RE: Tygan Speedster

[zaktoo]

All replicas are - those that replicate not-very-special cars like the 356 are even moreso.

[briSk]

Miguel said:

This is the Yank version, which is well priced:

http://www.specialtyauto.com/PORSCHE.htm

Miguel

good lord! the 'flared fender' model is hideous. dreadful website aside, the normal looking model is pretty good and i agree the price seems okay.

[Davi]

odyssey2200 said:

Davi said:

Miguel said:

odyssey2200 said:

Took the PoGO for a blast today

Roof down (heater on) sun shining!

I'd never heard of PGO before, but like you, I also prefer that 356 replicas be mid-engined and contain no VW parts. This is the Yank version, which is well priced:

http://www.specialtyauto.com/PORSCHE.htm

Miguel

Strange that you shun a Ferrari that has anything less than Ferrari parts beneath it, yet when a true replica comes along - something that really is very, very close to the original due to the almost identical design of the underpinnings, you then want your replica to have no parts fitted that could be considered replicating the original.

IMHO I do not like Replias as such.

They are just ..too phoney IYKWIM.

And paying £36000 for a car built from patern engine parts and bits of old beetle is just silly.

The PGO is in the style of the 365 but does not try to be something which it is not too much.

Chesil/Tygan will always have the Kit car stigma and there will be those who will look upon you as the person who could not afford a real one. A if you will.

IMHo the PGO Cevennes is in the style of a 356 but not trying to fool anyone ( like the new Mini and Fiat 500).
It has better mechanicals, New mechanicals, better equipment and is cheaper.

Not having an aircooled VW engine is an advantage as far as I am concerned as I do not want to have a fake anything.

The comment was aimed at Miguel, as I found his comments amusing when compared to those he made against Ferrari reps.

You are right, there will always be those who look at you and think you can't afford the original, personally I never credit such people with a level of intelligence worth responding to! My only bugbear with the Tygan is the lack of self build option - I give 1000% more credit to anyone that builds their own car than any ponce with some cash that blows it on someone else's creation, before trying to use as some form of platform for self proclamation of superiority!

The more I look at the PGO, the more I like it - it has a style that I used on my custom beetles and works excellently. I'd like one of each, I really enjoy the slightly pant staining traits of the poorly laid out original, but if you aren't going for the original looks, then there is no reason to try to recreate those aspects.

[Mon Ami Mate]

nomis said:

Mon Ami Mate said:

the only part kept from a donor car is the spine, which is shortened and made corrosion resistant. The only reason we use these is that it enables us to use an age-related plate. Absolutely everything else is brand new and purpose-engineered.

Actually, if you only use one part and it is modified, it seems you cannot use an age related plate according to the DVLA: -

"Kit Conversions

This is where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle or old parts are added to a kit comprising a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque bodyshell. The general appearance of the vehicle will change and result in a revised description on the registration certificate.

A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major components are used. If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned. The mark will be based on the age of the donor vehicle. An ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle.

Where there are insufficient parts from a donor vehicle or in cases where the original registration mark is unknown, an ESVA, SVA or MSVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated."

In the case of Kit Cars - they are only allowed to use a current reg: -

"Kit Cars

Where all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by the manufacturer. Subject to the provision of satisfactory receipts and a certificate of newness these vehicles will be registered under a current registration mark.

Kit cars which have been built using not more than one reconditioned component will also be registered under a current mark. This is subject to the provision of satisfactory evidence that the component has been reconditioned to an "as new" standard. An ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will be required."

All take from the DVLA site - http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSell...

So it would seem Chesil were correct and you are unable to use a classic plate?

We don't make kit cars - I believe this is where the loophole exists. All I know is that our cars go out on age related plates and that the only part we use from a donor car is the spine with the chassis number intact.

[Mon Ami Mate]

odyssey2200 said:

IMHO I do not like Replias as such.

They are just ..too phoney IYKWIM.

And paying £36000 for a car built from patern engine parts and bits of old beetle is just silly.

The PGO is in the style of the 365 but does not try to be something which it is not too much.

Chesil/Tygan will always have the Kit car stigma and there will be those who will look upon you as the person who could not afford a real one. A if you will.

IMHo the PGO Cevennes is in the style of a 356 but not trying to fool anyone ( like the new Mini and Fiat 500).
It has better mechanicals, New mechanicals, better equipment and is cheaper.

