RE: PH Heroes: Ultima GTR

[rhinochopig]

Pixel-Snapper said:

rhinochopig said:

Pixel-Snapper said:

Z Cars also had a go at retro fitting twin turbo twin busa motorbike engines to one a while ago resulting in 1000hp and very brown pants!

http://www.zcars.org.uk/ultima/index.htm

Try reading the whole thread.

My bad Rhino must of missed that.

I had a nose round it last time I was at z-cars. Lovely bit of kit, superbly engineered, and some jewel like Ally billet work, but 1000bhp out of 2.6 litres - even if I had the money, I wouldn't want the hassle TBH.

Some vid of one of the shakedowns - odd music though

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DA0Bhr-ttgY

[H22K]

RobM77 said:

Will we ever get a superbike on the track?

They've done it, chap.

Porsche 993 vs R1.

Porsche won.

Lovely ultima. But for the money you spent on those (amazing) wheels, you could have got some twenny foh spinnaz! What a missed opportunity.

[Digga]

dinkel said:

Saw this before - I was googling a while back to see if anyone had ever tried to wedge a 7 litre Jaguar V12 into an Ultima. Always loved the XJR9 & 12 Le Mans cars and though a Jag powered Ultima would be the next best (and nearest I'd ever get to one) thing, I could even paint it in the white and purple livery and get some "Slik C**t" graphics.

By the way LuckyP, you have one superb looking motor.

[Scuffers]

dkennedyvxt said:

stuart-b said:

Lucky, this video: http://pistonheads.tv/clip1504

Great car! Enjoyed the video, but at 4 minutes, what the hell is powering that Lotus that lets it get away from you?

It sounds unreal!

I think it's motorport Elise with Audi turbo engine.....400BHP ish I think someone mentioned. The owner lurks around the EVO forum and maybe here....lucky man :-)

No it's not.

The Blue Elise is Chris Randall's, fitted with a supercharged/intercooled Honda K20 (Yellow one at the start is mine).

[mitch78]

H22K said:

RobM77 said:

Will we ever get a superbike on the track?

They've done it, chap.

Porsche 993 vs R1.

Porsche won.

I could have sworn it was a 996. It was a while ago though, so you could be right. Then again a 993 would make it mid 90s, they can't have used a car that old, can they?

Anyway, back on topic now...

[Adrian W]

LuckyP said:

Thanks for all the great comments chaps. Nice to see all the hard work getting it's 15 mins of fame

For anyone thinking of building, it's a most pleasurable experience. A man size Meccano set!!! Just spec it right first time, set your goals and go for it!!

Mine cost about £55K in parts, with about £10K extra on Dymag carbin fibre rims/magnesium alloy spokes,Quaife ATB, Kumho tyres, uprates springs and race clutch.

I had a wet sump to start with, but I hadn't bargained on all the track work - so the engine came out and got rebuilt by Charles Dunn Engineering,who put the dry sump in and tweaked a few other parts to help the engine survive what trackdays throw at it!! (damn - another £10K)

It also has a knock sensor by Phormula to keep an eye on what's going on!!

Anyway -get yourselves to the Factory and get Ted to give you a test fright!!! You won't be disapointed!!

Cheers

Lucky.

Edited by LuckyP on Tuesday 25th November 00:10

And I can still run faster;)

[gary_tholl]

The bimmer V12 Ultima resides in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada... Jay Esterer brings it out and races it occasionally (support races for the Edmonton IRL race). Very nice guy. Inspired by the McLaren F1, so he decided to build his own version using an Ultima. Fantastic bits, lots of time/effort went into it. It was licenced for the street, not sure if it still is or not. Ran up near the front with the purpose built GT1/Stock car types for most of the race.

http://www.ultimav12.ca

Gary

Edited by gary_tholl on Tuesday 25th November 17:41

Edited by gary_tholl on Tuesday 25th November 17:46

[central]

Spotted at Ashby Folville last summer -

[darth_pies]

RobM77 said:

I've never understood Top Gear's rational behind cars that go round their track. They've had the Ariel Atom on but not a Caterham (yeah, ok, they had an R400 briefly once in a group test). Caterham/Lotus are one of the classic British cars and they never get featured. Yes, they're kit cars, but so was the original Elan - it was the way Lotus did things in the 60s (to avoid purchase tax).

