampson is covered by Vehicle Purchase Protection and PistonHeads's Fraud Protection Plan (PistonHeads Safe Harbor) .
The Vehicle Purchase Protection program helps protect your vehicle purchase against fraud and material misrepresentation. After you will send the payment via Money-Gram please contact the Seller at this e-mail address with the payment details: sw2ms@aol.com
Money-Gram is a Partner with Buy Safe for PistonHeads Protection
Money-Gram Payment Systems, Inc. is a leading provider of International person-to-person money transfer. With more than 150 years experience and 245,000 Agent locations in over 200 countries and territories, Money-Gram is recognized for sending money quickly, reliably, and conveniently.
Pay your Seller using cash from your nearest Money-Gram Agent! To locate a Money-Gram Agent in your area please click the "Pay Now" button:
Because the fee to send a Money-Gram Money Transfer is high, compared to other methods of payment, we have arranged with the Seller to compensate for half of this fee (i.e., if it costs you £100 to send the payment, take £50 from the amount insured and send the balance).
Once the payment was sent, email the Seller the following payment details :
1) 8 digit Reference Number on file with Money-Gram:
2) Exact sender's name on file with Money-Gram:
3) Exact sender's address on file with Money-Gram:
4) Amount sent:
Then wait for the confirmation that the payment was received. Within 48 hours, you will receive the delivery information for your
vehicle from the Seller.
If you have any question, please Contact Us .
The Seller John Sampson is a registered PistonHeads Seller. Buy with confidence!
Free coverage up to £ 5,000.00 Guaranteed by PistonHeads
SquareTrade Buyer Protection Policy
This policy was last modified on Sunday, 13 January, 2008.
Please note: If the information regarding the payment from Money-Gram is not sent to the seller within the next 3 business days, we will assume your account is fraudulent and it will be suspended. We apologize for this inconvenience, but the purpose of this verification is to ensure that you will contact the Seller with all the information regarding the payment.
Purchase Protection and Refund:
Currently, the Seller has a £ 5,000.00 deposit in the PistonHeads managed purchase protection account. Transactions with this PistonHeads Seller are covered by purchase protection against fraud and description errors (i.e., PistonHeads Buyer Protection Program and PistonHeads Fraud Protection Program). For your safety, this account was locked today, for a period of 30 days. The Seller is unable to withdraw any money from it, within this period. If you will need a refund for this transaction, the insured amount will be taken from the Seller's purchase protection account and sent to you. The refund is sent to your bank account, or by check or money order. You will choose the refund method. You have 30 days from the above verification date to request a refund. Refund requests are processed within 3 days. The insurer of this transaction is PistonHeads.com. The account is managed by PistonHeads's Square Trade center and this transaction is supervised by PistonHeads's Safe Harbor team.
Fraud protection provides reimbursement in the following situations:
- not receiving the vehicle; receiving a stolen vehicle; receiving a vehicle with an undisclosed outstanding finance against it; paying a deposit for a vehicle and not receiving the vehicle or a refund of the deposit; receiving a vehicle, but not receiving a title(V5 document)to it if and only if the Motor Vehicle Departments in both the buyer's and the seller's country require a title certificate for that vehicle
If you did not pay the Seller by the required payment method(Money-Gram), your refund request would be declined.
Important Usage Guidelines:
The contact information should only be used for resolving matters related to PistonHeads. Any other use is strictly prohibited. This transaction is protected by PistonHeads services such as insurance, feedback and dispute resolution. You may buy and sell with confidence in all transactions with this PistonHeads member. If you need to dispute this transaction, keep the transaction number at hand when contacting PistonHeads. Any complaints must be filed within 30 days from the verification date.
Note: We sent a separate email to the Seller to confirm this sale
This e-mail was sent to you by PistonHeads's Safe Harbor team, with the full support of the Square Trade center. The Seller was informed about this transaction being started and is awaiting your payment. It is recommended to send the payment as soon as possible, as your purchase protection is valid for 30 days only. Should you encounter any problems with this transaction, please contact us. When contacting our support team, use the reply feature so that all previous correspondences are included in your email. Otherwise, we will not be able to process your request.
To ask for a refund, simply reply to this notification and enter in the subject line:
Refund request for PistonHeads Transaction #335558
Protect your PistonHeads account:
Thank you for being part of the PistonHeads community.
http:/www.PistonHeads.com/
PistonHeads
The UK's Online Marketplace
PistonHeads Purchase Protection Program
PistonHeads ID: John Sampson
A SquareTrade Seal Member in good standing
Identity and/or Contact Information Verified.
Continues to meet strict Seal Membership Criteria.
Committed to Dispute Resolution and Mediation.
Vehicle #335558
is backed by SquareTrade's
Buyer Protection Policy - up to £ 5,000.00.
The criteria for SquareTrade Membership.
The SquareTrade Seal, along with other factors, can substantially lower the risks of buying online. The Seal is a guarantee of a successful transaction or of a Seller's performance.
Contact the Seller at: sw2ms@aol.com
You can apply to become a SquareTrade Seal Member. It is PistonHeads's largest community of trusted sellers - with 1.5 million listings every day proudly displaying the Seal.
Buyers will feel comfortable buying from you knowing that you are a verified seller and that you will resolve disputes.
This seller has provided PistonHeads with additional registration information to verify his authenticity. PistonHeadsreviews each PistonHeads Square Trade registration and requires additional proof of identity. In return, PistonHeads Square Trade members may request PistonHeads Motors protection programs.
Condition Guarantee by Seller
1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (Reference #335558) is qualified for Condition Guarantee by Seller benefits.
While the vast majority of vehicle transactions on PistonHeads Motors go smoothly, the Condition Guarantee by Seller Program provides you with added protection from PistonHeads when purchasing a passenger vehicle. Sellers participating in the Condition Guarantee by Seller Program have put forth their best efforts to build your trust. Vehicles covered by the Condition Guarantee by Seller include the following protection:
* The seller guarantees that the vehicle condition is as described.
* The seller agrees to work with you to ensure your satisfaction.
* Condition Guarantee by Seller provides you with additional protection from PistonHeads.
What happens if the seller does not respond after the payment is completed?
SquareTrade repeatedly tries to encourage the other party to respond to a case, but we cannot guarantee participation, since the process is completely voluntary. If the respondent does not reply within one week from when the case was initially filed, it is unlikely that you will receive a response and we will close the case. If we hear from the other party after the case closes, we reopen the case and notify you.
Currently, the seller has a £ 5,000.00 deposit in an PistonHeads and SquareTrade managed purchase protection account. Transactions with this PistonHeads seller are covered by purchase protection against fraud and description errors.
The insurer of this transaction is PistonHeads Ltd.
The account is managed by PistonHeads's SquareTrade center.
This transaction is supervised by PistonHeads's SafeHarbor team.