Not having an aircooled VW engine is an advantage as far as I am concerned as I do not want to have a fake anything.

It isn't built from pattern engine parts.

It isn't built from bits of Beetle.

Our cars are not trying to be something they are not - they are what they are, we have invested heavily in the business to make them greatly superior to what Chesil made, and we are very proud of them.

We don't make kit cars, so I don't understand your stigma problem. I'm sure your PGO is a wonderful car, I don't see it as anything like competition for our cars. I certainly don't agree that it is "better", any more than apples are better than oranges. Do people perceive you to be a loser because you aren't driving a ferrari or a Porsche?

[ricola]

hairy said:

hairy said:

heard of a bloke running an turbo impreza motor in one of these, was described as "frightening"

That was me, along with Porsche running gear, it was also my daily car for 5 years...

think you took my mate Paul out in it a few years ago, he working for gary shovel hands building speedsters in redditch.
cant be many cars like that out there!!!

Yes, I know Paul & Gary, back to working together on speedsters in Birmingham now.

The only new Chesils I have seen with Porsche badging were those being resold by others, the ones at Canary Wharf were shown by Studio G..

I went the modern mechanicals under classic body route as IMHO any modifications over period styling looks wrong and out of character to the shape. In the best cases it will probably date badly.
The PGO classic one is OK, but I'm not keen on the restyled Cevennes, it just doesn't go far enough and keeps too many of the shortcomings of the original car.

Rich

Edited by ricola on Thursday 6th March 13:59

[odyssey2200]

odyssey2200 said:

IMHO I do not like Replias as such.

They are just ..too phoney IYKWIM.

And paying £36000 for a car built from patern engine parts and bits of old beetle is just silly.

The PGO is in the style of the 365 but does not try to be something which it is not too much.

Chesil/Tygan will always have the Kit car stigma and there will be those who will look upon you as the person who could not afford a real one. A if you will.

IMHo the PGO Cevennes is in the style of a 356 but not trying to fool anyone ( like the new Mini and Fiat 500).
It has better mechanicals, New mechanicals, better equipment and is cheaper.

Not having an aircooled VW engine is an advantage as far as I am concerned as I do not want to have a fake anything.

Mon Ami Mate said:

It isn't built from pattern engine parts.

It isn't built from bits of Beetle.

Just where do you get your engines from then?
You have already stated on here that you use the Beetle Spine in order to keep the VIN.

Mon Ami Mate said:

Our cars are not trying to be something they are not - they are what they are,

they are trying to be a Porsche
If that is not true, why do you have PORSCHE riten on the front and rear?
You have this on the pics on the OP and you had it on the cars at the Classic Car show. (but its not trying to be a porsche..right? )

Mon Ami Mate said:

We don't make kit cars, so I don't understand your stigma problem. I'm sure your PGO is a wonderful car, I don't see it as anything like competition for our cars. I certainly don't agree that it is "better", any more than apples are better than oranges. Do people perceive you to be a loser because you aren't driving a ferrari or a Porsche?

No but I don't right Ferrari on a car that isn't in the hope people will beleive that it is

Edited by odyssey2200 on Thursday 6th March 14:12

[Fetchez la vache]

zaktoo said:

All replicas are - those that replicate not-very-special cars like the 356 are even moreso.

Are you 6?

[zaktoo]

Fetchez la vache said:

zaktoo said:

All replicas are - those that replicate not-very-special cars like the 356 are even moreso.

Are you 6?

Why, is that your thing?

[Mon Ami Mate]

odyssey2200 said:

Just where do you get your engines from then?
You have already stated on here that you use the Beetle Spine in order to keep the VIN.

New engines are still made in Brazil and South Africa. We buy them and give them to Arnie Levics, who re-engineers them for us. Our 2.0l twin carb makes about 125bhp. The engines are brand new and completely re-engineered. As I have said, we use the spine so that we can get the age related plate. This is the only part we take from a donor car, and we only do it for that reason. The new 550 Spyder replica we are finalising has a completely new spaceframe chassis. It's just wrong to suggest that the car is somehow made from old Beetle bits.

odyssey2200 said:

they are trying to be a Porsche
If that is not true, why do you have PORSCHE riten on the front and rear?
You have this on the pics on the OP and you had it on the cars at the Classic Car show. (but its not trying to be a porsche..right? )

We don't sell cars with Porsche badges. Once the car is privately owned, the owner invariably chooses to put Porsche badges on it. We are rather proud of our own badge and would prefer to see it used!