I can only assume they'll only have cars round there if they're "cool". i.e. the Atom's a bit different, whereas the Caterham looks like a classic and is front engined etc.

The end result of course is that people get a really strange view of cars watching Top Gear. The general public probably thinks that some big posh road going supercar with leather seats and air con is the fastest thing you can buy (Zonda, Veyron etc), and don't give a second thought to cars like the Ultima, Caterham, or god forbid a racing car like a Formula Ford or Radical that we can all buy pretty cheaply and enjoy on track. Oh, and what about bikes? Will we ever get a superbike on the track?

The thing to remember is that Top Gear makes a lot of money for the BBC, Clarkson et al by appealing to the widest possible audience. That generally means them w**king over mega-bucks unattainable hypercars because your average fella thinks those are the pinnacle of performance motoring.

I know for a fact that Caterham have been petitioning TG for years to feature the CSR260 or R500. Even when it was the 50th anniversary of the Seven last Summer TG refused. A British sports car still in production after 50 years that can still cut it with the best and they weren't interested.....
The rumours are flying at the moment that they may finally relent before the end of this series now that the Veyron has been done.......

Love Ultimas, but their biggest problem is the 'kit' factor. IMHO if they want you to spend this kind of dosh on a very high performance car, Ultima need to smarten up their act and make the TOTAL price clear on their website. Listing a load of optional parts and obscuring the true cost is counterproductive because nobody ever knows where they sit betweem great value (50k) and silly money (100k).

[mwoo]

Hi Lucky, great car, looks a beauty.

From your pistonTV site "With newly built engine, revised gear set and a shiny set of Carbon Dymags, Lucky attemps to better his 1.21 from last year....and comes away with a few 1.18s. Which is nice..."

so just about as quick as a 1600SS Caterham then (megagrads lap record 1:19:163 Grads site)

Mind you, the traffic on your clip is pretty heavy, nice bit where an M3 suddenly notices and gets the hell out of the way!

[stuart-b]

Scuffers said:

dkennedyvxt said:

stuart-b said:

Lucky, this video: http://pistonheads.tv/clip1504

Great car! Enjoyed the video, but at 4 minutes, what the hell is powering that Lotus that lets it get away from you?

It sounds unreal!

I think it's motorport Elise with Audi turbo engine.....400BHP ish I think someone mentioned. The owner lurks around the EVO forum and maybe here....lucky man :-)

No it's not.

The Blue Elise is Chris Randall's, fitted with a supercharged/intercooled Honda K20 (Yellow one at the start is mine).

Nice - what would an Elise in that guise set you back (roughly) ? 10k for a donor car, 15k for the engine/tranny/supercharger, 5-6k for the other misc upgrades? (all in about 35k?) if so, this is even better value than the Ultima for pure performance, and it seems to handle a bit better too!

[k wright]

LuckyP,

Fantastic car, have you considered having the wing supports anodized the same color as your wheel centers?

Anymore photos of your engine bay? I'm putting a dry sump on my GTR and would greatly appreciate more details on your installation.

Thanks,

Ken

[SS HSV]

Hi Ken.. its been a while

I had dry sump on mine, 2 scavenge, 1 feed. I bought the standard Ultima tank but then had to have it machined to take the extra scavenge pipe as advised by Pete Knight. Definately worth the extra £££ IMO. The pump and tank were nearly the same price as all the #12 pipe and fittings

[Scuffers]

stuart-b said:

Nice - what would an Elise in that guise set you back (roughly) ? 10k for a donor car, 15k for the engine/tranny/supercharger, 5-6k for the other misc upgrades? (all in about 35k?) if so, this is even better value than the Ultima for pure performance, and it seems to handle a bit better too!