For buyers or sellers safety, if the owner of this account try to withdraw the
funds, he must wait at least 15 days from that day before the funds are
released and the purchase protection account is closed.
Should you need a refund for this transaction?
The insured amount of the transaction will be taken from the seller's purchase protection account and refunded to you. The refund is sent to your bank account, or by check or money order. The way you are refunded is at your discretion. You have 15 days from the above verification date to request the refund. Refund requests are processed within 3 days.
SquareTrade Buyer Protection Policy
This policy was last modified on Sunday, 13 January, 2008.
PistonHeads buyer Steve Renwick should feel confident purchasing from an PistonHeads Seal Member. Seal Member John Sampson has been verified by us and is committed to customer satisfaction and resolving disputes via mediation. Seal Member John Sampson is using Money-Gram Money Transfer as a payment method due the fact is unable to offer pick-up for the above vehicle. We would like to confirm that you are fully protected in the transaction with only in these cases: Payment sent but merchandise not received. No response to your messages. Payment sent but merchandise not received as the seller described it.
Selling Standards
Disclose pricing, shipping and return policies in a clear and accurate manner
Disclose contact information, if requested to do so by a buyer
Respond to disputes filed and participate in mediation, if buyer requests
Commits to meeting SquareTrade Standards.
Sincerely,
PistonHeads Customer Support
Please do not respond to this email with information regarding your case, as it can only be processed through the PistonHeads Customer Consultant website. If you have other questions, please Contact Us .
PistonHeads Recommends Seller John Sampson
Our records indicate that you recently interacted with John Sampson for the following transaction:
Item: 1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (335558)
PistonHeads was recently contacted by John Sampson (sw2ms@aol.com), regarding the above vehicle. The seller asked our help in the following problem:
- Help me show this buyer that I am a serious seller and he can use Money Gram as the payment method.
We verified the information of this seller and we strongly recommend him.
Our verification confirms the contact info of this seller and his ability to deliver the vehicle advertised on our marketplace. There is a limited group of sellers on PistonHeads which we can recommend and John Sampson is one of them.
At the request of the seller, PistonHeads is recording the transaction for vehicle 1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (335558) to insure its safety and integrity. Both the seller and the buyer are protected in case of fraud.
We will take full measures against any person that will break PistonHeads's rules.
Here are the situations suitable for a refund request :
- not receiving the vehicle; receiving a stolen vehicle; receiving a vehicle with an undisclosed outstanding finance against it; paying a deposit for a vehicle and not receiving the vehicle or a refund of the deposit; receiving a vehicle, but not receiving a title(V5 document)to it if and only if the Motor Vehicle Departments in both the buyer's and the seller's country require a title certificate for that vehicle.
In these cases you have to return the vehicle to the Seller prior to ask for your refund. If you do not pay the Seller by the required payment method, your refund request would be declined.
Important Usage Guidelines:
1. The contact information should only be used for resolving matters related to PistonHeads. Any other use is strictly prohibited.
2. This transaction is protected by PistonHeads services such as insurance, feedback and dispute resolution.
3. You may buy and sell with confidence in all transactions with this PistonHeads member.
4. Should you need to dispute this transaction, keep the transaction number at hand when contacting PistonHeads. Any complaints must be filed within 30 days from the verification date.
This e-mail message was sent to you from PistonHeads SafeHarbor team, with the full support of the SquareTrade center.
This transaction is insured by PistonHeads.You must pay this seller by MoneyGram because the seller's credibility and payment address has been verified by us.
Thank you for being part of the PistonHeads Community.
PistonHeads Safe Harbor
Investigations Team
Now,
I am putting all of this on here for you all to view in the hope that this (think of a number of 4 letter words) does not actually rip any one off.
I am genuinely lookig for an American muscle car and do have certain funds available, shame that there are people like this out there.
Look forward to keeping in contact with like minded people,
Regards,
Steve
I would say I have just been dealing with a scammer. He 'it' was selling a dodge charger for £3900 that was udkes of hazard painted etc. Now come on, for that price its too good to be true.Lets see if I can show you some of the e-mails that were sent, look for many spelling mistakes in his e-mails although I am not perfect lol! Oh, and to be called Mr Steve lol, what a slip up eh? Anyway, read on, hope this helps prevent any more rip off merchants.
(from e-mail address sw2ms@aol.com)
Hello,
I am selling this car for £3,900.00 including delivery anywhere in UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only reason is that I need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/view isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough PistonHeads. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that notification from PistonHeads!
Thanks
Hello,
The car doesn't need anything to pass the next mot .it runs and drives excellent .To start the transaction and delivery I need a completed shipping address like :
Name ,
Street address,
CIty
postal code .
As soon I receive your details I will start the transaction through piston heads and they will send you all the details .
thanks
Hello,
Thank you very much. Your details have been noted. Please let me know as soon as you receive the notification from PistonHeads to move forward. The shipping costs are included in the price.Please follow PistonHeads instructions and send me the payment confirmation so I will start shipping asap.
Thanks
John Sampson
Hello,
the vehicle will be delivered in enclosed truck .The shipping takes about 1-2 business day.
thanks
Hello Steve ,
Thank you very much for your email.The V5 document included current mot ,old receipts and fuel tank fitted to the car will be delivered in the same shipment with the car .The car runs on unleaded without any problem.The transaction is insured up to 5000 pounds so if you will not be satisfied with your purchase you may request a refund .As I told you the car runs and drives excellent , it was my dream car and I assure you that you will never be disppointed but unfortunately I need cash for a family emergency.4 I'm waiting for the payment confirmation to start shipping asap.
thanks
Hello Steve ,
Let me explain what you must do to transfer the payment with MoneyGram... First, you have to locate an MG office in your area... To do that go online at www.moneygram.com , click the "Find US" button, select United Kingdom as the country and enter ONLY your city and you will displayed a list of MG Offices in your area... Go to one of those offices with CASH and my details (only name and city required) and send the money to me! To send a MG money transfer, you will need to pay a fee... according to the payment invoice, that fee will be supported by both us... my half will be deducted from the total amount! Hope you will manage to complete the payment... If you do, email me back with the requested payment details! will wait to hear from you! The piuctures have been attached on this email.
Thank you!
John
Unfortunately I don't have more pictures but I assure you that there is no damage or kind of bad things on this car as I've kept it llike my baby .
Best regards,
John.
Dear Mr. Steve,
The car is will be ready to go tomorrow morning and I can deliver it at your workplace without any problem if you provide me the address .
Best regards and good night ,
John
Got this one after I said I wanted to transfer money direct into his persoanl account, thought of that after I started to suspect:
Hi Steve,
Unfortuntely I have to cancel the transaction and start looking for another buyer .
Thank you for your interest
John
As soon as I said I was going to buy the car I rceived this within a minute and on a Sunday!!
PistonHeads sent this message to Steve Renwick(steverenwick@hotmail.com).