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Thursday 6th March 14:52

[odyssey2200]

Mon Ami Mate said:

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odyssey2200 said:

they are trying to be a Porsche
If that is not true, why do you have PORSCHE riten on the front and rear?
You have this on the pics on the OP and you had it on the cars at the Classic Car show. (but its not trying to be a porsche..right? )

We don't sell cars with Porsche badges. Once the car is privately owned, the owner invariably chooses to put Porsche badges on it. We are rather proud of our own badge and would prefer to see it used!

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Thursday 6th March 14:52

So why were your cars, on sale on your stand at the Classic car show ath the NEC with Porsche badges on?
I am very suprised that Porsche haven't jumped on you by now!

[Mon Ami Mate]

odyssey2200 said:

Mon Ami Mate said:

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odyssey2200 said:

they are trying to be a Porsche
If that is not true, why do you have PORSCHE riten on the front and rear?
You have this on the pics on the OP and you had it on the cars at the Classic Car show. (but its not trying to be a porsche..right? )

We don't sell cars with Porsche badges. Once the car is privately owned, the owner invariably chooses to put Porsche badges on it. We are rather proud of our own badge and would prefer to see it used!

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Thursday 6th March 14:52

So why were your cars, on sale on your stand at the Classic car show ath the NEC with Porsche badges on?
I am very suprised that Porsche haven't jumped on you by now!

Because we had sold them all to private customers before the show and then the custoemrs had lent them back to us for the exhibition. We don't have lots of cars sitting around - we make cars to order. Every car is specced to the customer's personal requirements. This includes things like the paint colour - which we will match up to anything the customer wants - and the interior.

Porsche have actually been very supportive of us.

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Thursday 6th March 16:26

[Mon Ami Mate]

odyssey2200 said:

Mon Ami Mate said:

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odyssey2200 said:

they are trying to be a Porsche
If that is not true, why do you have PORSCHE riten on the front and rear?
You have this on the pics on the OP and you had it on the cars at the Classic Car show. (but its not trying to be a porsche..right? )

We don't sell cars with Porsche badges. Once the car is privately owned, the owner invariably chooses to put Porsche badges on it. We are rather proud of our own badge and would prefer to see it used!

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Thursday 6th March 14:52

So why were your cars, on sale on your stand at the Classic car show ath the NEC with Porsche badges on?
I am very suprised that Porsche haven't jumped on you by now!

Because we had sold them all to private customers before the show and then the custoemrs had lent them back to us for the exhibition. We don't have lots of cars sitting around - we make cars to order. Every car is specced to the customer's personal requirements. This includes things like the paint colour - which we will match up to anything the customer wants - and the interior.

Porsche have actually been very supportive of us.

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Thursday 6th March 16:28

[odyssey2200]

Mon Ami Mate said:

odyssey2200 said:

Mon Ami Mate said:

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odyssey2200 said:

they are trying to be a Porsche
If that is not true, why do you have PORSCHE riten on the front and rear?
You have this on the pics on the OP and you had it on the cars at the Classic Car show. (but its not trying to be a porsche..right? )

We don't sell cars with Porsche badges. Once the car is privately owned, the owner invariably chooses to put Porsche badges on it. We are rather proud of our own badge and would prefer to see it used!

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Thursday 6th March 14:52

So why were your cars, on sale on your stand at the Classic car show ath the NEC with Porsche badges on?
I am very suprised that Porsche haven't jumped on you by now!

Because we had sold them all to private customers before the show and then the custoemrs had lent them back to us for the exhibition. We don't have lots of cars sitting around - we make cars to order. Every car is specced to the customer's personal requirements. This includes things like the paint colour - which we will match up to anything the customer wants - and the interior.

So it would appear that 100% of your customers put Porsche badges on their cars to try to be something they are not and fool people into beleivingthey actually drive a classic Porsche.

Even the cars in the OP, which I assume are at your premisis, and prior to celivery, have a Porsche Badge so you are complicit in this faking!!

