RE: More Pics Of Fake Builder's Van

[Jeansy]

Surely this is entrapment and is illegal.

[10 Pence Short]

Jeansy said:

Surely this is entrapment and is illegal.

How? They're not encouraging you to speed.

[DanS]

Skodaku said:

J16GY said:

Im ready to open the whole can of worms here and wait your responses, as soon as I have posted this I may log off!

This conversation has been had billions of times before on here, I have had 12 points on my license over a period of years now, got 6 at the moment, I got them for speeding, because I was speeding, I was over the speed limit in an area where I shouldnt be, I deserved those points no matter how annoying they are, I deserve them because I was speeding.

If you dont speed, then cameras in police vans, in blue vans in disguise, held by policeman in glow in the dark jackets or by tramps, or camouflaged ice cream vans or Bill Oddie dressed as a green woodpecker will not affect you...

I DO agree that some of the speed limits are stupid in certain areas, but I also agree that some drivers are c*cks in certain areas, around schools or built up areas, and these are the drivers that havent got children of their own trying to cross roads in these areas... I await the bitter responses!

No arguments from here, either. "Don't do the crime, don't do the time" etc.

Except that some of us don't think there has been a crime committed, so no time should be served. Luckily we still have the freedom to protest against unjust absolute legislation if we feel like it.

Policing the roads by taking pictures of people doing a few miles an hour over the limit (set in the 1950's on Crossplys)is a poor excuse for taking the issues of road deaths seriously. People should be properly trained to drive safely, A licence should not be a right, if you fail 3 tests you should simply not be able to re-take a test without some sort of special training, I can drive, but I certainly can't dance, and I'd guess there are many for whom driving is just something they can't get their heads round although they may be a lovely mover when they are on the dancefloor.

The irony is that the same people who say that speeders should be incinerated laugh over their dinners at 'Maureen' from driving school being a danger to all road users and herself for the cameras. Training is the key and the police prove that - if coppers can be trained to drive safely at high speeds then us ordinary mortals can too. Sadly training people properly is of course not as easy or lucrative as taking pictures out of builders vans.

[Pingman]

Stamp said:

Is any one else wondering what that girl is doing standing in the road?

She's there for authenticity as well.

An authentic builders sg!

Note the attention to detail with the large gold hoped earrings, bleach blonde hair and a healthy dose of Syphilis!

A builders van pulled out in front of me causing me to do an emergency stop yesterday btw

In other news, I'm amazed at the follow:

1) The attention to detail they'e gone to in disguising the van.
2) That the MOFO's are sounderhand these days.

I too never thought that *I* would ever utter these words, but seriously, 'go and catch some real criminals'!

[David1975]

I seriously cant beleive what i am reading.

You are all complaining about the police using covert techiques to catch speeders. FFS. Whats your problem. Are they making you speed by being undercover, is it entrapment?

So you all think that a shoplifter should not face procecution if he is arrested by an undercover cop??

Jesus, sometimes i wonder about the mentality of the british public. If you do wrong, you may get caught. If your gonna cry like a baby and claim underhand techniques then stick to the speed limit.....just a thought!

I have 9 points by the way so being caught has certainly slowed me down as i dont want a ban. Desired effect....I would say so.

Edited by David1975 on Thursday 8th May 12:30

[MilnerR]

David1975 said:

I seriously cant beleive what i am reading.

You are all complaining about the police using covert techiques to catch speeders. FFS. Whats your problem. Are they making you speed by being undercover, is it entrapment?

So you all think that a shoplifter should not face procecution if he is arrested by an undercover cop??

Jesus, sometimes i wonder about the mentality of the british public. If you do wrong, may get caught. If your gonna cry like a baby and claim underhand techniques the stick to the speed limit.....just a thought!

I have 9 points by the way so being caught has certainly slowed me down as i dont want a ban. Desired effect....I would say so.

0 points on my licence, and 0 accidents here, the annoying thing is that on the road I saw this van operating used to be NSL (A5004), now it's a 50 limit and heavily enforced. Have the number of causalties gone down, is the road safer? No, of course it isn't. The system in rotten, the SCPs are in a win win situation. They use enforcement and the average speed on a road drops, however the causalty rate doesn't, to most people this would suggest that speed enforcement might not be the most important aspect of road safety, however the SCP are only interested in speed and need that money to pay their mortgages, therefore they petition for a lower limit (after all the current limit must be too high), increase the level or type of enforcement and wait for the money.

The SCP are a going concern, they aren't going to let their revenue stream dry up are they? The old don't speed and there's nothing to worry about argument doesn't wash. The SCPs want you to speed and they want you to be caught, they'll lower the limit to make the law abiding criminal overnight and they'll pull stunts like this to make sure that the newly made speeding criminals are caught.

Trust me, if this tactic of unmarked vans starts to fail then you'll see a lot of 50 limits turning into 40 limits.

[Cornholio351239]

What if the no. plate was copied, put on another blue Movano van and some scally was paid to drive past the 'builders van' just over the speed limit Who would pick up the points and the fine??!!

