RE: Danish Super Model Hits The Runway

[gumsie]

Dagnut said:

gumsie said:

Bizzle said:

RB Will said:

Isn't 217mph a little slow for 1100bhp?

Are you being sarcastic?
Im guessing you must be, because I would imagine you already realise that power has nothing to do with top speed, it's (mostly, but with many many other considerations) to do with gearing & aerodynamics.

If you have enough power it won't matter about the gearing and aerodynamics. How many cars of any size or shape have reached 200mph with less than lets say 450BHP?

The f40 Did it with 470 bhp and a big wing on the back..the 959 nearly got there with 444bhp and it weighed alomst 1500kg..again it had a wing which would of reduced top speed.

Edited by Dagnut on Wednesday 29th April 13:45

So strictly speaking those two don't count then. The F40 had more than 450, and the 959 nearly got there. But I take your point.

[Droptheclutch]

DJC said:

Are the Danes as mad as the Dutch?

That is a joke right? The only people more loony than the Danes are Kiwis!

Thankyou, thankyou very much.

[CK_N4S]

Monkey boy 1 said:

From their web site

Zenvo said:

The car is 100% Danish design, Denmark has always been known for its cutting edge designers and for the first time "Danish Design" has been applied to a supercar"

Oh really ? who are these world renound Danish designers ?

First one off the top of my mind would be Henrik Fisker.

Responsible for the Z8, Vanquish, DB9 and to a part the Vantage satisfied?

CK

Edited by CK_N4S on Wednesday 29th April 16:26

[logoman]

Tom Kristensen should get behind this project.

[lenandsons]

Monkey boy 1 said:

From their web site
[quote] The car is 100% Danish design, Denmark has always been known for its cutting edge designers and for the first time "Danish Design" has been applied to a supercar"

Oh really ? who are these world renound Danish designers ?

In a non automotive arena the guys from B&O spring to mind

[mobosecomin]

GingerWizard said:

Jenny Tills said:

gumsie said:

Bizzle said:

RB Will said:

Isn't 217mph a little slow for 1100bhp?

Are you being sarcastic?
Im guessing you must be, because I would imagine you already realise that power has nothing to do with top speed, it's (mostly, but with many many other considerations) to do with gearing & aerodynamics.

If you have enough power it won't matter about the gearing and aerodynamics. How many cars of any size or shape have reached 200mph with less than lets say 450BHP?

I can see your point about aerodynamics, The yank truck called shockwave for example uses 36000hp to push the brick shape to 376mph, but the gearing is important, if your cars gearbox is only geared for 100mph in top cog thats all it will do, even with 100000bhp.

Bizzel i think your as touch misguided there. It is to do with power as aero drag increases exponetially...

Of course if its geared to 100mph it will only do 100mph..

Its lower top speed is probably to do with massive downforce, or.... it's limited for safty purposes. Its hard to test cars much in excess of F1 speeds, and the energies on the ouside of the wheel rims and tyres is massive at these speeds. i am sure if you stuck a long top gear in and took it to the salt flats it would give up 250mph.

Anyhow its not got enough power for me, so i'm not buying one!

just said id pop this bit of info in here

Aerodynamic friction or drag is proportional to the square of the speed; for example doubling speed quadruples drag. Work is a product of force applied over a distance travelled. Comparing a vehicle travelling at 160 km/h (99 mph) with one travelling at 320 km/h (200 mph), over a given time (e.g. 1 second), the faster vehicle must overcome 4 times the aerodynamic drag, and travel twice the distance of the slower one. Thus it does 8 times the work of the slower vehicle in that time

so really what this means is once you start going over 200mph you need alot more power for smaller gains ..

also gearing ..

from my experience driving a f40 to its top speed compared to an f430 with similar top speed is an altogether different experience .. mostly due to gearing .. the reason i think the f40 has such a high top speed .. to make it competive with similar top spped cars on a track the gearing would have to be adjusted and then the top spped is only about 160mph .. all you see is the f430s rear lights pulling away .. this is also gran turismo gaming experience !!

[chazwozza]

Wish this one well, spent a lot of time in Denmark whilst dating a danish girl. Still have no idea why I dumped her. Anyway the design out there is amazing, often such simple things but top drawer- B&O's main store in Copenhagen to prove a point. They should design the bodies for more mainstream cars and europe would be a better place..

[PascalBuyens]

pokethepope said:

Fetchez la vache said:

From what he was saying, he wasn't actually "selling" it very well, it has to be said.

Agreed. "Drives like a hatchback and does not have perfect handling." I realise it could still be a great car, but come on, sell it to us man!