Your registered name is included to show this message originated from PistonHeads.com .
Congratulations, the vehicle is yours. Please Pay Now!
PistonHeads insured this transaction at seller's request.With the new Classified Ad format, a vehicle may be insured at the full price.Buy a vehicle confidently with PistonHeads Motors protection programs.
Dear Steve Renwick(steverenwick@hotmail.com),
Thank you for your purchase.Please follow our instructions to complete the transaction safely. The total price for the vehicle below is £3,900.00
Reference # Transaction Title Qty. Price
335558 1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) 1 £3,900.00
Delivery and Insurance: Included
Total: £3,900.00
1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (Reference #335558)
Your Price:
£3,900.00
Date: Sunday, 13 January, 2008
Don't miss this opportunity!
Vehicle insurance policy:
The following vehicle is clear for PistonHeads's Vehicle insurance policy:
1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (Reference #335558)
Vehicle Purchase Protection
Seller's verified payment address:
John Sampson
6 Woodland Ter
Abertridwr, Caerphilly
CF83 4DQ
United Kingdom
The vehicle will be sent to:
We remind you that this PistonHeads member will pay for delivery costs
Buyer's delivery address:
Steve Renwick
- ###########
- ###########
- ###########
- ###########
Reference Number: 335558
Amount Insured: £3,900.00
Attention: Sending the payment by any other method will void this transaction and your right to refund.
Details and instructions for this transaction:
The payment has to be sent using Money-Gram money transfer. We would like to confirm to you again that our seller, John Sampson is a verified PistonHeads Seller. Your transaction with John Sampson is covered by Vehicle Purchase Protection and PistonHeads's Fraud Protection Plan (PistonHeads Safe Harbor) .
The Vehicle Purchase Protection program helps protect your vehicle purchase against fraud and material misrepresentation. After you will send the payment via Money-Gram please contact the Seller at this e-mail address with the payment details: sw2ms@aol.com
Money-Gram is a Partner with Buy Safe for PistonHeads Protection
Money-Gram Payment Systems, Inc. is a leading provider of International person-to-person money transfer. With more than 150 years experience and 245,000 Agent locations in over 200 countries and territories, Money-Gram is recognized for sending money quickly, reliably, and conveniently.
Pay your Seller using cash from your nearest Money-Gram Agent! To locate a Money-Gram Agent in your area please click the "Pay Now" button:
Because the fee to send a Money-Gram Money Transfer is high, compared to other methods of payment, we have arranged with the Seller to compensate for half of this fee (i.e., if it costs you £100 to send the payment, take £50 from the amount insured and send the balance).
Once the payment was sent, email the Seller the following payment details :
1) 8 digit Reference Number on file with Money-Gram:
2) Exact sender's name on file with Money-Gram:
3) Exact sender's address on file with Money-Gram:
4) Amount sent:
Then wait for the confirmation that the payment was received. Within 48 hours, you will receive the delivery information for your
vehicle from the Seller.
If you have any question, please Contact Us .
The Seller John Sampson is a registered PistonHeads Seller. Buy with confidence!
Free coverage up to £ 5,000.00 Guaranteed by PistonHeads
SquareTrade Buyer Protection Policy
This policy was last modified on Sunday, 13 January, 2008.
Please note: If the information regarding the payment from Money-Gram is not sent to the seller within the next 3 business days, we will assume your account is fraudulent and it will be suspended. We apologize for this inconvenience, but the purpose of this verification is to ensure that you will contact the Seller with all the information regarding the payment.
Purchase Protection and Refund:
Currently, the Seller has a £ 5,000.00 deposit in the PistonHeads managed purchase protection account. Transactions with this PistonHeads Seller are covered by purchase protection against fraud and description errors (i.e., PistonHeads Buyer Protection Program and PistonHeads Fraud Protection Program). For your safety, this account was locked today, for a period of 30 days. The Seller is unable to withdraw any money from it, within this period. If you will need a refund for this transaction, the insured amount will be taken from the Seller's purchase protection account and sent to you. The refund is sent to your bank account, or by check or money order. You will choose the refund method. You have 30 days from the above verification date to request a refund. Refund requests are processed within 3 days. The insurer of this transaction is PistonHeads.com. The account is managed by PistonHeads's Square Trade center and this transaction is supervised by PistonHeads's Safe Harbor team.
Fraud protection provides reimbursement in the following situations:
- not receiving the vehicle; receiving a stolen vehicle; receiving a vehicle with an undisclosed outstanding finance against it; paying a deposit for a vehicle and not receiving the vehicle or a refund of the deposit; receiving a vehicle, but not receiving a title(V5 document)to it if and only if the Motor Vehicle Departments in both the buyer's and the seller's country require a title certificate for that vehicle
If you did not pay the Seller by the required payment method(Money-Gram), your refund request would be declined.
Important Usage Guidelines:
The contact information should only be used for resolving matters related to PistonHeads. Any other use is strictly prohibited. This transaction is protected by PistonHeads services such as insurance, feedback and dispute resolution. You may buy and sell with confidence in all transactions with this PistonHeads member. If you need to dispute this transaction, keep the transaction number at hand when contacting PistonHeads. Any complaints must be filed within 30 days from the verification date.
Note: We sent a separate email to the Seller to confirm this sale
This e-mail was sent to you by PistonHeads's Safe Harbor team, with the full support of the Square Trade center. The Seller was informed about this transaction being started and is awaiting your payment. It is recommended to send the payment as soon as possible, as your purchase protection is valid for 30 days only. Should you encounter any problems with this transaction, please contact us. When contacting our support team, use the reply feature so that all previous correspondences are included in your email. Otherwise, we will not be able to process your request.
To ask for a refund, simply reply to this notification and enter in the subject line:
Refund request for PistonHeads Transaction #335558
Protect your PistonHeads account:
Thank you for being part of the PistonHeads community.
http:/www.PistonHeads.com/
PistonHeads
The UK's Online Marketplace
PistonHeads Purchase Protection Program
PistonHeads ID: John Sampson
A SquareTrade Seal Member in good standing
Identity and/or Contact Information Verified.
Continues to meet strict Seal Membership Criteria.
Committed to Dispute Resolution and Mediation.
Vehicle #335558
is backed by SquareTrade's
Buyer Protection Policy - up to £ 5,000.00.
The criteria for SquareTrade Membership.
The SquareTrade Seal, along with other factors, can substantially lower the risks of buying online. The Seal is a guarantee of a successful transaction or of a Seller's performance.
Contact the Seller at: sw2ms@aol.com
You can apply to become a SquareTrade Seal Member. It is PistonHeads's largest community of trusted sellers - with 1.5 million listings every day proudly displaying the Seal.
Buyers will feel comfortable buying from you knowing that you are a verified seller and that you will resolve disputes.