[Davi]

odyssey2200 said:

they are trying to be a Porsche
If that is not true, why do you have PORSCHE riten on the front and rear?
You have this on the pics on the OP and you had it on the cars at the Classic Car show. (but its not trying to be a porsche..right? )

I really don't understand the animosity toward putting the badges on replicas - putting the badges on something that is nothing like the original, that I can see as being a bit stupid, but really, WTF is the problem if you are trying to build a REPLICA of something? It's fairly obvious that you are trying to replicate the car by virtue of the fact it looks nigh on identical, often actually moulded from an original. Why do people harbour such ill feelings towards people that want to make their homage to the original as accurate as possible?

I can only assume it's because they are annoyed that the owner hasn't spent the appropriate amount of cash on an original, and that people dislike this as they can't afford an original but have neither the skill or the patience to build a recreation.

[Mon Ami Mate]

odyssey2200 said:

Mon Ami Mate said:

odyssey2200 said:

Mon Ami Mate said:

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odyssey2200 said:

they are trying to be a Porsche
If that is not true, why do you have PORSCHE riten on the front and rear?
You have this on the pics on the OP and you had it on the cars at the Classic Car show. (but its not trying to be a porsche..right? )

We don't sell cars with Porsche badges. Once the car is privately owned, the owner invariably chooses to put Porsche badges on it. We are rather proud of our own badge and would prefer to see it used!

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Thursday 6th March 14:52

So why were your cars, on sale on your stand at the Classic car show ath the NEC with Porsche badges on?
I am very suprised that Porsche haven't jumped on you by now!

Because we had sold them all to private customers before the show and then the custoemrs had lent them back to us for the exhibition. We don't have lots of cars sitting around - we make cars to order. Every car is specced to the customer's personal requirements. This includes things like the paint colour - which we will match up to anything the customer wants - and the interior.

So it would appear that 100% of your customers put Porsche badges on their cars to try to be something they are not and fool people into beleivingthey actually drive a classic Porsche.

Even the cars in the OP, which I assume are at your premisis, and prior to celivery, have a Porsche Badge so you are complicit in this faking!!

You mean you don't recognise our premises? I thought they might stick in your mind, after you had taken the trouble to drive there unannounced and apparently disappointed by our staff and our cars.

You clearly have an axe to grind. I'm sorry that, for whatever reason, you don't like our products. Not everybody is the same. Thank God.

[briSk]

i don't like the badging thing.. but i do wish odyssey would pull his neck in a bit.

okay so you thought you weren't treated all that well by the firm before it tried to improve itself. you chose the competitor. great. can we move on now please?

and whilst i wouldn't choose the pgo - they do look quite good in reality - pictures don't do them justice - they're no where near as 'Copen' in reality (far from it).

[odyssey2200]

Davi said:

odyssey2200 said:

they are trying to be a Porsche
If that is not true, why do you have PORSCHE riten on the front and rear?
You have this on the pics on the OP and you had it on the cars at the Classic Car show. (but its not trying to be a porsche..right? )

I really don't understand the animosity toward putting the badges on replicas - putting the badges on something that is nothing like the original, that I can see as being a bit stupid, but really, WTF is the problem if you are trying to build a REPLICA of something? It's fairly obvious that you are trying to replicate the car by virtue of the fact it looks nigh on identical, often actually moulded from an original. Why do people harbour such ill feelings towards people that want to make their homage to the original as accurate as possible?

I can only assume it's because they are annoyed that the owner hasn't spent the appropriate amount of cash on an original, and that people dislike this as they can't afford an original but have neither the skill or the patience to build a recreation.

I have the skills equipment and funds to build a replica if I wanted but choose not to.

IMHO its just wrong.
Like buying a fake Rolex.

[Mon Ami Mate]

odyssey2200 said:

IMHO its just wrong.
Like buying a fake Rolex.

As I have said, I'd prefer it if customers left our badge on our cars, but it's their decision and nothing to do with us. If you put Peugeot badges on your car would it be PGO's fault?

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Thursday 6th March 16:45

[odyssey2200]

Mon Ami Mate said:

odyssey2200 said:

IMHO its just wrong.
Like buying a fake Rolex.

As I have said, I'd prefer it if customers left our badge on our cars, but it's their decision and nothing to do with us. If you put Peugeot badges on your car would it be PGO's fault?

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Thursday 6th March 16:45

But why would I do that?

Its not a Peugeot!

That like putting VW Beetle badges on a Tygan.

Its not, so its wrong!