RE: SOTW: Peugeot 106 GTI
Discussion
rushy_23 said:
The Saxo VTS also hits 60mph in second. I is said that both boxes are the same. The S1 rallye Box has much shorter ratios, while the S2 has slightly shorter ones than the 106 GTi.
Its probably a safe bet that the VTS and GTi use the same ratios.
Yeah, i thought the ratios were the same on the early ones at least. Early 106 Gti used different engine management to early VTS at least, Pug had a 200rpm higher limit Its probably a safe bet that the VTS and GTi use the same ratios.
rushy_23 said:
The S1 rallye Box has much shorter ratios, while the S2 has slightly shorter ones than the 106 GTi.
Its probably a safe bet that the VTS and GTi use the same ratios.
Actually the ratio's are the same in the s1 and s2 Rallye. Most sporty pugs/citroens share the same ratio's its the final drive which is different due to different crown and pinion wheels.Its probably a safe bet that the VTS and GTi use the same ratios.
The GTi and VTS have the same ratio's and same final drive afaik.
Peugeot Pete said:
The GTi and VTS have the same ratio's and same final drive afaik.
Were on the early ones at least - Saxo also went through at least 3 different types of ECU, Bosch initially, Magneti-Marelli and Sagem depending on point of production.The higher rev limit on the ECU of the Pug accounted for the speed differences initially. VTS didn't go onto 195/45x15s until about T-reg - both cars came out on 185/55x14s at launch - Peugeot with P700-Zs and VTS on Michelin Pilot SX GTs
Shropshiremike said:
Peugeot Pete said:
The GTi and VTS have the same ratio's and same final drive afaik.
Were on the early ones at least - Saxo also went through at least 3 different types of ECU, Bosch initially, Magneti-Marelli and Sagem depending on point of production.The higher rev limit on the ECU of the Pug accounted for the speed differences initially. VTS didn't go onto 195/45x15s until about T-reg - both cars came out on 185/55x14s at launch - Peugeot with P700-Zs and VTS on Michelin Pilot SX GTs
Very few ever came with the Bosch unit, I've never worked on one.
The "single plug" Mag Marelli followed near enough as production started and is a hard basic ECU. It controlled the fuel and air mix, when the cylinders needed a spark and that was about it. It worked, which is really what you want from an ECU
Sadly, Mr Single Plug died in 2001 and was replaced by Mr three plug. Mr 3 Plug is very cleaver and can manage the rear brake distribution (fropm 2002) and everything. Sadly, whenever he finds a fault with one of his 2000 sensors it all becomes too much for him and he uses the coil pack driver to electricute himself.
How do I know all this about the 3 plug? Because the f
king thing has lunched itself 3 times now.Other faults include diff bearings in the gearbox which die quite easily and the rear beam radius arm bearings are a bit pap, but to be honest, elecrtics aside on later ones, they are a very, very solid little car.
The engine is insanely strong at the bottom end, so big power can be had, but to be honest they are sweet as standard and a great tool to learn Europes favourite tole road in
CampDavid said:
Shropshiremike said:
Peugeot Pete said:
The GTi and VTS have the same ratio's and same final drive afaik.
Were on the early ones at least - Saxo also went through at least 3 different types of ECU, Bosch initially, Magneti-Marelli and Sagem depending on point of production.The higher rev limit on the ECU of the Pug accounted for the speed differences initially. VTS didn't go onto 195/45x15s until about T-reg - both cars came out on 185/55x14s at launch - Peugeot with P700-Zs and VTS on Michelin Pilot SX GTs
Very few ever came with the Bosch unit, I've never worked on one.
I think Peugeot did the fine tuning on their dampers for the 106 in house as well
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