RE: Lotus Elise SC
Discussion
dinkel said:
Would a 2.3 Ford Duratec fit?
Yes Dink those fit too...they can pump out 300hp in tuning NA here some lower tuned versions...http://www.komo-tec.com/product_info.php/products_...
GTRene
Eaton rootes-type blower, no intercooler... 8000 rpm.... yup nice one Lotus.
Hopefully they are targeting the right market (phrases like 'aren't the kind of hardcore enthusiast' - I mean, who the
buys a bloody Elise of any type (including VXs) unless they're an enthusiast???) of cruisers and posers, who aren't likely to bung one on a rolling road and measure the power. Because I bet £1 (all I've got at the moment, sorry 
) that it won't produce anything like that in the real world more than once every minute or so.
I had a bigger Eaton blower on my 993 without an intercooler and, yes, they do work - with a safe low boost limit of 6-7 psi you can keep the standard compression and not use an intercooler. But you need extra fuel and management to retard ignition if inlet temps get too high. And, of course, the Eaton chargers are inefficient and bung a fair amount of the energy into heating the intake charge.
All this meant that the car was quick as hell in the winter and on cold, crisp mornings. Hot days? Nope. Track days? Nope. Repeated hard acceleration? First blast, fast. Second, a bit slower. Third, heat soak has the intake temps getting high enough to retard the ignition.
Of course, by 'nope' here I mean 'peak power' as expected... the car will still have nice low-down torque aplenty compared to its naturally aspirated sister (the Elise is a bird, right?
) but with no cooler, I bet it'll struggle to hold a steady 217 bhp or whatever it was rated at on a rolling road, or a track, or during the summer. The difference in performance with my supercharged 993 was noticeable from the driver's seat, let alone the dyno.
Intercooled Exige owners also know all about heat soak and intercooling. How Lotus think they can get away with fitting a mid-engined car without an intercooler and an Eaton blower... then claiming high peak power at high revs... without someone buying one, bunging it on the rolling road and then watching the sustained power drop like a stone... let's hope they only sell them to hairdressers eh?
(and no, I'm not an Elise hater, I have one of the aforementioned sisters (though the weird, unfashionable one) and love them all)
Hopefully they are targeting the right market (phrases like 'aren't the kind of hardcore enthusiast' - I mean, who the
buys a bloody Elise of any type (including VXs) unless they're an enthusiast???) of cruisers and posers, who aren't likely to bung one on a rolling road and measure the power. Because I bet £1 (all I've got at the moment, sorry ) that it won't produce anything like that in the real world more than once every minute or so.I had a bigger Eaton blower on my 993 without an intercooler and, yes, they do work - with a safe low boost limit of 6-7 psi you can keep the standard compression and not use an intercooler. But you need extra fuel and management to retard ignition if inlet temps get too high. And, of course, the Eaton chargers are inefficient and bung a fair amount of the energy into heating the intake charge.
All this meant that the car was quick as hell in the winter and on cold, crisp mornings. Hot days? Nope. Track days? Nope. Repeated hard acceleration? First blast, fast. Second, a bit slower. Third, heat soak has the intake temps getting high enough to retard the ignition.
Of course, by 'nope' here I mean 'peak power' as expected... the car will still have nice low-down torque aplenty compared to its naturally aspirated sister (the Elise is a bird, right?
) but with no cooler, I bet it'll struggle to hold a steady 217 bhp or whatever it was rated at on a rolling road, or a track, or during the summer. The difference in performance with my supercharged 993 was noticeable from the driver's seat, let alone the dyno.Intercooled Exige owners also know all about heat soak and intercooling. How Lotus think they can get away with fitting a mid-engined car without an intercooler and an Eaton blower... then claiming high peak power at high revs... without someone buying one, bunging it on the rolling road and then watching the sustained power drop like a stone... let's hope they only sell them to hairdressers eh?
(and no, I'm not an Elise hater, I have one of the aforementioned sisters (though the weird, unfashionable one) and love them all)
It's now officially time for the elise to stop being called a "lightweight sportscar"
It's still a sportscar and bloody brilliant but saftey legislation has killed off the lightweight car.
If you really want lightweight you have to look at the Kit Car industry, they aren't constrained by the same legislation.
It's still a sportscar and bloody brilliant but saftey legislation has killed off the lightweight car.
If you really want lightweight you have to look at the Kit Car industry, they aren't constrained by the same legislation.
clanger said:
I saw the light years ago - every, and I mean every, Lotus is a total revelation - they run rings round stupidly priced super?cars on trackdays - love 'em to bits
Thing is though, I suspect an S1 Sport-190 (or Exige) would run rings around this in much the same way that this would run rings around a supercar... at least until the S190/Exige broke down. kambites said:
clanger said:
I saw the light years ago - every, and I mean every, Lotus is a total revelation - they run rings round stupidly priced super?cars on trackdays - love 'em to bits
Thing is though, I suspect an S1 Sport-190 (or Exige) would run rings around this in much the same way that this would run rings around a supercar... at least until the S190/Exige broke down. 
briSk said:
anyway more interesting stuff...it's a completely different 'conversion' to the exige one...
that seems like a lot of effort just to get rear visibility.. so what's the story?
It's not just a question of giving rear visibility. The Exige's intercooler sits above the engine; in an Elise's body, that would be outside the bodywork. that seems like a lot of effort just to get rear visibility.. so what's the story?
I own an Exige S and i love it. To drive on A and B roads the motor is far easier to make quick progress than my earlier non supercharged car. An Elise with the top down and the same motor must be a good feeling.....BUT my car and the new Elise SC are way too heavy i am afraid. I have the feeling Lotus have stopped trying. Maybe due to cost or budgetry reasons but they seem not to try anymore to keep an eye on weight. There were so many good simple ideas on the original S1 that kept it affordable and light, now it just seems industry standard.
And bear one thing in mind, the new Fiat 500 is a four seat steel unibody hatchback, with airbags, aircon etc and weighs 865kg!!!!!!!!
http://www.fiat.co.uk/Showroom/Comparator.aspx?id=...
There is something wrong when our stripped out alluminium and GRP two seaters are heavier than fully equipped steel bodied four seaters......
And bear one thing in mind, the new Fiat 500 is a four seat steel unibody hatchback, with airbags, aircon etc and weighs 865kg!!!!!!!!
http://www.fiat.co.uk/Showroom/Comparator.aspx?id=...
There is something wrong when our stripped out alluminium and GRP two seaters are heavier than fully equipped steel bodied four seaters......
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