Weird, because I reread the subtitles after reading your remarks, and it clearly says "I'd say the car handles if not perfect..."

Maybe my English has gotten a lot worse after a white night, but "handles if not perfect", isn't that saying the handling is spot on???

[Belfast Boy]

diffingo said:

Looks like the love child of an A8 and Reventon! Like it, but can the Danes make a classic?

Well I would of said Reventon and VW Iroc concept>?

[chuntington101]

Lil' Joe said:

Do you think all upercrs will have 1000+bhp in the future? That's now the Veyron, The Ultimate Aero SSC, a load of Supras and Skylines and now this. Lambo etc are on 600 odd so not that far to go...

i think your right, well until the fuel prices make these monsters just too exspencive.

the Supra and Skylines however are modified, and in this area 1000bhp has been past for a very long time. there are Corvettes that are DD cars that are running around the 1000+rwhp (probably about 1000bhp in the uk) mark on normal pump fuel. same gose for the Viper guys and even the ford guys!

i think to reach this level of power however NA hyper cars will be no more. Forced induction is the only real route with any kind of reliability.

Some will say this will take away feel and driveability, other will just say new ideas, like turbo/superchargers used on this car, will have to be thought up to help out!

Chris.

[golemgrey]

On a sidenote:

weight has't much factor in top speed. It might create a limit on the top speed if the tyres being used cannot cope with the weight at those speeds, but ultimately weight can actually help. A lightweight car suffering from lift is less stable and harder to get to maintain the top speed. A lighter car will reach it's top speed faster.

If the motor is making 1100 flywheel hp, if it doesn't crack 350kph then I'd also assume that it would indeed be a gearing issue, perhaps the tapering off for the top speed (the aero dynamic brick wall) starts to really hit in or the stability starts to become an issue, and the developers said: this is not a top speed penis race here, it stops being usably fast avout here. Let's gear it for race tracks and it is unlikely to top 220 on any circuit oriented track in the world with stability.

That'd be what I'd do anyway. I might make a tall diff option for people who want bragging rights.

[markbmw]

mobosecomin said:

GingerWizard said:

Jenny Tills said:

gumsie said:

Bizzle said:

RB Will said:

Isn't 217mph a little slow for 1100bhp?

Are you being sarcastic?
Im guessing you must be, because I would imagine you already realise that power has nothing to do with top speed, it's (mostly, but with many many other considerations) to do with gearing & aerodynamics.

If you have enough power it won't matter about the gearing and aerodynamics. How many cars of any size or shape have reached 200mph with less than lets say 450BHP?

I can see your point about aerodynamics, The yank truck called shockwave for example uses 36000hp to push the brick shape to 376mph, but the gearing is important, if your cars gearbox is only geared for 100mph in top cog thats all it will do, even with 100000bhp.

Bizzel i think your as touch misguided there. It is to do with power as aero drag increases exponetially...

Of course if its geared to 100mph it will only do 100mph..

Its lower top speed is probably to do with massive downforce, or.... it's limited for safty purposes. Its hard to test cars much in excess of F1 speeds, and the energies on the ouside of the wheel rims and tyres is massive at these speeds. i am sure if you stuck a long top gear in and took it to the salt flats it would give up 250mph.

Anyhow its not got enough power for me, so i'm not buying one!

just said id pop this bit of info in here

Aerodynamic friction or drag is proportional to the square of the speed; for example doubling speed quadruples drag. Work is a product of force applied over a distance travelled. Comparing a vehicle travelling at 160 km/h (99 mph) with one travelling at 320 km/h (200 mph), over a given time (e.g. 1 second), the faster vehicle must overcome 4 times the aerodynamic drag, and travel twice the distance of the slower one. Thus it does 8 times the work of the slower vehicle in that time

so really what this means is once you start going over 200mph you need alot more power for smaller gains ..

also gearing ..

from my experience driving a f40 to its top speed compared to an f430 with similar top speed is an altogether different experience .. mostly due to gearing .. the reason i think the f40 has such a high top speed .. to make it competive with similar top spped cars on a track the gearing would have to be adjusted and then the top spped is only about 160mph .. all you see is the f430s rear lights pulling away .. this is also gran turismo gaming experience !!

Good clear explanation of aerodynamic friction here, thanks mobo. I remember reading an account of getting V-max from the venerable F1 during which they gained over 10mph by removing the wing mirrors.

[pimpin gimp]

Monkey boy 1 said:

From their web site
[quote] The car is 100% Danish design, Denmark has always been known for its cutting edge designers and for the first time "Danish Design" has been applied to a supercar"

Oh really ? who are these world renound Danish designers ?

