RE: TVR Speed Six Design Spec Upgrade

[Belfast Boy]

Pass the cheese grater I want to scratch my scrotum.

[300bhp/ton]

Gazboy said:

300bhp/ton said:

I'm impressed, was expecting to see £20-25,000 for the engine

Have to say, if its true and works then it's not such a bad deal.

Of course you could look at a LS1 and have more HP for less work, but its not quite the same thing.

The LS series doesn't fit in between the chassis rails, especialy if you want the gear stick in the correct place.

ok. Although it must fit in some TVR's as there are guys running them.

[hahithestevieboy]

So would and LS7 engine not fit in an ex-sp6 cerb then?

I reckon melling should have copied the typhoon though. They just didnt make enough of those...my all time fav TVR

[300bhp/ton]

hahithestevieboy said:

So would and LS7 engine not fit in an ex-sp6 cerb then?

I reckon melling should have copied the typhoon though. They just didnt make enough of those...my all time fav TVR

Ls7 is basically the same engine block as any other LS engine, just has dry sump.

[666 SVT]

If my Z3M was anything to go by with it's numerous and expensive VANOS problems
then BMW is not the way to go for reliability ?

[Zippee]

Gazboy said:

hahithestevieboy said:

So would and LS7 engine not fit in an ex-sp6 cerb then?

I reckon melling should have copied the typhoon though. They just didnt make enough of those...my all time fav TVR

It fits in Cerbs but not T-series.

I thought Steve Heath was experimenting and had come up with a way of getting one into a 350/Tam?

[dkennedyvxt]

hahithestevieboy said:

So would and LS7 engine not fit in an ex-sp6 cerb then?

I reckon melling should have copied the typhoon though. They just didnt make enough of those...my all time fav TVR

You mean Typhon.....

Mrs Parker will kill you for saying Typhoon...I know from experience.

[Harry Flashman]

Thing is, given how cheap SP6 Cerbs and Tuscans are, buy a cheap but sound one, do this work and upgrade brakes and suspension and you'll still have the cheapest 500+ bhp out there. All in for about £25k.

You'll die at the first wet corner, but you'll die in style.

Sorted Cerbera and this setup would be an absolute weapon. Crude, tricky, but pure adrenaline.

[DWP]

Tvr Power said:

johnbear said:

PhantomPH said:

Podie said:

PhantomPH said:

Whilst that sounds great, nearly £11k for the full business is a LOT of money.

Agreed. Makes me wonder if TVR would have been better adding circa £8-10k per vehicle to give better reliability...

In reality, wouldn't it really only be about £3k to the cost of the vehicle?? Remove/lower the profit percentage that melling will be taken, plus the engine removal/labour costs (the engine has to be built still) and you are only talking about machining and material differences.

ETA - I was under the impression that TVR changed the design in order to avoid paying Melling rights money...or something like that.

Edited by PhantomPH on Tuesday 12th May 11:48

After speaking to many involved with TVR and former Melling staff , I was lead to understand that the design changed because the original 5 engines supplied seized after 15 mins on idle whilst on the dyno at TVR. The engine required considerable work by John Ravenscroft make the design work. Melling disputed reliability etc and this lead to court action. If you talk to many of the key figures involved with TVR engine rebuilds and who were involved at the time of the SP6 development, the story seems the same.

When i decide to retire i will write the true story and history of Tvr, any orders

Dom

I'll have a copy of the book please. Am I being naive, but as TVR is no more is there a legal problem to stop you writing the aforesaid tome now?(other than you are no doubt very busy with the day job)

[VerySideways]

You can still call a phone number and speak to someone at TVR Engineering, so i'm not sure it's accurate to say that TVR "is no more".

[Harry Flashman]

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/974755.htm

+ Melling's conversion and a bit of suspension/brake work - £22k, 550bhp monster.

You have to admit, it's tempting. You may never get the value on resale, but face it, you'd never want to sell it.

[sidewayz]

Tvr Power said:

When i decide to retire i will write the true story and history of Tvr, any orders

Dom

Oh yes!!!

[VerySideways]

Harry Flashman said:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/974755.htm

That's beautiful...

[HRG]

Harry Flashman said:

You'll die at the first wet corner, but you'll die in style.

[Gridl0k]

300bhp/ton said:

Phatbenito said:

I always wonder how one would stand with respect to insurance after getting bespoke work such as this done?

Depends on the insurance company at hand, but I can't see it being a problem. Plenty of other modified cars on the roads and a TVR is no different.

£820 for 29 yo, 3y NCB driving supercharged VR6 (Mk3 engine in Mk2 car) producing 200% original horsepower (of the engine, not the car - that's more like 250%).

Just have to find an understanding broker.

My standard, lower-powered but higher value daily driver (C43 AMG) with no NCB (bds rant bds 2 cars bds same driver bds) costs 20% more.

Edited by Gridl0k on Tuesday 12th May 17:26

[The Wookie]

Is it powered by liquid squirrel? For those in the know, liquid squirrel has an octane rating of 1000000, and can squintuple an engine's power.

[stuthemong]

HRG said:

Harry Flashman said:

You'll die at the first wet corner, but you'll die in style.

Reminds me of the tragic story of the 25yr old man from Scotland who burned himself to death after crashing his Gallardo; 29yr old bird beside him (survived luckily) crash scene surrounded by charred £100 notes.

No one wants to check-out early from this life... but if you do.... well I doubt I could imagine a finer way to go.

RIP, I hope you don't mind my drinking to you!

....and on-topic. That is some *serious* power from the s6. That is huge specific output for a NA engine - 117BHP/L!!

Edited by stuthemong on Tuesday 12th May 17:26

[Gridl0k]

stuthemong said:

surrounded by charred £100 notes.

Which bank does these? All of them? Never seen one.

[hahithestevieboy]

VerySideways said:

Harry Flashman said:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/974755.htm

That's beautiful...

Indeed, ripe for conversion/upgrade. If it was me I think that I'd want to fit a racelogic traction control with 500bhp. But what could you really do with the suspension and brakes to really bring it up to scratch. I presume ABS would be totally unrealistic?

[hahithestevieboy]

Gazboy said:

hahithestevieboy said:

So would and LS7 engine not fit in an ex-sp6 cerb then?

I reckon melling should have copied the typhoon though. They just didnt make enough of those...my all time fav TVR

It fits in Cerbs but not T-series.

Be a weapon with an LS7 in though. The sort that kills it's operator and no one else but a weapon nonetheless...