This seller has provided PistonHeads with additional registration information to verify his authenticity. PistonHeadsreviews each PistonHeads Square Trade registration and requires additional proof of identity. In return, PistonHeads Square Trade members may request PistonHeads Motors protection programs.
Condition Guarantee by Seller
1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (Reference #335558) is qualified for Condition Guarantee by Seller benefits.
While the vast majority of vehicle transactions on PistonHeads Motors go smoothly, the Condition Guarantee by Seller Program provides you with added protection from PistonHeads when purchasing a passenger vehicle. Sellers participating in the Condition Guarantee by Seller Program have put forth their best efforts to build your trust. Vehicles covered by the Condition Guarantee by Seller include the following protection:
* The seller guarantees that the vehicle condition is as described.
* The seller agrees to work with you to ensure your satisfaction.
* Condition Guarantee by Seller provides you with additional protection from PistonHeads.
What happens if the seller does not respond after the payment is completed?
SquareTrade repeatedly tries to encourage the other party to respond to a case, but we cannot guarantee participation, since the process is completely voluntary. If the respondent does not reply within one week from when the case was initially filed, it is unlikely that you will receive a response and we will close the case. If we hear from the other party after the case closes, we reopen the case and notify you.
Currently, the seller has a £ 5,000.00 deposit in an PistonHeads and SquareTrade managed purchase protection account. Transactions with this PistonHeads seller are covered by purchase protection against fraud and description errors.
The insurer of this transaction is PistonHeads Ltd.
The account is managed by PistonHeads's SquareTrade center.
This transaction is supervised by PistonHeads's SafeHarbor team.
For buyers or sellers safety, if the owner of this account try to withdraw the
funds, he must wait at least 15 days from that day before the funds are
released and the purchase protection account is closed.
Should you need a refund for this transaction?
The insured amount of the transaction will be taken from the seller's purchase protection account and refunded to you. The refund is sent to your bank account, or by check or money order. The way you are refunded is at your discretion. You have 15 days from the above verification date to request the refund. Refund requests are processed within 3 days.
SquareTrade Buyer Protection Policy
This policy was last modified on Sunday, 13 January, 2008.
PistonHeads buyer Steve Renwick should feel confident purchasing from an PistonHeads Seal Member. Seal Member John Sampson has been verified by us and is committed to customer satisfaction and resolving disputes via mediation. Seal Member John Sampson is using Money-Gram Money Transfer as a payment method due the fact is unable to offer pick-up for the above vehicle. We would like to confirm that you are fully protected in the transaction with only in these cases: Payment sent but merchandise not received. No response to your messages. Payment sent but merchandise not received as the seller described it.
Selling Standards
Disclose pricing, shipping and return policies in a clear and accurate manner
Disclose contact information, if requested to do so by a buyer
Respond to disputes filed and participate in mediation, if buyer requests
Commits to meeting SquareTrade Standards.
Sincerely,
PistonHeads Customer Support
Please do not respond to this email with information regarding your case, as it can only be processed through the PistonHeads Customer Consultant website. If you have other questions, please Contact Us .
PistonHeads Recommends Seller John Sampson
Our records indicate that you recently interacted with John Sampson for the following transaction:
Item: 1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (335558)
PistonHeads was recently contacted by John Sampson (sw2ms@aol.com), regarding the above vehicle. The seller asked our help in the following problem:
- Help me show this buyer that I am a serious seller and he can use Money Gram as the payment method.
We verified the information of this seller and we strongly recommend him.
Our verification confirms the contact info of this seller and his ability to deliver the vehicle advertised on our marketplace. There is a limited group of sellers on PistonHeads which we can recommend and John Sampson is one of them.
At the request of the seller, PistonHeads is recording the transaction for vehicle 1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (335558) to insure its safety and integrity. Both the seller and the buyer are protected in case of fraud.
We will take full measures against any person that will break PistonHeads's rules.
Here are the situations suitable for a refund request :
- not receiving the vehicle; receiving a stolen vehicle; receiving a vehicle with an undisclosed outstanding finance against it; paying a deposit for a vehicle and not receiving the vehicle or a refund of the deposit; receiving a vehicle, but not receiving a title(V5 document)to it if and only if the Motor Vehicle Departments in both the buyer's and the seller's country require a title certificate for that vehicle.
In these cases you have to return the vehicle to the Seller prior to ask for your refund. If you do not pay the Seller by the required payment method, your refund request would be declined.
Important Usage Guidelines:
1. The contact information should only be used for resolving matters related to PistonHeads. Any other use is strictly prohibited.
2. This transaction is protected by PistonHeads services such as insurance, feedback and dispute resolution.
3. You may buy and sell with confidence in all transactions with this PistonHeads member.
4. Should you need to dispute this transaction, keep the transaction number at hand when contacting PistonHeads. Any complaints must be filed within 30 days from the verification date.
This e-mail message was sent to you from PistonHeads SafeHarbor team, with the full support of the SquareTrade center.
This transaction is insured by PistonHeads.You must pay this seller by MoneyGram because the seller's credibility and payment address has been verified by us.
Thank you for being part of the PistonHeads Community.
PistonHeads Safe Harbor
Investigations Team
Now,
I am putting all of this on here for you all to view in the hope that this (think of a number of 4 letter words) does not actually rip any one off.
I am genuinely lookig for an American muscle car and do have certain funds available, shame that there are people like this out there.
Look forward to keeping in contact with like minded people,
Regards,
Steve
Edited by PRED888OR on Tuesday 15th January 23:13
Hi,
I would say I have just been dealing with a scammer. He 'it' was selling a dodge charger for £3900 that was udkes of hazard painted etc. Now come on, for that price its too good to be true.Lets see if I can show you some of the e-mails that were sent, look for many spelling mistakes in his e-mails although I am not perfect lol! Oh, and to be called Mr Steve lol, what a slip up eh? Anyway, read on, hope this helps prevent any more rip off merchants.
(from e-mail address sw2ms@aol.com)
Hello,
I am selling this car for £3,900.00 including delivery anywhere in UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only reason is that I need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/view isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough PistonHeads. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that notification from PistonHeads!
Thanks
Hello,
The car doesn't need anything to pass the next mot .it runs and drives excellent .To start the transaction and delivery I need a completed shipping address like :
Name ,
Street address,
CIty
postal code .
As soon I receive your details I will start the transaction through piston heads and they will send you all the details .
thanks
Hello,
Thank you very much. Your details have been noted. Please let me know as soon as you receive the notification from PistonHeads to move forward. The shipping costs are included in the price.Please follow PistonHeads instructions and send me the payment confirmation so I will start shipping asap.