Never mind that... Danish design, with a load of porsche and corvette bits, is stealing counted as design?

[annodomini2]

mobosecomin said:

GingerWizard said:

Jenny Tills said:

gumsie said:

Bizzle said:

RB Will said:

Isn't 217mph a little slow for 1100bhp?

Are you being sarcastic?
Im guessing you must be, because I would imagine you already realise that power has nothing to do with top speed, it's (mostly, but with many many other considerations) to do with gearing & aerodynamics.

If you have enough power it won't matter about the gearing and aerodynamics. How many cars of any size or shape have reached 200mph with less than lets say 450BHP?

I can see your point about aerodynamics, The yank truck called shockwave for example uses 36000hp to push the brick shape to 376mph, but the gearing is important, if your cars gearbox is only geared for 100mph in top cog thats all it will do, even with 100000bhp.

Bizzel i think your as touch misguided there. It is to do with power as aero drag increases exponetially...

Of course if its geared to 100mph it will only do 100mph..

Its lower top speed is probably to do with massive downforce, or.... it's limited for safty purposes. Its hard to test cars much in excess of F1 speeds, and the energies on the ouside of the wheel rims and tyres is massive at these speeds. i am sure if you stuck a long top gear in and took it to the salt flats it would give up 250mph.

Anyhow its not got enough power for me, so i'm not buying one!

just said id pop this bit of info in here

Aerodynamic friction or drag is proportional to the square of the speed; for example doubling speed quadruples drag. Work is a product of force applied over a distance travelled. Comparing a vehicle travelling at 160 km/h (99 mph) with one travelling at 320 km/h (200 mph), over a given time (e.g. 1 second), the faster vehicle must overcome 4 times the aerodynamic drag, and travel twice the distance of the slower one. Thus it does 8 times the work of the slower vehicle in that time

so really what this means is once you start going over 200mph you need alot more power for smaller gains ..

also gearing ..

from my experience driving a f40 to its top speed compared to an f430 with similar top speed is an altogether different experience .. mostly due to gearing .. the reason i think the f40 has such a high top speed .. to make it competive with similar top spped cars on a track the gearing would have to be adjusted and then the top spped is only about 160mph .. all you see is the f430s rear lights pulling away .. this is also gran turismo gaming experience !!

217mph may also be the highest achieved speed so far, we don't know where it was tested or how, so it could've been a straight runway and they ran out of road.

Additionally on the aerodynamic front, if the surfaces of the car are generating downforce, it could be that the forces involved above these speeds are too high for the surfaces and damaging them.

Thirdly, no car is usable at those speeds anyway, so it only an exercise in Top trumps anyway.

[dinosaw]

Remind anyone of an R8 an a hint of Aston Le Mans, huh...huh

[EdT]

chazwozza said:

WAnyway the design out there is amazing, often such simple things but top drawer- B&O's main store in Copenhagen to prove a point.

Misread your post 1st pass; thought you said B&Q !

[dca]

pokethepope said:

Fetchez la vache said:

From what he was saying, he wasn't actually "selling" it very well, it has to be said.

Agreed. "Drives like a hatchback and does not have perfect handling." I realise it could still be a great car, but come on, sell it to us man!

Lost in translation. When a Dane puts it that way, he means that the car handles very very well. It doesn't translate easily to English.

Edited by dca on Thursday 30th April 17:13

Edited by dca on Thursday 30th April 17:14

[Niffty951]

Superb looking car but 1100hp? The performance figures he suggests (0-170-0 in 1 mile) and the sound/way the engine runs seems to suggest to me that these figures are a tad optimistic don’t you think? I would say in a nice 1200-1400kg car like that 600hp hp would be more than adequate to achieve these figures and would seem more realistic given the way the car seems to run? The only subtle car I can think of with 700+hp is the Veyron and that took some mind boggling money and engineering to achieve!

[Oelholm]

Monkey boy 1 said:

Oh really ? who are these world renound Danish designers ?

Georg Jensen
Henrik Fisker
Jørn Utzon
Arne Jacobsen
Royal Copenhagen Porcelain
The design philopsophy of Bang & Olufsen

?

[fastgerman.com]

Oelholm said:

Monkey boy 1 said:

Oh really ? who are these world renound Danish designers ?

Georg Jensen
Henrik Fisker
Jørn Utzon
Arne Jacobsen
Royal Copenhagen Porcelain
The design philopsophy of Bang & Olufsen

?

I'd through B&O in there for good measure. Danish design is second to none in my opinion. Shame about them having more pigs than people though :-)