RE: Longbridge MG TF Plans Shattered
Discussion
Vauxcrayzee said:
Name me any MG Rover car, from any era that would be a better buy than ANYTHING else on the market. Most of them were crap, some of them were average (MG ZR/ZS) but none of them were excellent at anything.
They weren't the cheapest
They weren't the fastest
They weren't the prettiest
They weren't the safest
They weren't the best handling
They weren't the best specc'd
They weren't the most comfortable
Just about any MG Rover had a better alternative at the time from another manufacturer, that scored better on most or all of the above points.
Don't get me wrong guys, I like the look of the last of the MG Rovers, but they just don't excel at anything that makes the majority of petrolheads want to own one. It's a shame!
Well the Rover 75 easily had the best ride in its class, and they 75/ZT were certainly up there safety wise. The ZS was compared to a scooby WRX handling wise, so not too shabby methinks. They weren't the cheapest
They weren't the fastest
They weren't the prettiest
They weren't the safest
They weren't the best handling
They weren't the best specc'd
They weren't the most comfortable
Just about any MG Rover had a better alternative at the time from another manufacturer, that scored better on most or all of the above points.
Don't get me wrong guys, I like the look of the last of the MG Rovers, but they just don't excel at anything that makes the majority of petrolheads want to own one. It's a shame!
But hey, what an unusual challenge you set. Can you name any Vauxhall or Ford from the same era that can achieve any of your list? What about a Merc? Remember, YOU specified "best etc" so come on then......
No, you can't can you. Cos its a nonsense list of silly questions. You don't even know what companies made up British Leyland (from your earlier post) so how can you be expected to voice anything other than shouty slogans you heard from your mates in class.
edited to add that MR Ritson beat me to it ref Vauxhall
Edited by andymadmak on Tuesday 15th April 14:50
Soon the Gov't and people will wake up to the factthat the Chinese have f
ked them.
Thet will not build cars in Longbridge IMHO.
I have a friend on the inside who tells me there will be no car until 2nd quarter 2009 and the whole Longbridge thing is looking unlikely.
Plan being mooted is to assemble in China and have a UK distributor.
NAC is now run by SAIC so distribution could be run through SAICs existing distributors throughout the world.
ked them.Thet will not build cars in Longbridge IMHO.
I have a friend on the inside who tells me there will be no car until 2nd quarter 2009 and the whole Longbridge thing is looking unlikely.
Plan being mooted is to assemble in China and have a UK distributor.
NAC is now run by SAIC so distribution could be run through SAICs existing distributors throughout the world.
VladD said:
Name a car in the same segment that was better looking than the MG ZT.
MG ZT was based on the Rover 75 IIRC? Hardly the recipe for win.Audi A4 wins hands down on looks, ride quality, engines, build quality, parts availability, image, reliability... something which I'm sure the motoring press and 95% of petrolheads would agree with.
Edited by Vauxcrayzee on Tuesday 15th April 14:54
Vauxcrayzee said:
VladD said:
Name a car in the same segment that was better looking than the MG ZT.
MG ZT was based on the Rover 75 IIRC? Hardly the recipe for win.Audi A4 wins hands down, something which I'm sure the motoring press and 95% of petrolheads would agree with.
Edited by VladD on Tuesday 15th April 14:54
Vauxcrayzee said:
VladD said:
Name a car in the same segment that was better looking than the MG ZT.
MG ZT was based on the Rover 75 IIRC? Hardly the recipe for win.Audi A4 wins hands down, something which I'm sure the motoring press and 95% of petrolheads would agree with.
Or would it be the Audi A4 with the electrical problems? Or maybe the one with the ride like an ironing board?
We're not having this argument.
If you all want to believe MG Rover made good cars, then go right ahead. I'm happy in the knowledge that the proof was in the pudding. Anyone who uses their head over their heart will see they are just a series of re-hashed cars from the 80's that were crap even then.
If you all want to believe MG Rover made good cars, then go right ahead. I'm happy in the knowledge that the proof was in the pudding. Anyone who uses their head over their heart will see they are just a series of re-hashed cars from the 80's that were crap even then.
andymadmak said:
Vauxcrayzee said:
VladD said:
Name a car in the same segment that was better looking than the MG ZT.
MG ZT was based on the Rover 75 IIRC? Hardly the recipe for win.Audi A4 wins hands down, something which I'm sure the motoring press and 95% of petrolheads would agree with.
Or would it be the Audi A4 with the electrical problems? Or maybe the one with the ride like an ironing board?
It would be the bland and uninspiringly designed one, (with all the above as well)!!
HTH
andymadmak said:
Vauxcrayzee said:
VladD said:
Name a car in the same segment that was better looking than the MG ZT.
MG ZT was based on the Rover 75 IIRC? Hardly the recipe for win.Audi A4 wins hands down, something which I'm sure the motoring press and 95% of petrolheads would agree with.
Or would it be the Audi A4 with the electrical problems? Or maybe the one with the ride like an ironing board?
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Vauxcrayzee said:
We're not having this argument.
If you all want to believe MG Rover made good cars, then go right ahead. I'm happy in the knowledge that the proof was in the pudding. Anyone who uses their head over their heart will see they are just a series of re-hashed cars from the 80's that were crap even then.
Like I said. You" know what you know cos thats what everyone knows" You make my point for me Mr Vauxhall man far more eloquently than I ever could. Thank you. If you all want to believe MG Rover made good cars, then go right ahead. I'm happy in the knowledge that the proof was in the pudding. Anyone who uses their head over their heart will see they are just a series of re-hashed cars from the 80's that were crap even then.
Vauxcrayzee said:
B10 said:
Vaux you are a misinformed ****** of the highest order. Go back to junior school and learn a bit more about the UK car industry and it's history.
Ok I've wrote a quick summary for you:British Leyland - 100% Fail
Rover - 100% Fail
Triumph - Mostly fail
MG - Limited success but mostly fail
Austin - 105% fail
Vauxcrayzee said:
So MGF's did not have metro brakes and suspension, along with the least reliable mass-produced engine of all time?
GTFO.
Thats right. They didn't. Most accurate thing you've posted all day. GTFO.
MGFs had modified Rover Metro suspension. Note the use of the term modified. In fact most manufacturers use parts across their ranges. Whats the problem? And as for the metro brakes - whats your problem with 4 pot callipers? Sounds pretty good to me.
Of course by the time the TF came along, MG had moved the car onto all steel suspension, all disc brakes etc, but hey, why let the truth get in the way of what you know.
And the calibra? That wasn't a cavalier with a swoopy body? Didn't make it any less of a desirable car did it? And how ancient was the chassis under you Corsa? (do the research and prepare to be shocked)
Now as for the K series being the least reliable mass produced engine of all time, I assume you have the stats to back this up? No? Really? Not another slogan you heard in class surely? Why am I not surprised.
Regardless of any of the above (debate?) IF this story is true then it just about seems to typify where UK is in manufacturing these days. We have skills (perhaps less practical based than in the past) and possibly a surplus of "technology" based skill but no matter what we are perhaps pricing ourselves out of international markets for some of the "old school" manufacturing industries.
Question is- is that a syptom of modern Britain or a cause?
Question is- is that a syptom of modern Britain or a cause?
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