Thanks
John Sampson
Hello,
the vehicle will be delivered in enclosed truck .The shipping takes about 1-2 business day.
thanks
Hello Steve ,
Thank you very much for your email.The V5 document included current mot ,old receipts and fuel tank fitted to the car will be delivered in the same shipment with the car .The car runs on unleaded without any problem.The transaction is insured up to 5000 pounds so if you will not be satisfied with your purchase you may request a refund .As I told you the car runs and drives excellent , it was my dream car and I assure you that you will never be disppointed but unfortunately I need cash for a family emergency.4 I'm waiting for the payment confirmation to start shipping asap.
thanks
Hello Steve ,
Let me explain what you must do to transfer the payment with MoneyGram... First, you have to locate an MG office in your area... To do that go online at www.moneygram.com , click the "Find US" button, select United Kingdom as the country and enter ONLY your city and you will displayed a list of MG Offices in your area... Go to one of those offices with CASH and my details (only name and city required) and send the money to me! To send a MG money transfer, you will need to pay a fee... according to the payment invoice, that fee will be supported by both us... my half will be deducted from the total amount! Hope you will manage to complete the payment... If you do, email me back with the requested payment details! will wait to hear from you! The piuctures have been attached on this email.
Thank you!
John
Unfortunately I don't have more pictures but I assure you that there is no damage or kind of bad things on this car as I've kept it llike my baby .
Best regards,
John.
Dear Mr. Steve,
The car is will be ready to go tomorrow morning and I can deliver it at your workplace without any problem if you provide me the address .
Best regards and good night ,
John
Got this one after I said I wanted to transfer money direct into his persoanl account, thought of that after I started to suspect:
Hi Steve,
Unfortuntely I have to cancel the transaction and start looking for another buyer .
Thank you for your interest
John
As soon as I said I was going to buy the car I rceived this within a minute and on a Sunday!!
Your registered name is included to show this message originated from PistonHeads.com .
Congratulations, the vehicle is yours. Please Pay Now!
PistonHeads insured this transaction at seller's request.With the new Classified Ad format, a vehicle may be insured at the full price.Buy a vehicle confidently with PistonHeads Motors protection programs.
Thank you for your purchase.Please follow our instructions to complete the transaction safely. The total price for the vehicle below is £3,900.00
Reference # Transaction Title Qty. Price
335558 1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) 1 £3,900.00
Delivery and Insurance: Included
Total: £3,900.00
1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (Reference #335558)
Your Price:
£3,900.00
Date: Sunday, 13 January, 2008
Don't miss this opportunity!
Vehicle insurance policy:
The following vehicle is clear for PistonHeads's Vehicle insurance policy:
1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (Reference #335558)
Vehicle Purchase Protection
Seller's verified payment address:
John Sampson
6 Woodland Ter
Abertridwr, Caerphilly
CF83 4DQ
United Kingdom
The vehicle will be sent to:
We remind you that this PistonHeads member will pay for delivery costs
Buyer's delivery address:
Reference Number: 335558
Amount Insured: £3,900.00
Attention: Sending the payment by any other method will void this transaction and your right to refund.
Details and instructions for this transaction:
The payment has to be sent using Money-Gram money transfer. We would like to confirm to you again that our seller, John Sampson is a verified PistonHeads Seller. Your transaction with John Sampson is covered by Vehicle Purchase Protection and PistonHeads's Fraud Protection Plan (PistonHeads Safe Harbor) .
The Vehicle Purchase Protection program helps protect your vehicle purchase against fraud and material misrepresentation. After you will send the payment via Money-Gram please contact the Seller at this e-mail address with the payment details: sw2ms@aol.com
Money-Gram is a Partner with Buy Safe for PistonHeads Protection
Money-Gram Payment Systems, Inc. is a leading provider of International person-to-person money transfer. With more than 150 years experience and 245,000 Agent locations in over 200 countries and territories, Money-Gram is recognized for sending money quickly, reliably, and conveniently.
Pay your Seller using cash from your nearest Money-Gram Agent! To locate a Money-Gram Agent in your area please click the "Pay Now" button:
Because the fee to send a Money-Gram Money Transfer is high, compared to other methods of payment, we have arranged with the Seller to compensate for half of this fee (i.e., if it costs you £100 to send the payment, take £50 from the amount insured and send the balance).
Once the payment was sent, email the Seller the following payment details :
1) 8 digit Reference Number on file with Money-Gram:
2) Exact sender's name on file with Money-Gram:
3) Exact sender's address on file with Money-Gram:
4) Amount sent:
Then wait for the confirmation that the payment was received. Within 48 hours, you will receive the delivery information for your
vehicle from the Seller.
If you have any question, please Contact Us .
The Seller John Sampson is a registered PistonHeads Seller. Buy with confidence!
Free coverage up to £ 5,000.00 Guaranteed by PistonHeads
SquareTrade Buyer Protection Policy
This policy was last modified on Sunday, 13 January, 2008.
Please note: If the information regarding the payment from Money-Gram is not sent to the seller within the next 3 business days, we will assume your account is fraudulent and it will be suspended. We apologize for this inconvenience, but the purpose of this verification is to ensure that you will contact the Seller with all the information regarding the payment.
Purchase Protection and Refund:
Currently, the Seller has a £ 5,000.00 deposit in the PistonHeads managed purchase protection account. Transactions with this PistonHeads Seller are covered by purchase protection against fraud and description errors (i.e., PistonHeads Buyer Protection Program and PistonHeads Fraud Protection Program). For your safety, this account was locked today, for a period of 30 days. The Seller is unable to withdraw any money from it, within this period. If you will need a refund for this transaction, the insured amount will be taken from the Seller's purchase protection account and sent to you. The refund is sent to your bank account, or by check or money order. You will choose the refund method. You have 30 days from the above verification date to request a refund. Refund requests are processed within 3 days. The insurer of this transaction is PistonHeads.com. The account is managed by PistonHeads's Square Trade center and this transaction is supervised by PistonHeads's Safe Harbor team.
Fraud protection provides reimbursement in the following situations:
- not receiving the vehicle; receiving a stolen vehicle; receiving a vehicle with an undisclosed outstanding finance against it; paying a deposit for a vehicle and not receiving the vehicle or a refund of the deposit; receiving a vehicle, but not receiving a title(V5 document)to it if and only if the Motor Vehicle Departments in both the buyer's and the seller's country require a title certificate for that vehicle
If you did not pay the Seller by the required payment method(Money-Gram), your refund request would be declined.
Important Usage Guidelines:
The contact information should only be used for resolving matters related to PistonHeads. Any other use is strictly prohibited. This transaction is protected by PistonHeads services such as insurance, feedback and dispute resolution. You may buy and sell with confidence in all transactions with this PistonHeads member. If you need to dispute this transaction, keep the transaction number at hand when contacting PistonHeads. Any complaints must be filed within 30 days from the verification date.
