RE: Aston Vantage V12

[kambites]

militantmandy said:

kambites said:

cronk-flakes said:

kambites said:

cronk-flakes said:

Soo... It's a DBS?

The DBS is based on the DB9 not the Vantage. There's a big difference in size.

I'm aware of the differences. But these are almost the same?!?! Weight aside... They look the same, so why bother?

Don't get me wrong, I like it - but it almost seems pointless. It's not like they don't have a V12 version of a car that looks almost the same.

Presumably you think the Cayman is pointless too, as long as Porsche have the 911? After all it's the same engine type, same weight, looks almost identical,...

Eh? There's similar and bordeline identical! Also, mid engined vs rear engined. Don't really think you've got much of an argument there!

I think the Vantage is as different from the DB9 as the Cayman is from the 911 as far as looks are concerned.

[Fittster]

TheYeti said:

Fittster said:

TheYeti said:

If anyone says that its derivative, not good looking, not bothered etc etc.....

YOU'RE WRONG! END OF!!!

Get your eyes tested! Now!

Oh come on, there is more than a passing resemblance between the XK8, DB7, DB9, DBS and this one. Design innocation is fairly stale at Porsche, Ferrari, Aston and Lambo. The only attempt at something new is the Ferrari California, which unfortunately doesn't work.

Only the smaller supercar makers seem to take risks these days.

No, I agree on the resembelence, but derivative? Hmmmm.....depends on your point of view. I see Golfs Focus's, Astra's and the like and yeah, although they have pulled their finger out to make them look interesting recently, the point is, I see them, all the while, every day. But Astons? Nope, see one probably once every couple of months. So, derivative? Maybe, but when a car looks THAT good, does it really, really matter? I enjoy looking at it, it gives me pleasure and to criticise it because it looks like DBS, DB7, XK8 etc etc.....cars you don't see on a regular basis is like saying I saw Halle Berry walking down the street and thought "Meh, she looks like every other woman on the street".....

Yet I could go out and point out 100 Page Three clones easily in one stroll.......

I guess I want to see more thrilling designs from the big boys. It used to happen:

911 > 928 (Ok, the 928 didn't end up replacing the 911 but it was intended to and it was a major sytling change. The 928 still looks fresh today)

Ferrari Daytona > 512BB

Lamborghini 400GT > Miura > Countach

Aston aren't the most radical but still there were farily significant leaps.

DB6 > V8 > Virage.

Now days it's only the smaller firms taking risks (Spyker, Zonda, etc).

[Zod]

I know lots of people like it, but for me, the Virage was an abomination.

[militantmandy]

kambites said:

militantmandy said:

kambites said:

cronk-flakes said:

kambites said:

cronk-flakes said:

Soo... It's a DBS?

The DBS is based on the DB9 not the Vantage. There's a big difference in size.

I'm aware of the differences. But these are almost the same?!?! Weight aside... They look the same, so why bother?

Don't get me wrong, I like it - but it almost seems pointless. It's not like they don't have a V12 version of a car that looks almost the same.

Presumably you think the Cayman is pointless too, as long as Porsche have the 911? After all it's the same engine type, same weight, looks almost identical,...

Eh? There's similar and bordeline identical! Also, mid engined vs rear engined. Don't really think you've got much of an argument there!

I think the Vantage is as different from the DB9 as the Cayman is from the 911 as far as looks are concerned.

Sorry, but I would utterly, totally disagree with that. Specsavers?

[kambites]

Might be worth a visit for you, yeah.

I'm never sure whether to be impressed with Porsche or not. They build a rather oddly porportioned car called the 911. It's oddly proportioned because the engine is, rather unusually, mounted longitudinally behind the axle line.

Then they build a more conventional mid-engined car and... make it look exactly the same as their rear engined one.



OK that may be a slight exaggeration, but the Cayman looks extremely awkward for a mid-engined car to my eye.

I'd say both the Astons and the Porsches are rather too similar for my tastes, but I can understand why manufacturers do it. Since the Aston is a far better looking car, I guess I can forgive it. The back of the 911 is characterfully ungainly, the Cayman is just ungainly.

All IMO, obviously.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 5th February 16:48

[militantmandy]

kambites said:

Might be worth a visit for you, yeah.

Then they build a more conventional mid-engined car and... make it look exactly the same as their rear engined one.


I'd say both the Astons and the Porsches are rather too similar for my tastes, but I can understand why manufacturers do it. Since the Aston is a far better looking car, I guess I can forgive it.

All IMO, obviously.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 5th February 16:48

Wouldn't disagree with any of the above really...more or less. My only real point here is that the DB9 got put on a photocopier -85% and we're done! It doesn't look quite\very\strikingly etc etc similar to the DB9. It is THE SAME bar a few minor details. The slash down the side\running lights. Easy to mistake one for another at distance, from almost any angle. Same can be said for the Porker, but only front on!

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[kambites]

militantmandy said:

Wouldn't disagree with any of the above really...more or less. My only real point here is that the DB9 got put on a photocopier -85% and we're done! It doesn't look quite\very\strikingly etc etc similar to the DB9. It is THE SAME bar a few minor details. The slash down the side\running lights. Easy to mistake one for another at distance, from almost any angle. Same can be said for the Porker, but only front on!

I could confuse a Vanquish with the DB9, but to my eye the V8V looks quite different. I can't quite put my finger on what's so different about them, but I could certainly never mistake a Vantage for a DB9.

They actually look much less similar in the metal than they do in pictures, perhaps because the scale is so different?

Edited by kambites on Friday 6th February 08:38