That would comfortably cover it (unless you went silly with bling etc).
worth pointing out, that particular car was running at a restricted power level - 279 at the hubs (to fit race regs), un-restriced, they can do significantly more.

[RobM77]

Scuffers said:

stuart-b said:

Nice - what would an Elise in that guise set you back (roughly) ? 10k for a donor car, 15k for the engine/tranny/supercharger, 5-6k for the other misc upgrades? (all in about 35k?) if so, this is even better value than the Ultima for pure performance, and it seems to handle a bit better too!

That would comfortably cover it (unless you went silly with bling etc).
worth pointing out, that particular car was running at a restricted power level - 279 at the hubs (to fit race regs), un-restriced, they can do significantly more.

It's although worth mentioning that Chris is doing rather well in the Elise Trophy at the moment!!

[dkennedyvxt]

I feel like a bad person....Someone at work asked what was going on in the pic with the engine bay, doors and bonnet open.....I said it was new 'air brake' technology.

I'm going to hell.....

[tank slapper]

rhinochopig said:

odd music though

The Mysterious Cities of Gold. Goodness knows why they chose that.

[Speed_Demon]

dkennedyvxt said:

I feel like a bad person....Someone at work asked what was going on in the pic with the engine bay, doors and bonnet open.....I said it was new 'air brake' technology.

I'm going to hell.....

Nice work IMO.

[Stevie Mojo]

dkennedyvxt said:

I feel like a bad person....Someone at work asked what was going on in the pic with the engine bay, doors and bonnet open.....I said it was new 'air brake' technology.

I'm going to hell.....

If you're going to hell for such a thing then we're all doomed!

[AnnoyingGit]

stuart-b said:

LuckyP said:

Thanks for all the great comments chaps. Nice to see all the hard work getting it's 15 mins of fame

For anyone thinking of building, it's a most pleasurable experience. A man size Meccano set!!! Just spec it right first time, set your goals and go for it!!

Mine cost about £55K in parts, with about £10K extra on Dymag carbin fibre rims/magnesium alloy spokes,Quaife ATB, Kumho tyres, uprates springs and race clutch.

I had a wet sump to start with, but I hadn't bargained on all the track work - so the engine came out and got rebuilt by Charles Dunn Engineering,who put the dry sump in and tweaked a few other parts to help the engine survive what trackdays throw at it!! (damn - another £10K)

It also has a knock sensor by Phormula to keep an eye on what's going on!!

Anyway -get yourselves to the Factory and get Ted to give you a test fright!!! You won't be disapointed!!

Cheers

Lucky.

Edited by LuckyP on Tuesday 25th November 00:10

Lucky, this video: http://pistonheads.tv/clip1504

Great car! Enjoyed the video, but at 4 minutes, what the hell is powering that Lotus that lets it get away from you?

It sounds unreal!

Watching that Lotus brings back the memory of the trackday I did at Snetterton with my mate in his P1. I learnt a valuable lesson that day about not letting red mist get to you.........

It was raining and there was a lotus following me and I thought he'll never keep up as I powered down Revett Straight. I did think it was a bit strange as he kept up and got even closer under the brakes... (I know the weight was an advantage here) as we went around Corams he was getting a little closer and eventually I started to drift slowly sideways.... Steering into it I held it for a while until it went all Pete Tong and we (My mate was beside me) hit the grass on the inside of the turn at about 60-70mph. We travelled for quite a few metres before the offside wheels dug in and the car preceeded to raise its nearside wheels about 3-4ft off the ground.......

I learnt quite a lot that day. The main one is, my mate is very trusting, he let me drive it in the very next session because he said if I didn't I won't want to do it again.....

Oh, and don't try and race a 300BHP Lotus with wets on...........

AG

PS Sorry for getting slightly off topic, thought you might enjoy it....