Note: We sent a separate email to the Seller to confirm this sale
This e-mail was sent to you by PistonHeads's Safe Harbor team, with the full support of the Square Trade center. The Seller was informed about this transaction being started and is awaiting your payment. It is recommended to send the payment as soon as possible, as your purchase protection is valid for 30 days only. Should you encounter any problems with this transaction, please contact us. When contacting our support team, use the reply feature so that all previous correspondences are included in your email. Otherwise, we will not be able to process your request.
To ask for a refund, simply reply to this notification and enter in the subject line:
Refund request for PistonHeads Transaction #335558
Protect your PistonHeads account:
Thank you for being part of the PistonHeads community.
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PistonHeads
The UK's Online Marketplace
PistonHeads Purchase Protection Program
PistonHeads ID: John Sampson
A SquareTrade Seal Member in good standing
Identity and/or Contact Information Verified.
Continues to meet strict Seal Membership Criteria.
Committed to Dispute Resolution and Mediation.
Vehicle #335558
is backed by SquareTrade's
Buyer Protection Policy - up to £ 5,000.00.
The criteria for SquareTrade Membership.
The SquareTrade Seal, along with other factors, can substantially lower the risks of buying online. The Seal is a guarantee of a successful transaction or of a Seller's performance.
Contact the Seller at: sw2ms@aol.com
You can apply to become a SquareTrade Seal Member. It is PistonHeads's largest community of trusted sellers - with 1.5 million listings every day proudly displaying the Seal.
Buyers will feel comfortable buying from you knowing that you are a verified seller and that you will resolve disputes.
This seller has provided PistonHeads with additional registration information to verify his authenticity. PistonHeadsreviews each PistonHeads Square Trade registration and requires additional proof of identity. In return, PistonHeads Square Trade members may request PistonHeads Motors protection programs.
Condition Guarantee by Seller
1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (Reference #335558) is qualified for Condition Guarantee by Seller benefits.
While the vast majority of vehicle transactions on PistonHeads Motors go smoothly, the Condition Guarantee by Seller Program provides you with added protection from PistonHeads when purchasing a passenger vehicle. Sellers participating in the Condition Guarantee by Seller Program have put forth their best efforts to build your trust. Vehicles covered by the Condition Guarantee by Seller include the following protection:
* The seller guarantees that the vehicle condition is as described.
* The seller agrees to work with you to ensure your satisfaction.
* Condition Guarantee by Seller provides you with additional protection from PistonHeads.
What happens if the seller does not respond after the payment is completed?
SquareTrade repeatedly tries to encourage the other party to respond to a case, but we cannot guarantee participation, since the process is completely voluntary. If the respondent does not reply within one week from when the case was initially filed, it is unlikely that you will receive a response and we will close the case. If we hear from the other party after the case closes, we reopen the case and notify you.
Currently, the seller has a £ 5,000.00 deposit in an PistonHeads and SquareTrade managed purchase protection account. Transactions with this PistonHeads seller are covered by purchase protection against fraud and description errors.
The insurer of this transaction is PistonHeads Ltd.
The account is managed by PistonHeads's SquareTrade center.
This transaction is supervised by PistonHeads's SafeHarbor team.
For buyers or sellers safety, if the owner of this account try to withdraw the
funds, he must wait at least 15 days from that day before the funds are
released and the purchase protection account is closed.
Should you need a refund for this transaction?
The insured amount of the transaction will be taken from the seller's purchase protection account and refunded to you. The refund is sent to your bank account, or by check or money order. The way you are refunded is at your discretion. You have 15 days from the above verification date to request the refund. Refund requests are processed within 3 days.
SquareTrade Buyer Protection Policy
This policy was last modified on Sunday, 13 January, 2008.
PistonHeads buyer Steve Renwick should feel confident purchasing from an PistonHeads Seal Member. Seal Member John Sampson has been verified by us and is committed to customer satisfaction and resolving disputes via mediation. Seal Member John Sampson is using Money-Gram Money Transfer as a payment method due the fact is unable to offer pick-up for the above vehicle. We would like to confirm that you are fully protected in the transaction with only in these cases: Payment sent but merchandise not received. No response to your messages. Payment sent but merchandise not received as the seller described it.
Selling Standards
Disclose pricing, shipping and return policies in a clear and accurate manner
Disclose contact information, if requested to do so by a buyer
Respond to disputes filed and participate in mediation, if buyer requests
Commits to meeting SquareTrade Standards.
Sincerely,
PistonHeads Customer Support
Please do not respond to this email with information regarding your case, as it can only be processed through the PistonHeads Customer Consultant website. If you have other questions, please Contact Us .
PistonHeads Recommends Seller John Sampson
Our records indicate that you recently interacted with John Sampson for the following transaction:
Item: 1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (335558)
PistonHeads was recently contacted by John Sampson (sw2ms@aol.com), regarding the above vehicle. The seller asked our help in the following problem:
- Help me show this buyer that I am a serious seller and he can use Money Gram as the payment method.
We verified the information of this seller and we strongly recommend him.
Our verification confirms the contact info of this seller and his ability to deliver the vehicle advertised on our marketplace. There is a limited group of sellers on PistonHeads which we can recommend and John Sampson is one of them.
At the request of the seller, PistonHeads is recording the transaction for vehicle 1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (335558) to insure its safety and integrity. Both the seller and the buyer are protected in case of fraud.
We will take full measures against any person that will break PistonHeads's rules.
Here are the situations suitable for a refund request :
- not receiving the vehicle; receiving a stolen vehicle; receiving a vehicle with an undisclosed outstanding finance against it; paying a deposit for a vehicle and not receiving the vehicle or a refund of the deposit; receiving a vehicle, but not receiving a title(V5 document)to it if and only if the Motor Vehicle Departments in both the buyer's and the seller's country require a title certificate for that vehicle.
In these cases you have to return the vehicle to the Seller prior to ask for your refund. If you do not pay the Seller by the required payment method, your refund request would be declined.
Important Usage Guidelines:
1. The contact information should only be used for resolving matters related to PistonHeads. Any other use is strictly prohibited.
2. This transaction is protected by PistonHeads services such as insurance, feedback and dispute resolution.
3. You may buy and sell with confidence in all transactions with this PistonHeads member.
4. Should you need to dispute this transaction, keep the transaction number at hand when contacting PistonHeads. Any complaints must be filed within 30 days from the verification date.
This e-mail message was sent to you from PistonHeads SafeHarbor team, with the full support of the SquareTrade center.
This transaction is insured by PistonHeads.You must pay this seller by MoneyGram because the seller's credibility and payment address has been verified by us.
Thank you for being part of the PistonHeads Community.
PistonHeads Safe Harbor
Investigations Team
Now,
I am putting all of this on here for you all to view in the hope that this (think of a number of 4 letter words) does not actually rip any one off.
I am genuinely lookig for an American muscle car and do have certain funds available, shame that there are people like this out there.