[havoc]

There's another 'unmarked' van around - A5 in Leicestershire west of the M69, a plain white one has been spotted...

This and that Suffolk article are convincing me that it's not just the Police leadership who believe this BS, it's a fair chunk of the serving BiB as well...

[There goes a large chunk of the respect I had left for them...]

[Skywalker]

havoc said:

There's another 'unmarked' van around - A5 in Leicestershire west of the M69, a plain white one has been spotted...

This and that Suffolk article are convincing me that it's not just the Police leadership who believe this BS, it's a fair chunk of the serving BiB as well...

[There goes a large chunk of the respect I had left for them...]

Probably ANPR rather than Scamera

[polus]

I think that anyone who has had points should be banned. It would ease congestion while getting the most dangerous drivers (those who are speeding, hence the road safety effort targeted towards these people) off the roads, obviously you agree.

Id also like to say that even though I choose to live outside a busy road that I think all those bds who drive on it should be banned because they must be driving dangerously (they're noisy and it disturbs my quiet time you see).

In addition these measures should help fight climate change and allow our oil reserves in Iraq to last longer.

You see, they do know better.

P.S. Don’t feed me.

Edited by polus on Thursday 8th May 23:03

[havoc]

Skywalker said:

havoc said:

There's another 'unmarked' van around - A5 in Leicestershire west of the M69, a plain white one has been spotted...

This and that Suffolk article are convincing me that it's not just the Police leadership who believe this BS, it's a fair chunk of the serving BiB as well...

[There goes a large chunk of the respect I had left for them...]

Probably ANPR rather than Scamera

Wouldn't it make sense, if they were using ANPR, to have a bunch of police waiting up to pull-over and sort-out any vehicles that tripped it? You know, actually CATCH people?!?

Because (and I must be missing something here) it seems to me that ANPR is not much bloody use after the event, as half the vehicles flagged probably won't have the right RK/address details on the DVLA database!
...talk about waste of resources...

[[AJ]]

Dirty, scheming, thieving scum bags!

[The Hypno-Toad]

& another one, thanks to the boys at MCN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OYseCC4dwY

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[Jasandjules]

David1975 said:

I have 9 points by the way so being caught has certainly slowed me down as i dont want a ban. Desired effect....I would say so.

Clearly not if it took 3 goes.

Not only that, but slowing you don't won't necessarily reduce your chances of having an accident.

[J111]

J111 said:

I'm seeking confirmation that they're only using it in published mobile camera locations.

They aren't

[Pesty]

10 Pence Short said:

The van IS being used for speed detection, as the marked vans were having "no impact whatsoever".

errm have they not been telling us for years that


oh ffs there is not point is there. to these zealots its a religeon

[King of Dings]

David1975 said:

I seriously cant beleive what i am reading.

You are all complaining about the police using covert techiques to catch speeders. FFS. Whats your problem. Are they making you speed by being undercover, is it entrapment?

So you all think that a shoplifter should not face procecution if he is arrested by an undercover cop??

Jesus, sometimes i wonder about the mentality of the british public. If you do wrong, you may get caught. If your gonna cry like a baby and claim underhand techniques then stick to the speed limit.....just a thought!

I have 9 points by the way so being caught has certainly slowed me down as i dont want a ban. Desired effect....I would say so.

Edited by David1975 on Thursday 8th May 12:30

Whip me harder Mr plod, please please don't stop. I deserve it, i do, please punish me....... moron !

[havoc]

David1975 said:

I have 9 points by the way so being caught has certainly slowed me down as i dont want a ban. Desired effect....I would say so.

Spot on - they want to slow you down.

What you're missing is that slowing you down has NO effect on how safe a driver you are, and may be counter-productive, as I suspect that, on 9 points, you pay a lot more attention to your speedo than the average driver.


So our complaints about this are twofold:-
1) They're enforcing the wrong thing. They shouldn't be policing speed, they should be policing inattention, poor driving, and aggressive/dangerous driving.
2) The speed-limits which they are so zealously enforcing are, in the modern day, often laughably low anyway*, which creates a doubly-negative view of the law and those who enforce it (bad law + overactive enforcement).

• Outside of built-up areas, before anyone gets cute!

[Scamper]

as we get more wise to where the cameras are located i.e. published on websites, highly visible, word of mouth etc.. they are coming up with more and more devious ways of maintaining their revenue stream.

Isnt the point of a speed camera to reduce speeding? So when they catch less people speeding havent they succeeded? Logically yes but that doesnt pay their mortgages.

All i can see happpening is panic braking by those who are aware of these "camouflaged" mobile cameras as people spot a "potential" camera van up ahead.... Sudden braking, more rear enders, accident stats go up, bingo a fixed camera can be put in place.....

[Nuova500]

Does anyone remeber the feature ion Fifth Gear about the Dutch Plolice placeing a speed camera in a wheely bin??????

What a rubbish idea.