Look forward to keeping in contact with like minded people,
Regards,
Steve
I would say I have just been dealing with a scammer. He 'it' was selling a dodge charger for £3900 that was udkes of hazard painted etc. Now come on, for that price its too good to be true.Lets see if I can show you some of the e-mails that were sent, look for many spelling mistakes in his e-mails although I am not perfect lol! Oh, and to be called Mr Steve lol, what a slip up eh? Anyway, read on, hope this helps prevent any more rip off merchants.
(from e-mail address sw2ms@aol.com)
Hello,
I am selling this car for £3,900.00 including delivery anywhere in UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only reason is that I need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/view isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough PistonHeads. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that notification from PistonHeads!
Thanks
Hello,
The car doesn't need anything to pass the next mot .it runs and drives excellent .To start the transaction and delivery I need a completed shipping address like :
Name ,
Street address,
CIty
postal code .
As soon I receive your details I will start the transaction through piston heads and they will send you all the details .
thanks
Hello,
Thank you very much. Your details have been noted. Please let me know as soon as you receive the notification from PistonHeads to move forward. The shipping costs are included in the price.Please follow PistonHeads instructions and send me the payment confirmation so I will start shipping asap.
Thanks
John Sampson
Hello,
the vehicle will be delivered in enclosed truck .The shipping takes about 1-2 business day.
thanks
Hello Steve ,
Thank you very much for your email.The V5 document included current mot ,old receipts and fuel tank fitted to the car will be delivered in the same shipment with the car .The car runs on unleaded without any problem.The transaction is insured up to 5000 pounds so if you will not be satisfied with your purchase you may request a refund .As I told you the car runs and drives excellent , it was my dream car and I assure you that you will never be disppointed but unfortunately I need cash for a family emergency.4 I'm waiting for the payment confirmation to start shipping asap.
thanks
Hello Steve ,
Let me explain what you must do to transfer the payment with MoneyGram... First, you have to locate an MG office in your area... To do that go online at www.moneygram.com , click the "Find US" button, select United Kingdom as the country and enter ONLY your city and you will displayed a list of MG Offices in your area... Go to one of those offices with CASH and my details (only name and city required) and send the money to me! To send a MG money transfer, you will need to pay a fee... according to the payment invoice, that fee will be supported by both us... my half will be deducted from the total amount! Hope you will manage to complete the payment... If you do, email me back with the requested payment details! will wait to hear from you! The piuctures have been attached on this email.
Thank you!
John
Unfortunately I don't have more pictures but I assure you that there is no damage or kind of bad things on this car as I've kept it llike my baby .
Best regards,
John.
Dear Mr. Steve,
The car is will be ready to go tomorrow morning and I can deliver it at your workplace without any problem if you provide me the address .
Best regards and good night ,
John
Got this one after I said I wanted to transfer money direct into his persoanl account, thought of that after I started to suspect:
Hi Steve,
Unfortuntely I have to cancel the transaction and start looking for another buyer .
Thank you for your interest
John
As soon as I said I was going to buy the car I rceived this within a minute and on a Sunday!!
Your registered name is included to show this message originated from PistonHeads.com .
Congratulations, the vehicle is yours. Please Pay Now!
PistonHeads insured this transaction at seller's request.With the new Classified Ad format, a vehicle may be insured at the full price.Buy a vehicle confidently with PistonHeads Motors protection programs.
Thank you for your purchase.Please follow our instructions to complete the transaction safely. The total price for the vehicle below is £3,900.00
Reference # Transaction Title Qty. Price
335558 1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) 1 £3,900.00
Delivery and Insurance: Included
Total: £3,900.00
1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (Reference #335558)
Your Price:
£3,900.00
Date: Sunday, 13 January, 2008
Don't miss this opportunity!
Vehicle insurance policy:
The following vehicle is clear for PistonHeads's Vehicle insurance policy:
1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (Reference #335558)
Vehicle Purchase Protection
Seller's verified payment address:
John Sampson
6 Woodland Ter
Abertridwr, Caerphilly
CF83 4DQ
United Kingdom
The vehicle will be sent to:
We remind you that this PistonHeads member will pay for delivery costs
Buyer's delivery address:
- ###########
- ###########
- ###########
- ###########
Reference Number: 335558
Amount Insured: £3,900.00
Attention: Sending the payment by any other method will void this transaction and your right to refund.
Details and instructions for this transaction:
The payment has to be sent using Money-Gram money transfer. We would like to confirm to you again that our seller, John Sampson is a verified PistonHeads Seller. Your transaction with John Sampson is covered by Vehicle Purchase Protection and PistonHeads's Fraud Protection Plan (PistonHeads Safe Harbor) .
The Vehicle Purchase Protection program helps protect your vehicle purchase against fraud and material misrepresentation. After you will send the payment via Money-Gram please contact the Seller at this e-mail address with the payment details: sw2ms@aol.com
Money-Gram is a Partner with Buy Safe for PistonHeads Protection
Money-Gram Payment Systems, Inc. is a leading provider of International person-to-person money transfer. With more than 150 years experience and 245,000 Agent locations in over 200 countries and territories, Money-Gram is recognized for sending money quickly, reliably, and conveniently.
Pay your Seller using cash from your nearest Money-Gram Agent! To locate a Money-Gram Agent in your area please click the "Pay Now" button:
Because the fee to send a Money-Gram Money Transfer is high, compared to other methods of payment, we have arranged with the Seller to compensate for half of this fee (i.e., if it costs you £100 to send the payment, take £50 from the amount insured and send the balance).
Once the payment was sent, email the Seller the following payment details :
1) 8 digit Reference Number on file with Money-Gram:
2) Exact sender's name on file with Money-Gram:
3) Exact sender's address on file with Money-Gram:
4) Amount sent:
Then wait for the confirmation that the payment was received. Within 48 hours, you will receive the delivery information for your
vehicle from the Seller.
If you have any question, please Contact Us .
The Seller John Sampson is a registered PistonHeads Seller. Buy with confidence!
Free coverage up to £ 5,000.00 Guaranteed by PistonHeads
SquareTrade Buyer Protection Policy
This policy was last modified on Sunday, 13 January, 2008.
Please note: If the information regarding the payment from Money-Gram is not sent to the seller within the next 3 business days, we will assume your account is fraudulent and it will be suspended. We apologize for this inconvenience, but the purpose of this verification is to ensure that you will contact the Seller with all the information regarding the payment.
Purchase Protection and Refund:
Currently, the Seller has a £ 5,000.00 deposit in the PistonHeads managed purchase protection account. Transactions with this PistonHeads Seller are covered by purchase protection against fraud and description errors (i.e., PistonHeads Buyer Protection Program and PistonHeads Fraud Protection Program). For your safety, this account was locked today, for a period of 30 days. The Seller is unable to withdraw any money from it, within this period. If you will need a refund for this transaction, the insured amount will be taken from the Seller's purchase protection account and sent to you. The refund is sent to your bank account, or by check or money order. You will choose the refund method. You have 30 days from the above verification date to request a refund. Refund requests are processed within 3 days. The insurer of this transaction is PistonHeads.com. The account is managed by PistonHeads's Square Trade center and this transaction is supervised by PistonHeads's Safe Harbor team.
Fraud protection provides reimbursement in the following situations:
- not receiving the vehicle; receiving a stolen vehicle; receiving a vehicle with an undisclosed outstanding finance against it; paying a deposit for a vehicle and not receiving the vehicle or a refund of the deposit; receiving a vehicle, but not receiving a title(V5 document)to it if and only if the Motor Vehicle Departments in both the buyer's and the seller's country require a title certificate for that vehicle
If you did not pay the Seller by the required payment method(Money-Gram), your refund request would be declined.
Important Usage Guidelines:
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PistonHeads ID: John Sampson
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Identity and/or Contact Information Verified.
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Committed to Dispute Resolution and Mediation.
Vehicle #335558
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1968 DODGE CHARGER (2004) (Reference #335558) is qualified for Condition Guarantee by Seller benefits.
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Now,
I am putting all of this on here for you all to view in the hope that this (think of a number of 4 letter words) does not actually rip any one off.
I am genuinely lookig for an American muscle car and do have certain funds available, shame that there are people like this out there.
Look forward to keeping in contact with like minded people,
Regards,
Steve
Edited by PRED888OR on Tuesday 15th January 23:16
I e-mailed a guy about a polo for my girlfriend, car pictures looked sound but the price a little cheap but it was a private sale so thought it was just an inexperienced seller. Got an e mail back saying that he was in italy and the car was there with him etc and that i wouldnt be able to view it. I sent one back sayng f**k off you lying scumbag, to which i recieved no reply.It seems to be the in thing at the minute but realistically you have to be a bit of a muppet to fall for them or have money to burn.
They are a bunch of f*cking t0ssers, who spoilt it for the rest.
They need to be taken to one side and have their f*cking hands severed, so that they will not be able to type that sort of crap ever again.....
Sorry, but it p1sses me off that these w*nkers have nothing better to do, and then people like us are working hard, trying to earn an honest living....
They need to be taken to one side and have their f*cking hands severed, so that they will not be able to type that sort of crap ever again.....
Sorry, but it p1sses me off that these w*nkers have nothing better to do, and then people like us are working hard, trying to earn an honest living....
if you have any ads that are definately scammers, www.419eater.com is always happy to hear about them. plenty of people on there will frustrate the hell out of the scammers, playing them along, and sending them down the western union office to continually try to pick up payments that don't exist etc.
It doesn't stop these muppets but its nice to know you can piss them off too.
It doesn't stop these muppets but its nice to know you can piss them off too.
PRED888OR said:
Hi,
I would say I have just been dealing with a scammer......... look for many spelling mistakes in his e-mails although I am not perfect lol!
Flippin' 'eck mate, if poor spelling was enough to put folk off doing a deal very few cars would be sold on Pistonheads, some of the spelling in adverts that I have no reason to believe are anything other than genuine is truly appalling.I would say I have just been dealing with a scammer......... look for many spelling mistakes in his e-mails although I am not perfect lol!
(This is slightly tongue-in-cheek, I do get your point)
KTiM said:
PRED888OR said:
Hi,
I would say I have just been dealing with a scammer......... look for many spelling mistakes in his e-mails although I am not perfect lol!
Flippin' 'eck mate, if poor spelling was enough to put folk off doing a deal very few cars would be sold on Pistonheads, some of the spelling in adverts that I have no reason to believe are anything other than genuine is truly appalling.I would say I have just been dealing with a scammer......... look for many spelling mistakes in his e-mails although I am not perfect lol!
(This is slightly tongue-in-cheek, I do get your point)
JJ
I have seen these type of ads on autotrader just recently too. Says car is mint under price but can not take phone calls only email. Once you email they direct you to you global money to pay. Its all scam it started on ebay. If you do get any emails which are usually hotmail or gmail I use the id and try to log onto the account using all sorts of passwords resulting in the account being locked. It slows them down a bit I guess.
clubsport said:
laser avant s2 said:
Havent been looking to buy recently but a few months back there were loads of e mail contact only ads which were duplicates from elsewhere ie Auto Trader etc that involved the ar5s who placed them e mailing you back saying "Hello my friend the car is with me in Italy as i moved here for work" etc etc notified the admin after i spotted the 2nd ad by the same losser.
I received that response when I enquired about an Audi A2 Tdi on pistonheads last week 
(oh the shame!...it wasn't for me honest
)RUSSELLM said:
Dodgey_Rog said:
Apparently they are nasty b*stards and shouldn't antagonised
I haven't heard or seen anything to back this up. I go out of my way to nause & abuse them, I've had them on the phone before when I've been selling cars, and they end up putting the phone down on me On a lighter note, there was a thread a while back from the guy who used to feed them false information like, "the person who buys this car needs to like floppy dogs c*ck, do you like floppy dogs c*ck?" He would then get this guy emailing back in broken english saying he loved it. I forget the company name as he has a section on his website, but there's 419scammers.com or something that use it as a sport.
These guys need as much humiliation as possible in my opinion.
gopher cough said:
if you have any ads that are definately scammers, www.419eater.com is always happy to hear about them. plenty of people on there will frustrate the hell out of the scammers, playing them along, and sending them down the western union office to continually try to pick up payments that don't exist etc.
It doesn't stop these muppets but its nice to know you can piss them off too.
Very easy to lose a morning (or more) reading that site....It doesn't stop these muppets but its nice to know you can piss them off too.
My favourite (because of the photograph) is the "Steve Ebe" story in which 419Eater assumes the name of Plunder Myknuts, who is head of an information technology company, and he asks the scammer (Steve Ebe) to prove his identity by writing out a message as dictated by Mr Myknuts, and have himself photographed.
This is what the resulting photograph looked like.....
http://www.419eater.com/images/steve_ebe4.jpg
Meeja said:
gopher cough said:
if you have any ads that are definately scammers, www.419eater.com is always happy to hear about them. plenty of people on there will frustrate the hell out of the scammers, playing them along, and sending them down the western union office to continually try to pick up payments that don't exist etc.
It doesn't stop these muppets but its nice to know you can piss them off too.
Very easy to lose a morning (or more) reading that site....It doesn't stop these muppets but its nice to know you can piss them off too.
My favourite (because of the photograph) is the "Steve Ebe" story in which 419Eater assumes the name of Plunder Myknuts, who is head of an information technology company, and he asks the scammer (Steve Ebe) to prove his identity by writing out a message as dictated by Mr Myknuts, and have himself photographed.
This is what the resulting photograph looked like.....
http://www.419eater.com/images/steve_ebe4.jpg
http://www.419eater.com/html/williams_smith.htm
...page 2 is where you actually see the carving for the first time.
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